fast bow for 45 pounds

[O.L. Adcock]

LBK, Videos don't know how to measure draw length, bow weight, arrow weight, or have proper lighting for the chrono. 1 shot never counts, ten shots throwing out the high/low and any obvious hickups then avergags do! Hickups are easy to spot when a bows shoots 30% higher then physically possible. Those unfamiliar with bows wouldn't recognize that however!   ...O.L.

[twitchstick]

may be i need to check my chorno too. i use to differnt ones.i'm still new, have not shoot recurves and long bows sents mid 80 s, but if any one has set up suggestions i am all ears.i m not worried about speed,just killing and accurcy.i do use a fliper and burger in hoping to still shoot feild ranges.

[Shawn Leonard]

I do not know if anyone has posted this so here goes. The effiency of the design is what matters the #age does not. Take a bow that shoots 190 fps. at 28"s with an arrow weighing 9gpp. and draws 70#s(630 grain arrow), a bow of the same design will shoot an arrow weighing 9gpp. of draw weight at that same 190fps even if the bow is only 40#s at 28"s(360 grain arrow). See what I mean. I can say my RER 54# bow shoots 240 fps. but that arrow may only weigh 4gpp. of draw weight. Shawn

[Shawn Leonard]

I also would like to say it is goodolboy we should be needleing 205fps. with a GM even at 8gpp. and 30"s, I doubt that very much!! By the way my RER curve will shoot over 200fps. at 9gpp. with a 30" draw. That there is no mistaken. I have done the tests, my ACS would do that and a bit more as well and so will a Centaur double carbon. Shawn

[Crooked Stic]

Yep speed aint everything but it sure is fun tryin to figure out how to get more of it.  

[goodolboy94]

Im am by no means a speed demon even when i shot compounds i have always been more worried about silence and accuracy i was more blown away that a 45 pound bow was that much faster than my 64 pound long bow and i have a 29 inch draw and i must also state that this bow is my 3D and target bow and i know at 29 its more than 45# but if it is 5# heavier than marked that would but me at 53# give or take

[LONGBOWKID]

I greatly apologize for my inferior knowledge!   :rolleyes:  

I should not have even posted, as its physically impossible it ever happened, therefore I don't know what I am talking about, nor am I familiar with my bow!    

The Kid

[pseman]

Sounds like this is turning into a "my bow is better than your bow" thread.    

You can tell hunting season is over.....

[AdamH]

"SPEED" = I'll only slow down "ANY" bow .... with my "HEAVY" arrow ... And my Bows will appreciate "ME" more ... Good Luck with her ...

[cedar swampman]

My compound is one of the fastest ( and accurate) on the market- my stickbows are slow but both will kill game when the arrow is directed to the kill zone. Guys seem to think sticks are the only ones capable of shooting a heavier arrow. I take nothing away from compounds but in my opinion are no where near as fun to shoot and developing the proper skills with a stick is more satisfying at least to me. At my draw if I were going after big dangerous game I would most certainly shoot the bow that gives me the greatest performance ( a heavy arrow shot faster and accurately) and that would be the compound.100fps faster is alot more penetration.

[James Wrenn]

Without some speed you won't have the performance with those heavy arrows some like.No negatives at all to having a fast bow.The only negatives come when someone does not use them correctly and blames the bow or the speed of the bow for there own mistakes.  :D  

btw.Cedar Swampman you are dead on in your post.

[blueline]

Sounds like this is turning into a "my bow is better than your bow" thread.  

 

Yea but mine is the best!!!  

[mwmwmb]

Originally posted by O.L. Adcock:
George, They need no calibration, they're digital.

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Originally posted by George D. Stout:
I know lots of guys with fast bows who couldn't hit a bull in the rearend with a handful of gravel.
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Same guys can't shoot a slow one either. Performance and accuracy are not related...    ...O.L.

Please explain. I am an environmental scientist and work in a lab with lots of digital equipment and they all need periodic calibration.

[O.L. Adcock]

mwmwmb, Some do some don't. Even if they don't they still get verified. I worked in the aviation world with complex electronic systems in engineering capacities so I've been around my share of test equipment also. Here's what I know, I can test a bow by hand on my $100 dollar chrony, send it to a friend 100 miles away with a different brand chrono, he'll get within 1-2 fps (1%) of what I get with his $200 chrono off a machine..We can then hand the same bow to Norb Mulaney and he'll get within 1-2 fps of what we got with his 2 high dollar chrono's in line with each other. That pretty darned consistant.

All these numbers are well and good and for the average Joe, it's fun to fling a few arrows. But here is what happens...Someone as well intentioned as they may be comes up with numbers that are wrong for whatever reason, and spread them out there. Another fellow, maybe a new guy, assumes them to be gospel, checks his bow and doesn't get anywhere close. He could have the best bow in the world but now he questions it..That's not good. Us average folks can do accurate testing but first we have to know whats within the realm of reality so we can recognize when we did something wrong..Then we have to know how to measure things as simple as draw length and hold to that while shooting in a consistant manner for the numbers to mean anything to any body.

Easy way to tell if someone has done things within the realm of possibility...A really good 50# will put no more then 44-45ft/lbs into an arrow at 30" from a trad bow...We're talking the very very best bows off a machine...See a bow doing  that, the red flag needs to start inching up the pole, if it does that at a shorter draw length with fingers, the flag needs to be waved high and loud!  

The other is when someone says they are getting XX ft/lbs at xxgr/lb and xxft/lbs at a heavier gr/lb, and it's lower then the first. As arrow weight goes up, ft/lbs goes up..Period...If it doesn't, mistakes were made, period...

I'd rather folks learn how bows work and how to test accurately. It makes the good ones shine and keeps the poor ones from getting inflated false press from those that either have an agenda or just don't know any better....O.L.

[George D. Stout]

My dog's bigger cause he eats Purina.

O.L....my sly old friend, I'm recalling a post by you (which I concurred with) that you have trouble being accurate with over 170 fps..and your instinctive shooting.  I have a cap too for best accuracy....my slow mind perhaps.

At any rate, there will always be those points of diminishing returns which are as personal as they are measurable.

[O.L. Adcock]

"O.L....my sly old friend, I'm recalling a post by you (which I concurred with) that you have trouble being accurate with over 170 fps..and your instinctive shooting. I have a cap too for best accuracy....my slow mind perhaps.

At any rate, there will always be those points of diminishing returns which are as personal as they are measurable"

Yep George I agree 100%...And that has nothing to do with the bow and has everything to do with the arrow weight you/we are shooting. I'd still rather get that 170 with a 600 grain arrow instead of a 500, or have to shoot 10 more pounds....And the bow DOES do that!    ....O.L.

[reddogge]

My bows shoot an arrow much faster than I can run up and stick the arrow into the deer by hand.

[Divinecedar]

Plum Creek 68", listed as 52 lbs @ 28" but haven't actually put it on scale.

I shot ASA with it and my 450 gr. target arrows were running 205 FPS from a couple of feet.

Oh, did I mention it shoots 25 yard groups like this?