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Identify these oaks?

Started by Apex Predator, August 20, 2009, 07:58:00 AM

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Apex Predator

These are shrubs, but some species of oak.  They are only knee high, but loaded with acorns.  What can you folks tell me about them?  Good mast for deer?  They look like they will mature and drop before all others on the property I'm hunting.  I'm in SE Ga.





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OkKeith

Apex,

Looks like you may actually have several different species going on there. Just a quick turn through my Trees of SE US, I can see how the second photo could be a Laurel Oak. These get pretty good size but will make acorns in their second year. First photo looks like something in the neighborhood of a Sand Live Oak, maybe a Myrtle Oak.

Based on the ecoregion of these particular trees, I would say that this area is moderatly coastal with regions of poorly drained soil, but this site is a lot sandier than others around it so remains a little drier.

Good looking area.

OkKeith
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Richie Nell

Sand live Oak in first photo and Willow or Laurel Oak in second.  These trees are probably fairly young sprouts from older root systems.  It apppears a pretty hot fire knocked back the hardwood species in the recent past.
Richie Nell

Black Widow
PSA X Osage/Kingwood 71#@31

Apex Predator

Thanks guys!  Yes these are two different species.  This area gets burned routinely, as part of the land management strategy.
I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables!

newtradgreenwood

Possible myrtle & willow oak, by leaves.  The acorns on one of them look like overcup oak, but the leaves do not match.  Sprouts and shaded seedling/saplings sometimes have different leaf shapes than mature trees.

Upland or bottomland area ?  SE, what state and what part of the state ?

The Audubon Society Field Guide to North america Trees is a suggested user friendly reference.  Or the Peterson Field Guides for eastern trees.  

Cut a branch or two off of each and take down to your local state dept. of conservation, or Natural Resource Conservation Service office.

Apex Predator

Bottom land bordering a cyprus swamp in SE Georgia.
I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables!

newtradgreenwood

Based on geographic location I retract willow oak & go with live oak.

Killdeer

Acorns look too big for willow oak.
So many oaks, so little time!

Killdeer
Long, long afterward, in an oak I found the arrow, still unbroke;
And the song, from beginning to end, I found again in the heart of a friend.

~Longfellow

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geno

QuoteOriginally posted by Killdeer:
Acorns look too big for willow oak.
So many oaks, so little time!

Killdeer
:knothead:    :biglaugh:
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Dax

I'd say water oak on the top one...as for the bottom one, perhaps a live oak...not for sure.

Richie Nell

The top tree has the revolute edges, leathery  textured leaves and the acorns are on stems.  That would rule out water oak.  I think it is either a sand live oak or live oak.
In the bottom photo...the only two oak trees I know with the significantly long and narrow leaves is the willow oak and the running oak.
I think it is the running oak.  It only grows low to the ground running along sprouting from roots.  It is also found amongst the live and sand live oak species.  
Several different oak species will have narrow leaves when young but they won't have fruit at the same time.  So that narrow leaf is the typical shape for that species.
Sorry to bore you.
Richie Nell

Black Widow
PSA X Osage/Kingwood 71#@31

Kingwouldbe

There HUNT'UM oaks for sure, I just checked the book.   :goldtooth:    lol

DC

Are you near salt water? The first picture appears to be myrtle oak and the second  could be chapman oak which is usually encountered as a large, bushy shrub and it resembles certain of the willow oaks.

Paul Mattson

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Apex Predator

On another board they have been identified as bluejack oak and willow oak.  Beats me!  I'll let you know if the deer hit them.
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Richie Nell

The long peduncles or stems the acorns are on make it definetly not blue jack.  The cup is too deep on the bottom photo to be willow oak. Willow cups are flat like saucers.  It may actually be an Olgelthorpe Oak which is in GA although I have never seen one to know.
Richie Nell

Black Widow
PSA X Osage/Kingwood 71#@31

Dax

Richie...not a bore, good info.  This is an interesting thread.  I like Kingwouldbe's post, lol.  Killdeer's too.

Liquid Amber

I'd guess sand live oak and laurel oak.  These, along with myrtle oak and Chapman's oak are the typical scrub oak communities in that part of the country.

Neither is Oglethorpe oak.

Richie Nell

I believe Laurel Oak would have a much shallower cup than the bottom photo.  Good to know it is not Oglethorpe Oak.  Now I know what it does not look like.
Richie Nell

Black Widow
PSA X Osage/Kingwood 71#@31


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