Post by: Roy from Pa on January 02, 2020, 06:51:06 AM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on January 03, 2020, 09:45:17 AM
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Post by: Flem on January 04, 2020, 10:45:26 AM
Hope your not in danger down there. I feel for you folks. I know the feeling of dread that comes with fire season.
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Post by: Pat B on January 05, 2020, 12:25:58 PM
Good idea keeping all the needed equipment together in one unit. Adding rollers to the bottom will make it easy to move it to out of the way when not needed.
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Post by: Flem on January 05, 2020, 04:18:26 PM
My control box cord is long enough, I can jack it back up to the ceiling :thumbsup:
Damn thing takes up a lot of floor space in a small shop.
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Post by: Buemaker on January 06, 2020, 04:44:26 PM
Nice hot box. Is it okay to have such a fan inside the box, gets pretty hot in there?
Post by: Dannon on January 06, 2020, 07:43:55 PM
Post by: monterey on January 06, 2020, 11:21:20 PM
Scored a nice one man lean to ladder stand for $35. It’s 14’ tall. Who all hunts out of ladder stands, and do you have any issues getting picked off by deer? I’ve already got it set up in the yard and shooting out of it. Best $35 I’ve spent!
Np picture. Probably a made up story!
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Post by: Dannon on January 07, 2020, 07:22:11 AM
:biglaugh: I figured if you’ve seen one you’ve seen them all. But I’ll get you a picture this afternoon!Scored a nice one man lean to ladder stand for $35. It’s 14’ tall. Who all hunts out of ladder stands, and do you have any issues getting picked off by deer? I’ve already got it set up in the yard and shooting out of it. Best $35 I’ve spent!
Np picture. Probably a made up story!
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Post by: ztontonz on January 07, 2020, 11:36:11 AM
It’s 17” long. Next step is to shape the templates.
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Post by: monterey on January 08, 2020, 05:59:28 AM
Here ya go monterey.
That's nifty. I don't climb up trees anymore but that could be an option in some areas that require tree stands.
Post by: Mad Max on January 08, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
I hunted at 25' up.
Post by: Mad Max on January 08, 2020, 09:11:27 AM
Entree: mater gravy with onions
Sides: CWD (Chicken fried) deer Steaks, Biscuits, mashed taters, black-eyed peas.
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 08, 2020, 10:48:44 AM
Post by: Mad Max on January 08, 2020, 11:20:37 AM
Post by: monterey on January 08, 2020, 12:00:35 PM
Last time I fell out of a treestand it was eight feet and that seemed high enough.
Working on a place in the basement to do bow lay ups so I can do more building during cold weather.
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Post by: Mad Max on January 08, 2020, 05:50:13 PM
I try to get a CWD deer every year but they always test out negative. Any tips? :)
Last time I fell out of a treestand it was eight feet and that seemed high enough.
Working on a place in the basement to do bow lay ups so I can do more building during cold weather.
we had a few test + on CWD last year, looks like more this year.
Nice stic
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 08, 2020, 09:19:05 PM
Post by: kennym on January 09, 2020, 07:41:48 AM
I supposedly worked my last day for the 2019 construction season. Now have a few days off and I'm ready!!
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 09, 2020, 03:01:50 PM
. way too bad even for a dynamic adjustment :banghead: So I saved the riser part for a pattern. Will be making a new jig soon
Post by: ztontonz on January 09, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
How thick was your jig? It looks pretty decent on the picture
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 09, 2020, 03:37:33 PM
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Post by: Bvas on January 09, 2020, 06:38:46 PM
Couldn’t you just strip the wrap off and try again??
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 09, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
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Post by: flyonline on January 11, 2020, 04:20:15 PM
Well got some bad news guys.....
Dang, that sucks! Hope you can get it sorted!!
Finally managed to get home after 8 days or so away. We left last week due to extreme fire weather and have been between a friends house and parents house as weather and danger threatened. We returned one day only to get another emergency warning so packed the car (1/2hr after unpacking) and buggered off again. I would have headed bush yesterday for a few hours, but figured it wasn't very responsible being somewhere out of contact and if a fire started I would have been in serious trouble so went fishing instead. Plus, I cached my hunting bow at work in case the worst happened at home.
It was thicker than this at one stage, and those trees down the back fence are 70m/200' away :o
Steve
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Post by: monterey on January 12, 2020, 12:37:13 PM
Hmmm what if a guy had a whole lot of that and cast it in clear resin for a riser block ?
Interesting outside the box thought.
