build my arrow. Will AD Hammerhead work?

elkbreath · February 09, 2009, 01:16:00 PM

I recently purchased a caribow recurve (pending my payment, thank you dave).
Its a 58", 67# @ 28". I draw 29.

This should but the bow in the 70# range for my draw. I am trying to figure what Arrows to shoot through it. I will be shooting carbon in all likelihood. I have never shot them, but I was thinkin Arrow dynamic traditionals because of their huge range of spine. Upon further review though, they are spined up to 70#, and I would prefer to shoot EFOC, putting them out of my spine range.

What arrow would ya'll build fro me. Any shaft, any head combination? Full metal Jackets, AD, Gold tips???

Design my arrow/ Heavy, EFOC. Thanks tenbow for the idea,

Dan

DCM · February 09, 2009, 02:38:00 PM

I shoot AD trads from 56# @ 30", drawn 30". I've shot the heck out of the bow, and those arrows and many, many other arrows from 2219 (95#) to 70# woodies for 5 or 6 years I reckon. My bow wants about 85#, and AD Trads w/ 175 grain points (125 grain glue on w/ a long aluminum converter, 37 grains) shoot excellent. And I mean excellent as in better than any other arrow I've tried, mostly I think because the aggressive nock end taper is more forgiving of my crappy form. My second favorite is 85# wood. I don't know about other "skinny" carbons, except that I tried 2 or 3 brands years ago and never could get 'em to fly right for me, or get the total weight up to my preferences w/out huge headache and hassle factor. Other than price, I could not want for a better choice than AD Trads. With the tapered design and 175 grain points I'd expect fairly generous FOC, but I haven't measured it. Don't know what exactly E-FOC is, but I ain't really into that particular hype, at least not at this time.

If not the ADs, I'd go to 2020s and 125 points, or 80-85# wood w/ 125 to 145 points. Again, not into huge FOC personally. With the cast we make with these setups, I just don't see penetration being a problem, unless for moose or brown bear perhaps. And I'd rather have the tiny bit more trajectory anyway. Perhaps I'm mischaracterizing whatever E FOC is.

Danny Rowan · February 09, 2009, 07:48:00 PM

The AD Trad Heavies or CT Rhinos chould work great out of your bow with 100 gr inserts and 200 gr point with the arrow at 29 3/4".

Danny

elkbreath · February 10, 2009, 01:29:00 AM

I don't see a "heavy" listed anywhere. Just a trad and trad lite?

If there is a Heavy version, where can I find it? I should asked Badgerarrow...

thanks for the help guys!

I am planning on using the brass insert with an oak taper IF from OL's latest post, hoping to use AD to make it happen.

elkbreath · February 10, 2009, 01:47:00 AM

Just read about the hammerheads for the first time. I'll look into them.

Anybody have some that'd share a relevant experience?

Ted Fry · February 10, 2009, 12:14:00 PM

There are no Trad heavies , only Traditional lite ,and traditional . Also the Hammer head and soon to be parallel wood grain , Raptor Signature, both are made exclusive for Raptor Archery.
The idea behind the Hammer Head is that you dont have to use the brass up front in order to achieve a 550-660 grain arrow at 29". You can use the brass depending on all the choices of heads and inserts, arrow length , well you get the point.
I would recomend the Traditional or Hammer head depending on how you want to get to the weight you want several, choices same outcome.
Happy to answer any questions via phone 541-386-4503

frassettor · February 10, 2009, 12:48:00 PM

I shoot the traditionals cut to 30" with a 260 gr up and a 100 gr brass insert in the arrow...Thats 360 up front. Total arrow weight 710 gr! I shoot this out of a 58lb BW longbow

elkbreath · February 10, 2009, 02:08:00 PM

looking for around 750+- gr total arrow weight. appreciate all the input. I'm thinkin hammerhead.

I'll give you a call when I get a chance Ted. Thanks

Shoot straight ya'll! Dan

Greg Owen · February 10, 2009, 03:26:00 PM

I think I need to eat more wheaties iffn that elkbreath is drawin 70#. Look at that avatar, he must be eating right.

Paul Mattson · February 10, 2009, 04:50:00 PM

Dan,
Here are some bare shaft wts.
All are the AD Wood grain.

Traditional Lites 317 grns
Traditional 343 grns
Hammer Head 383 grns

You can get to your desired wt very easily with a 100 grn brass insert.

Ted Fry · February 10, 2009, 09:03:00 PM

Sorry Badger but the Hammer Head is 415 give or take 5 grains

Paul Mattson · February 10, 2009, 09:28:00 PM

Thank's Ted, I only had a sample shaft.

amar911 · February 10, 2009, 10:12:00 PM

Ted,

Al Kidner told me he had a problem with the outside diameter of the Hammerheads being bigger that the flange diameter of the front inserts and bigger than the outside diameter of the broadhead ferrule. What have you come up with to deal with the adverse issues that such a design creates, like diminishing penetration, exposing the front of the arrow shaft to damage, etc? The idea of having that extra weight up front is a good one, but it seems like the adverse consequences of the design might "out-weigh" (pun intended) the advantages.

Allan

Ted Fry · February 11, 2009, 07:32:00 PM

amar911, Yes that is an issue to think about , we have been beveling the front edge of the shaft for this issue rather than producing a new insert for the very small amount of difference. We feel this is plenty to rectify the situation. This will not be a shaft durability or penetration issue.
Also if you use this with a broadhead the ferrule covers that area we are discussing.

amar911 · February 11, 2009, 10:02:00 PM

Ted,

Thanks for the information. What do you use to bevel the front of the shaft? Emery cloth? Does it leave exposed fiber ends? Should I use some super glue or epoxy to seal the fibers at the ends? What taper angle do you use?

Most of my broadheads have a ferrule diameter that is the same as that of my front shaft inserts. Are you using a broadhead with a larger ferrule diameter, and if so, what broadhead?

Sorry to be a pain in the rear with all these questions, but I am looking for the right arrow for cape buffalo and want lots of weight concentrated up front.

Thanks,
Allan

MikeW · February 11, 2009, 10:17:00 PM

I shot some Hammerheads I got from Ted. I never could get them to bare shaft for me but they shot great fletched(5")with just about any weight I tried upfront which was 125 grains to 350 grains.
Very versatile shaft and they seem to be very tuff. I've hit rocks and brick walls with them with no ill effects.

This is with a 54# bow @ 28" arrows cut 29.5"

amar911 · February 11, 2009, 10:56:00 PM

Mike,

Did you have any problems with the outside diameter of the front of the shaft being too big? Did you (or Ted) taper them? Did you use aluminum or brass inserts? Any other issues you encountered? I will be shooting them at 31" and plan to use 100 gr brass inserts and 300 gr Ashby broadheads from Alaska Bowhunters Supply. I expect to be using about a 70#@29 1/2" draw bow and I want the arrows to be something heavier than 800 gr. Even that setup will probably be marginal for cape buffalo. What do you think that arrow setup will shoot out of my bow? Ted, if you have any thoughts, I would love to hear from you too.

Thanks,
Allan

amar911 · February 11, 2009, 10:58:00 PM

I meant to ask "what do you think that arrow setup will shoot LIKE out of my bow?"

Allan

MikeW · February 12, 2009, 07:46:00 AM

QuoteDid you have any problems with the outside diameter of the front of the shaft being too big?

No...it is very minimal. I don't see it as a real issue. I'm no expert but yes I would think those would shoot fine from your bow. Call Ted he is very helpful and knows what he is talking about.