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Quote from: Terry Green on November 21, 2025, 11:01:10 AMOnski, it sounds like you haven't tried many bows at sixty inches. You're missing the whole design revelation. The late Ron KaClaur would debunk you in two seconds. I also debunk you. You have either shot and poorly designed bows at sixty inches, or you haven't tried enough bows, while the other.

I'm glad you admit you have found one.But there are many others that would fit.You also. Old wives' tales are just that, wives tales, don't believe all of them.

I admittedly do not keep up with bow designs.  I'd like to hear more on the design revelation and some idea of what to look for.  I'd love to shoot shorter bows than I'm currently shooting but I've always been told it was a bad idea and I've just stick with it.

Don't let other people's opinions keep you from discovering the amazing innovations in bow design. If you're at all interested in shooting shorter bows, do yourself a favor and research bows like the Javaman Elkheart, Big Jim's Thunderchild, Toelke Pika, Shrew Classic Hunter, and the Centaur Longbow. All of these bows come in various lengths to accommodate longer than average draw lengths, while still qualifying as short bows. They are unequaled in hunting situations, and don't let anyone tell you that they aren't as accurate as longer bows ... it's simply not true.

Congrats on the success and the good eating!

Thanks for posting the great pics and recap.


 

Quote from: Terry Green on November 21, 2025, 11:01:10 AMOnski, it sounds like you haven't tried many bows at sixty inches. You're missing the whole design revelation. The late Ron KaClaur would debunk you in two seconds. I also debunk you. You have either shot and poorly designed bows at sixty inches, or you haven't tried enough bows, while the other.

I'm glad you admit you have found one.But there are many others that would fit.You also. Old wives' tales are just that, wives tales, don't believe all of them.

I admittedly do not keep up with bow designs.  I'd like to hear more on the design revelation and some idea of what to look for.  I'd love to shoot shorter bows than I'm currently shooting but I've always been told it was a bad idea and I've just stick with it.

It was about 1976 when Lamont Granger and I took a trip to Iowa to meet Louie and order a couple of bows. He was busy making bows then.

This is a good thread as I'm a 'work in process' trying to work through the issues of shooting a lighter bow than in the past. I've always worked with a mindset that 500 grains is light and 600 grains is heavy...and tried to find a middle ground in all of that.

The 47lb @ 27" Black Widow bow that I'm shooting now requires a carbon 'in between arrow'...meaning it weight tunes well with a 465 grain arrow in a 500 spine; and a 635 grain arrow in a 400 spine; neither of which hits my historical sweet spot.

I'm shooting 2018's this year and I get a  great tune at 528 grains. The aluminum shaft works well with a rather low (160 grain up front counting all hardware) FOC. It has had me thinking all deer season would a 465 grain carbon arrow with a little higher FOC work as good or better; despite the lower overall arrow weight?

This relates to the OP question in that I'm rethinking the old norms of required arrow weights...and even EFOC. I suspect the bow weight and arrow weight thresholds may be far lower than I have always thought...especially with two blade broadheads.  The OP's 400 grain arrow seems way too light but as I just mentioned in the previous sentence, I'm opening up to new ideas.

If it works....well it works. I'm following this thread.

    

    

Hmmm.  You killed the does.  So what if you didn't get pass throughs.  That's more a function of where the arrow hits/travels in the deer.  I've hit the offside shoulder/leg bone with equipment heavier than you're shooting. The arrow lodges in the offside shoulder and doesn't pass through. Still a dead critter in short order. In short.  What you have works.  Why mess with it? 

Way to go sir! That should be some mighty fine eating!  Thanks for posting it up.  

"Experimental".  Sounds about right...VPA makes them down to 13" but I don't even like a metal riser below 50 degrees.  Actionwood ones on Amazon for roughly $100 without side adjustments(hmmm).  Might have to buy one and sell for cheap if it doesn't work out.  Probably would need to do some string groove or tiller adjust for centerline.