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Post by: ztontonz on January 13, 2020, 04:17:10 PM
Made a couple strings. While doing this, I was trying to find a way to easily cut the added material for the loops. And ended up just adding an extra nail on the right end. Pretty easy, I should have thought about this before :knothead:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on January 14, 2020, 03:37:11 PM
Ah cough cough, ah well umm, I dunno:)
Yer gonna shoot the windows out Flem:)
Worked on bows Sunday, have a new guy making his very first bow.
Meet Jeremy..
Jerry laying out a z splice and Jeremy's bow material laying there also.
Osage belly and red elm core lam.
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Post by: monterey on January 23, 2020, 10:47:20 PM
Finally put a Timberwolf blade on my bandsaw today. The difference is so drastic I'm kicking myself for waiting so long. Time to cut some risers!
I've had one hanging on the wall for a couple months now. Really need get it set up.
At least once a day I pick up a recurve form template that I made months ago. Pick it up, look at it, touch it here and there with a sanding block and try to convince myself it's good to go.
Post by: EvilDogBeast on January 24, 2020, 12:23:31 AM
As for that form, toss something on there and see how it comes out! I swear the longer I run my hand across the form the more invisible bumps appear...
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Post by: ztontonz on January 24, 2020, 11:53:38 AM
So now I am wondering if it was a good idea ???
Will see tonight
Post by: kennym on January 24, 2020, 11:59:22 AM
Mike, it doesn’t mix very well and I may go 2/3 acetone next time so it’s thinner.
Post by: ztontonz on January 24, 2020, 12:42:10 PM
I should know tonight then.
Do you usually wipe it on or spray it ?
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Post by: Crooked Stic on January 25, 2020, 07:32:26 AM
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Post by: mtblucas on January 25, 2020, 02:11:11 PM
Another nice mess.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200125/da39ad12d10f18ac8bb8357044b9e9c3.jpg)
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What are you adding to that resin to make it black?
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 25, 2020, 02:36:40 PM
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Post by: flyonline on January 25, 2020, 11:42:00 PM
That black is a couple of drops of left over Aluminite dye used for stabilizing. Jim sells some powder he uses to dye his resin. I have used leather dye even a couple of drops of Rit will work.It dont take much.
Have you had issues with structural integrity of the resin using non-resin specific dyes? I tried casting resin lures with pigments and ran into issues using other dyes.
Roughed out an osage stave that I've had sitting around for a while. It's well aged even before I got it so it's completely moisture stable, though it does have quite a few cracks in the back at the moment. Whether I can get below/around them and still have enough wood to work with only time (and skill or lack thereof) will tell. I'll have to steam it to get the tips into something like alignment so I may have go at doing a full recurve at the same time. A possibly interesting side note is that our borers here don't seem to attack the heartwood, though they will make mince meat of the sapwood.
Also managed to sneak a couple of lengths of some local bloodwood (accacia species) for a try as a selfbow from some roadside vegetation clearing. I've heard goodish things of it, so hopefully something will come out. Has much lighter sapwood and dark heartwoos much like osage. One should be good for a couple of staves, but the other will probably be only good for a sapling type bow.
Finally got my A into G and cleared up my workbench. I had to stop only because I was worried about the garbage truck not being able to lift the bin :laughing:
Steve
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 26, 2020, 06:47:23 AM
Post by: Flem on January 26, 2020, 10:53:31 AM
No problems.
Post by: ztontonz on January 26, 2020, 11:07:42 AM
This is the stuff I got from a local hobby shop. Just a little thinner than auto resin.
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Are using it as wood filler or for your TD sleeve?
Post by: Pat B on January 26, 2020, 12:06:17 PM
On the other staves, seeing the deep checks in the end of the stave and the discoloration I'm wondering just how sound they are. It may not be an issue in Oz but here in the US, especially in the Eastern half any wood that has been on the ground that long would, IMO be worthless as a viable bow wood.
I don't know how close you are to the fires and I hope you are not close and are safe, fire killed/hardened wood could be an option for viable bow wood if you have access to it.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 26, 2020, 12:58:22 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 26, 2020, 01:06:05 PM
Got it glued up about 11 AM.
The deer came to visit too:)
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Post by: flyonline on January 27, 2020, 01:27:04 AM
You can mix a variety of pigments into epoxy without issue. But you have to be careful of the amount added and the carrier the pigment is dispersed in. It's recommended to not exceed 3% of the total resin weight. I have used UTC's, powdered earth pigments, Transtint dyes and specific colorants for epoxy.
No problems.
Steve the Aluminite dye is used for casting and stabilizing. It takes such a small amount to. I have had no troubles so far.
