Usually I am a Zwickey Delta user. With some kills using a long narrow Grizzly single bevel. I never noticed a difference in blood trails between the two. Or penetration. Both go completely through. I used the Deltas because common sense would tell you it's wider, more blood. I have had weak and great blood trails with both.
 I shot a buck using  the wide Tree Sharks this year. I had always wanted to try them. A single experience is not a scientific test, but I was really impressed with the blood trail and silent, easy penetration. Except for a spine hit or two, this was the shortest, fastest blood trail I ever had. It fell over in 25 yards and about 2 seconds. The buck was really played out and beat up from fighting when I shot it, but still. I will be "testing" Tree Sharks from now on! Matter of fact, I need to put them on my Christmas list right now.

I did have a VPA 3 blade in the quiver for windy days. The Treee Shark is vary wide.

 
Also, I dropped poundage this year from 60 to 51. But that thing went through effortlessly. I have used a compound at times on trips and I notice there is a benefit to a friction free slice when it comes to how far a deer runs. The smack of expandables makes them run. I shake my head at those tv shows where the buck runs wide open, out of sight across a huge cornfield. I bet most of us never have deer fun that far with a good hit.

Tedd

That seems heavy enough to me.....make sure you are tuned right. You might be losing energy because the arrow isn't flying as straight as it could be (regardless of what some might say, no arrow flies perfect)

I ordered a Kangaroo Krossover glove from American Leathers because of this thread. 

I spoke with the SUPER kind lady (I wish I could remember her name) and she said she had some super thin kangaroo left over from something else. She sewed up the glove for me with that....I just got notification that it shipped, full report soon.

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Quote from: Roger Norris on November 24, 2025, 05:01:24 PMIn case it hasn't been said.....I don't think it is the single bevel that is the flaw. It's the 3:1 ratio

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Long and narrow, creating a small hole.

I can't imagine how single bevel vs double could change the cut. I have killed LOTS of deer with 2 blade heads. But the ones that made great blood trails were WIDE....like the old Magnus heads. We used to call them "Flying Hatchets". And the Ace 200 grain head....it is 1 7/16 wide. I have a picture somewhere that LaClair took of the hole they made in a rib cage. Huge.

I think it was Howard Hill that started the 3:1 ratio concept. It certainly works for penetration, but the holes are too small.

I use Barbee nylon tabs for hunting and American Leathers Big Shot and Kangaroo for extended target or 3-D shooting.
 

Quote from: Roger Norris on November 24, 2025, 05:01:24 PMIn case it hasn't been said.....I don't think it is the single bevel that is the flaw. It's the 3:1 ratio

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Its been a while, but I think it was originally designed to be used at ground level, not as a saddle. I think they used to have a Youtube video of it. Sorry Im not more help, I dont have mine anymore.

In case it hasn't been said.....I don't think it is the single bevel that is the flaw. It's the 3:1 ratio

Nice deer, first of many!!

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