There you go, I must have gone over some magic number to have issues!
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Looking at the checks in your stave they don't seen to run off the edge of the stave so they shouldn't be a problem, only a cosmetic situation. Fill them with super glue and continue on. Reduce the stave to floor tiller stage then do your heat corrections first before adding the super glue.I don't think trying to make all the heat corrections and recurving at one time is a good idea. I would first get the stave as straight as you want it then add the recurves so they line up with the bow. Also, it's obvious that the stave is seasoned but is it dry enough to build a bow. I know Australia is in a drought but depending on where in Oz you are it may not be bow building dry. What is the R/H there?
Pat
That check I went through was what looked the deepest/worst and I only took half a dozen rings off, so I should be good to get below it. I did think about leaving the worst in, but they'd be full of dirt and gunk, so I don't know how well the CA would hold up. It had been down so long the sapwood and bark had completely rotted off. RH? Dunno, but it won't be high - the osage has been stored inside in relatively stable temps/RH for a few years now.
That was the plan with steaming, get it straight first then worry about putting in some bend at the tips. So far it looks like I'll be bending in different places to straighten and recurve the tips so hopefully not re-heating the same area!
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On the other staves, seeing the deep checks in the end of the stave and the discoloration I'm wondering just how sound they are. It may not be an issue in Oz but here in the US, especially in the Eastern half any wood that has been on the ground that long would, IMO be worthless as a viable bow wood.
I don't know how close you are to the fires and I hope you are not close and are safe, fire killed/hardened wood could be an option for viable bow wood if you have access to it.
Those staves have been down for a matter of a week or two as I drove past them every day on my way to work, the mid-trunk cut I made is sound so I suspect I just need to lop a bit off the original cut and seal well.
As for fires, we're within site (maybe 15km/10 miles?) of the fire front. We had a months worth of rain last week so they've been knocked on the head for the moment but we still have 6 weeks of possible 40C/100F plus days so it will be going until the depths of winter. As for standing timber, I'm aware of only one species that is truly viable locally and it grows in the wetter gullies so may have escaped. Plus, some bloke going around knocking over trees in a national park will no doubt be frowned upon :biglaugh: I do have my eye open for any that end up coming down though.....
Post by: 4 point on January 27, 2020, 11:29:02 PM
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Post by: flyonline on January 28, 2020, 02:16:56 AM
Glued up a bow with some apple veneers. Aired it up really slow, 10 pounds at a time because I worried they might split but the they still did. Oh well, minor cosmetic flaw.
Ohh, nice! Sometimes clean and simple is more beautiful.
Post by: Crooked Stic on January 28, 2020, 08:25:41 AM
Glued up a bow with some apple veneers. Aired it up really slow, 10 pounds at a time because I worried they might split but the they still did. Oh well, minor cosmetic flaw.
Did you use a pressure strip on the glueup? To me those topless forms need a really good pressure strip.
Post by: Flem on January 28, 2020, 09:05:12 AM
Post by: kennym on January 28, 2020, 09:17:09 AM
That bow looks to have a pretty good hook on it!! Bet she will be quick!!
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Thats got to feel good and be a relief! :thumbsup:
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Post by: Flem on February 02, 2020, 12:46:22 PM
Got the bow laid up and on cure. Used a 2" foam roller to apply the adhesive and it worked out much better than my previous method.
Looks like a prop from the "Mummy" :biglaugh:
Post by: John Scifres on February 02, 2020, 05:45:47 PM
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 02, 2020, 06:18:01 PM
Looks like a prop from the "Mummy" :biglaugh:
Hopefully there isn't a dead thing inside :pray:
Ritchie, thanks for the kind words. Wouldn't have that thing on the bench right now without your inspiration :thumbsup:
Post by: kennym on February 02, 2020, 07:43:51 PM
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Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 02, 2020, 09:51:11 PM
Dug through the osage pile in the attic today and came up with 4 pieces in various stages of completion. I vow to finish at least these 4 this year. Been a couple years since I ade anything at all. Looking forward to it.
Can't wait to see what you have in store John. Pictures?
Post by: Flem on February 03, 2020, 01:39:31 PM
Well we are off the form and unwrapped! Bond lines look to be the best I've ever made and zero springback after release. Will post pictures once I can clean it up on Tuesday.
You tease :goldtooth:
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Post by: Flem on February 03, 2020, 11:45:21 PM
Speaking of character, that tiger Maple is beautiful :thumbsup:
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Post by: Mad Max on February 04, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Travis thats a sweet looking bow love the profile on your one peace curve , chris your bow is not far away from finish glad to see you getting the time for bow work 👍🏻
That is a sweet looking Recurve all around :clapper:
Chris that quilted Maple is going to be gorgeous, cant wait to see it finished.
Post by: Mad Max on February 04, 2020, 10:59:43 AM
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Dave.
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Post by: Mad Max on February 04, 2020, 08:48:10 PM
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 04, 2020, 09:14:48 PM
In other news, I added a new level to "scariest thing I have ever done to a bow" today by tapering the limbs with a table saw :biglaugh:
Post by: ztontonz on February 05, 2020, 12:28:21 PM
Got to do some more sanding before final coat.
Part of the learning curve I guess !
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Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 05, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
Filing nocks so I can get 'er strung and see what I'm dealing with.
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Post by: Bvas on February 05, 2020, 04:58:19 PM
I took Zwickey for shots
Whiskey or tequila? :saywhat:
Post by: kennym on February 05, 2020, 05:01:09 PM
Post by: Mad Max on February 05, 2020, 05:43:46 PM
How many core Lams do you have in there? :scared:
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Post by: kennym on February 05, 2020, 05:59:18 PM
A lot lol. 4 core + 2 veneer. I like to experiment?
No springback !
Post by: Mark R on February 05, 2020, 06:11:16 PM
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 05, 2020, 06:31:34 PM
Initial results:
- 0.360" with Bearpaw clear makes 57.83# @ 28" on the new form (preliminary, expect 62-ish at full brace)
- 0.360" on old form (1" deflex and 1" reflex less than new) put out 63# @ 28" full brace with Gordons clear
- 6 lams between the glass is good for no springback, but in reality that only saved me 1/32" so it's not really worth the added layup effort
More to come once that string arrives.
Post by: Forwardhandle on February 05, 2020, 06:51:23 PM
Post by: Flem on February 05, 2020, 07:57:40 PM
Chris, you should get yourself a roll of B-50. You could have a string made up in minutes.
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Post by: Mad Max on February 05, 2020, 08:20:55 PM
A lot lol. 4 core + 2 veneer. I like to experiment?
I made one with 3 cores + 2 veneers
Post by: monterey on February 05, 2020, 09:31:52 PM
Had one before the move, but that seems to be MIA as well unfortunately. I suppose it's time to start tearing apart the storage room...
Some braid fishing line will work in a pinch.
Post by: ztontonz on February 06, 2020, 12:24:37 AM
If that is Tbird I let cur 4-5 days before you sand it I have had it ball up any sooner.
It’s not Tbird but I did wait 48h before sanding LIGHTLY. Had to lear it the hard way too.
I put 2 new coats on tonight.
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Post by: ztontonz on February 07, 2020, 11:06:45 AM
So what did you end up doing with the chipped fade??
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Post by: Bvas on February 07, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 07, 2020, 11:56:25 PM
After looking at this picture again, I think I'm making a new form when this build is done. I feel the need to build something unique. I don't know if that makes sense...
Post by: Forwardhandle on February 08, 2020, 08:43:40 AM
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Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 08, 2020, 04:39:42 PM
The Tapatalk sign is not up on the TG page. Before I could see it on the iPad, but lately only on the iPhone. Is there no other way to post pics?
You can post pictures directly through the website as long as they aren't over a certain size, although I'm not sure what the limit is (1-2 MB?). Here are the steps:
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Post by: kennym on February 08, 2020, 04:47:41 PM
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Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 08, 2020, 04:56:29 PM
I'm curious what you don't like about the design Chris ? Im like you I always try new designs it's not like I need a new bow just like to keep advancing skills !
Oh don't get me wrong, I love the design! Just want to try my hand at making something that's a product of my own imagination.
Kenny, of course! Credit to an old post Roy put up from when the new site went live.
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Thanks you guys!!
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Post by: Roy from Pa on February 09, 2020, 07:11:44 AM
But no one listens:)
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 09, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
I know you can post a link out of Google photos here I think. can you pull photos out of Google to Imgur. Cause I take my pics with the phone and they got to Google then you can post them right on Tapatalk (when it works.) :dunno:
Post by: kennym on February 09, 2020, 08:42:46 AM
I sent that last one direct from fone after changing some settings but it won’t send pics taken previously.
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I’m still trying to get this pic thing straight from my fone ...
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Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 10, 2020, 01:08:38 AM
Chasing kids and rings.
That's a good day right there. Get 'em started early!
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 10, 2020, 07:42:09 AM
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Post by: ztontonz on February 10, 2020, 12:36:05 PM
Looks pretty thick, what’s the target weight?
Post by: ztontonz on February 10, 2020, 12:37:36 PM
Post by: Buemaker on February 10, 2020, 12:45:58 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 10, 2020, 12:58:27 PM
Post by: ztontonz on February 10, 2020, 02:01:42 PM
Makin those jig thingys makes you want to pull your hair out till you get them right. :bigsmyl:
You are right and I keep my fingers crossed and hope that it fits just right when I glue the first riser together.
But actually it wasn’t too bad getting this set done. I made both forms by hand, used a ¼ router bit to shape the counter-forms. Then reshaped the counter-forms on my oscillating sander which has a 1/8 offset. So theoretically I am left with a 1/8 gap for the accent strips.
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 10, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
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Post by: Flem on February 10, 2020, 10:33:02 PM
Post by: Petrichor on February 10, 2020, 10:38:34 PM
Looks like fun :thumbsup: You making bows for the kids too?
I definitely hope to. Right now I will settle for a working bow period. And then hopefully I will make them bows also.
Post by: bucknut on February 12, 2020, 06:45:23 PM
Post by: Eric Krewson on February 13, 2020, 10:21:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/hPatl4J.jpg)
Post by: Flem on February 13, 2020, 11:08:34 AM
Did you bore the barrel yourself? Is there anything you don't do? :bigsmyl:
Post by: kennym on February 13, 2020, 01:20:22 PM
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Post by: kennym on February 13, 2020, 02:45:08 PM
Post by: Eric Krewson on February 13, 2020, 03:39:37 PM
Here is my turkey gun, 12ga, jug choked full, I made it as well, it was not a kit build;
(https://i.imgur.com/Kfqezae.jpg)
Post by: Buemaker on February 13, 2020, 03:55:45 PM
Post by: Flem on February 14, 2020, 01:47:52 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 15, 2020, 03:47:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/qQpZDzh.jpg)
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Post by: Flem on February 15, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 15, 2020, 06:26:55 PM
So Flem how much total .....????
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 15, 2020, 08:06:59 PM
Post by: Flem on February 15, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
Al this one is suppose to be an upgrade for my stove. Thought I was gonna need a fan to $200 more. Had that been the case I would have looked into another stove.Depends on which little doohickey is fried.
So Flem how much total .....????
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 15, 2020, 09:50:31 PM
Post by: Flem on February 16, 2020, 12:21:46 AM
Dont think nothing fried. Guess a guy could ohm all them dohickys tho.
Thats about the gist of it. One of those capacitors or switches or transformers or rheostats on that circuit board is cooked.
Find the specs and test them. PITA, but thats what you do, if you are cheap like me ;)
Post by: bucknut on February 16, 2020, 07:05:53 AM
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Post by: monterey on February 16, 2020, 11:38:23 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 16, 2020, 04:48:09 PM
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Post by: flyonline on February 17, 2020, 04:34:00 AM
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The white box behind the stave is an asthma nebuliser I've converted to a vacuum pump, so hopefully will see some sucking duties at some stage.
Went and had a look at another house, has plenty of land so I'd be able to set up a full 3D course if I could be bothered, have a lifetimes supply of firewood and possibly harvest some timber for staves/boards.
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 18, 2020, 02:56:12 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0rObwga.jpg)
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Post by: Forwardhandle on February 18, 2020, 05:39:20 PM
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(https://i.imgur.com/D8qrHTL.jpg)
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Post by: monterey on February 18, 2020, 07:50:35 PM
Post by: kennym on February 18, 2020, 08:22:35 PM
Post by: Forwardhandle on February 19, 2020, 06:41:55 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 19, 2020, 07:50:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RR49ZjI.jpg)
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Post by: Forwardhandle on February 19, 2020, 08:05:51 AM
Post by: Flem on February 19, 2020, 10:04:03 AM
http://www.vintagearchery.org/catalogs-by-year.html
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 19, 2020, 10:23:47 AM
Post by: ztontonz on February 19, 2020, 10:37:23 AM
How does it shoots?
Post by: Forwardhandle on February 19, 2020, 05:19:04 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 20, 2020, 12:16:26 PM
Anybody care for some Green maple.
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Post by: Forwardhandle on February 20, 2020, 12:27:03 PM
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Post by: kennym on February 20, 2020, 12:52:52 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 20, 2020, 02:48:25 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 20, 2020, 04:03:38 PM
Post by: monterey on February 20, 2020, 05:02:17 PM
Vacuum stabilized with cactus juice and dye. Makes your wood harder :bigsmyl:
:biglaugh:
I can't tell for sure on my phone if it's lam material or riser material. Guessing riser if you are stabilizing it.
Post by: Flem on February 20, 2020, 07:36:28 PM
Post by: Flem on February 20, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 20, 2020, 09:17:40 PM
Stickypop said his 3 inch riser grew to 3.5 inches.
You go big boy:)
Post by: ztontonz on February 21, 2020, 01:20:05 AM
What are your plans for this block? Combine it with natural wood colors or more green?
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 21, 2020, 07:47:39 AM
Actually Roy it was 3.75 :bigsmyl: Rather have a good cheeseburger somedays. :wavey:
Here is a nother piece of harder wood Claro walnut.This one gained a ton of weight and is the first piece of walnut that I have done that did not float after the soak. Vaced about 20 hours and soak for about 12 days.
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Post by: Crooked Stic on February 23, 2020, 06:40:13 PM
Post by: Flem on February 23, 2020, 07:07:39 PM
Post by: Flem on February 26, 2020, 12:38:34 PM
Sure miss the good ole' days when nobody was afeard of nothin'.
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Post by: Buemaker on February 26, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
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Post by: ztontonz on February 28, 2020, 11:38:22 AM
Glue lines looks ok. Time to get more wood and get my swap bow started
Post by: kennym on February 28, 2020, 12:35:20 PM
Post by: Buemaker on February 28, 2020, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: Flem on February 28, 2020, 04:17:46 PM
Didn't anybody tell you that you can't make a riser out of Walnut :laughing:
Post by: ztontonz on February 28, 2020, 04:39:18 PM
I thought I would take my chance with this one. Should end up close to 20#@28” (10@18)
Post by: kennym on February 28, 2020, 04:46:51 PM
That said, there are stronger woods... :thumbsup:
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 28, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Post by: Autumnarcher on February 28, 2020, 08:19:06 PM
This build is a curly maple riser with black glass. very interested to see what it comes in at as far as weight based on the design dimensions. Even had Kenny scratchin his head a lil bit but we took a good guess and wil go from there. Glue up in the morning.
Post by: Autumnarcher on February 28, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
Post by: Flem on February 29, 2020, 01:02:52 PM
Im a out to have fits as to why every time I post pics on here from my phone theyre always sideways or upsidedown. 🙄
Me too. I figured it must be a lifestyle choice :biglaugh:
Post by: Crooked Stic on February 29, 2020, 04:34:50 PM
Got to do some more on the victim bow to :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Buemaker on February 29, 2020, 05:12:55 PM
Post by: Flem on March 01, 2020, 11:36:28 AM
Don't think I've seen one in a Bowyers arsenal before :)
Post by: ztontonz on March 02, 2020, 12:46:35 PM
:knothead:
Post by: Flem on March 02, 2020, 07:18:11 PM
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Post by: kennym on March 02, 2020, 07:32:44 PM
I cut some fabulous zebra lams from a board a feller sent me. Too bad it had a couple cracks in it.
I won't post any pics til he sees it.
Post by: Mad Max on March 02, 2020, 08:01:14 PM
Post by: Flem on March 02, 2020, 08:56:43 PM
Post by: Mad Max on March 02, 2020, 09:01:37 PM
Suckerrrrrrr
your riser has a crack in it :laughing: :laughing:
Post by: Autumnarcher on March 02, 2020, 09:18:49 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 03, 2020, 08:35:39 AM
Post by: Flem on March 03, 2020, 09:49:45 AM
Now that it's dry, I have to iron out the wrinkles. Have to use steam or it sears the fibers and they don't absorb as well. Their is an art to being a cheap-a$$ :saywhat:
Post by: wood carver 2 on March 03, 2020, 04:56:06 PM
Dave.
Post by: Bvas on March 03, 2020, 08:26:49 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 04, 2020, 07:12:09 AM
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Post by: Buemaker on March 04, 2020, 07:33:10 AM
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Post by: kennym on March 04, 2020, 08:35:31 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 04, 2020, 09:12:03 AM
Looks like some bigger chunks fell off and hit the ground...
Grass is all dead...
Post by: Flem on March 04, 2020, 09:19:19 AM
LMFAO
I'll be happy to share my scratch and sniff "Micarta"
Anybody want a chunk?
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 04, 2020, 02:01:21 PM
Fixin to cut one in two.
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Post by: Flem on March 04, 2020, 04:04:02 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on March 04, 2020, 04:21:02 PM
LMFAOYou’re supposed to wash them with soap. 🤢☠️💩
Dave.
Post by: Fishinglink on March 05, 2020, 02:21:53 PM
Cody.
Post by: Mad Max on March 05, 2020, 02:33:01 PM
Take it easy :bigsmyl:
Post by: Flem on March 05, 2020, 02:40:19 PM
Post by: Buemaker on March 05, 2020, 04:21:51 PM
Post by: monterey on March 05, 2020, 08:18:55 PM
The weather warmed up and let me get a few things done today. Made up some blockers for the sides of this kid bow form. And glued some lay up blockers on the ends. This will make a 54" blank but pretty sure it's going to make a bow closer to 50".
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This is a 1" form and using a topless hose form might not work out due to the hose width so it's going to be a rubber band form. Instead of using a single pressure strip, it's going to be two thin ones back to back. The idea being that they will be flexible and a bit stouter than a thicker single. Still need a strip down the center to prevent cupping.
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Double checked the fit of the little bocote riser its good. Just need to feather the fades. But that won't be happening cause I dropped it! :(
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Now, I know walnut don't get no respect as a riser wood but it should be able to handle this little bow. Got a start on it but the sun was going down. More to come, of course.
The walnut has been in my wife's family for 65 years. It was cut into rough boards in Omaha and my wife being a military brat, the wood travelled the world. It has lived in Paris, Arizona, Sacramento, Arlington and now here in Colorado. It oughta be dry by now. :)
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Post by: Buemaker on March 06, 2020, 03:36:54 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 06, 2020, 07:48:49 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 06, 2020, 09:56:16 AM
Super glue her back up....
No big deal..
Post by: Flem on March 06, 2020, 11:41:00 AM
I might be a little biased ;)
Post by: ztontonz on March 06, 2020, 01:08:18 PM
Post by: monterey on March 06, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
Maybe CA glue that piece back on the riser.
I don't think it would work. It wasn't feathered out yet and probably would go south.
I am making two of these but got a nice piece of Zebra from Kenny that will be fun to play with.
If this form doesn't toss me a good bow, I have two other forms standing by. :)
Post by: monterey on March 06, 2020, 10:00:07 PM
Looks pretty good.
Post by: Flem on March 06, 2020, 10:19:42 PM
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Post by: Flem on March 07, 2020, 10:09:20 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 07, 2020, 05:36:44 PM
Actually worked on the victim bow. Got the limbs and riser drilled inserts in and out of pins. Fastenal was closed.
So I done this.
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Post by: Forwardhandle on March 07, 2020, 06:32:50 PM
Post by: monterey on March 07, 2020, 07:40:12 PM
Mike, do you use a program for your riser template pattern?
Yes, I use a program called Cad Std. When I got it it it was a free version and there was also an upgrade version. The free one was completely adequate but eventually I got the upgrade solely to be able to do offsets. Which I I rarely use but it can be handy.
http://www.cadstd.com/pro.html
Post by: Buemaker on March 11, 2020, 06:44:09 AM
If your finished width taper is straight from the fades, using this thing when you are nearly there will give you a slight trapping to the back.
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Post by: Crooked Stic on March 11, 2020, 08:17:09 AM
Cut in the sight window and limb profile and got it in two. .002 taper bottom to top front to back and .008 bottom to top on the sides made it come apart really easy.
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Post by: Buemaker on March 11, 2020, 11:48:03 AM
Post by: Flem on March 11, 2020, 02:49:48 PM
Post by: kennym on March 11, 2020, 04:51:25 PM
Final check we ran a walnut 1x8 thru and planed both sides, it was .001" off from one side to the other!! :pray:
Post by: Flem on March 11, 2020, 09:48:08 PM
Post by: Flem on March 12, 2020, 05:25:30 PM
Love these things for cutting paper
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Post by: flyonline on March 13, 2020, 04:24:35 AM
I had to postpone my Micarta or Diaper-carta. Depends on your point of view what to call it. Had more coffee to drink. It's like a connected circle of function, coffee, diaper, paper, phenolic.....
Flem
I might have missed it, but how do you lay it up? Between a couple of boards and a stack of weight, in a press, vacuum bag???
Post by: Buemaker on March 13, 2020, 04:24:56 AM
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Post by: Flem on March 13, 2020, 04:58:42 PM
Bue, I use this System Three Clear Coat. It's low viscosity, I think it's 400-600 CPS. It wets out the paper or fabric real fast and it has a long pot life.
I was going to do this today and document it, but a steering rack said no way dude.
I think after I get done crawling around under my car I'm going to relax and watch "The Omega Man" :goldtooth:
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Post by: Shredd on March 13, 2020, 11:02:57 PM
Good idea Shredd. May I ask where you bought that inflatable drum?
Here yah go Bue...
https://www.woodworkingshop.com/product/ht40000/
Post by: Eric Krewson on March 14, 2020, 09:18:16 AM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on March 14, 2020, 04:40:41 PM
Post by: Flem on March 14, 2020, 04:44:25 PM
Post by: Buemaker on March 14, 2020, 04:52:04 PM
(https://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/38458E11-FC1B-4BCD-945F-11BF11B9CF10_zps3vgpcegp.jpeg) (https://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/38458E11-FC1B-4BCD-945F-11BF11B9CF10_zps3vgpcegp.jpeg.html)
Post by: Mad Max on March 14, 2020, 05:10:33 PM
Post by: flyonline on March 14, 2020, 09:22:36 PM
Steve, I'm going to vac press it. I used to use a two sided tray and clamps, but it was not ideal. The vacuum is awesome. Not only does it press the crap out of it, but it eliminates any air voids.
Bue, I use this System Three Clear Coat. It's low viscosity, I think it's 400-600 CPS. It wets out the paper or fabric real fast and it has a long pot life.
Right on, I've done a few wet vac-bag layups for RC gliders, so I know the joys of a low viscosity resin and no air bubbles :thumbsup: A short term work colleague makes composite wooden bikes (as in wood plus composites) and uses some really high end/tech stuff like pre-preg boron and autoclaves and I've been given an invite to come have a look when he heard I was into wood bows and composites in general.
Errr, what's the hand on the bench doing?
Post by: Flem on March 14, 2020, 10:44:26 PM
Post by: Forwardhandle on March 15, 2020, 05:42:10 AM
Post by: Flem on March 15, 2020, 09:58:33 AM
Flem you would like that didn't you design a snow bike a while back ? :)
I wish!
I would love to check out what Steve's pal is making. I've seen some composite bikes and Bamboo bikes, they are way cool. It sounds like he has some equipment. I covet an Autoclave.
Post by: Buemaker on March 15, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
When you say that an epoxy have a low viscosity, does that mean it is thin or easy to spread so a brush can be used?
Post by: monterey on March 15, 2020, 12:14:21 PM
Always thought your English was pretty good.
Post by: Flem on March 15, 2020, 12:32:37 PM
For reference, water has a CPS of 1, motor oil would be in the range of 200-500 CPS, EA-40 would be 100,000+CPS!!!
Post by: Shredd on March 15, 2020, 02:45:42 PM
Think I better you speak English than me...
Post by: Buemaker on March 15, 2020, 05:35:10 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2020, 05:44:15 PM
"cooling the fluid raises its viscosity"
a quantity expressing the magnitude of internal friction, as measured by the force per unit area resisting a flow in which parallel layers unit distance apart have unit speed relative to one another.
plural noun: viscosities
"silicone oils can be obtained with different viscosities"
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 20, 2020, 06:59:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/E4wbDXh.jpg)
Post by: Flem on March 20, 2020, 10:13:14 AM
It cures harder than some other fast set epoxy's.
Post by: Buemaker on March 20, 2020, 01:10:45 PM
(https://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b506/timian46/E48A38BE-BA44-44B5-8945-881DB23276E1_zpsol7j1sbr.jpeg) (https://s1289.photobucket.com/user/timian46/media/E48A38BE-BA44-44B5-8945-881DB23276E1_zpsol7j1sbr.jpeg.html)
Post by: Buemaker on March 20, 2020, 01:13:09 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 23, 2020, 08:35:28 AM
I posted this bow in the Pow Wow as KTBA donation. But finished except for a rubber sleeve on the grip is on order. anyhow some pics
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Post by: Flem on March 23, 2020, 01:00:14 PM
Do you have to lube up that rubber sleeve to get it on :saywhat:
Post by: Buemaker on March 23, 2020, 01:12:11 PM
Post by: Forwardhandle on March 23, 2020, 01:23:19 PM
Post by: buddyb on March 23, 2020, 04:18:14 PM
I like the green as well. One of these days I may have to build me a green one.
Post by: Shredd on March 23, 2020, 05:40:26 PM
Post by: Forwardhandle on March 24, 2020, 11:51:21 AM
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Post by: Flem on March 24, 2020, 11:59:49 AM
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Post by: buddyb on March 24, 2020, 02:43:33 PM
Post by: Flem on March 24, 2020, 03:22:53 PM
I forgot that I had these little samples to try before I had started using the stuff. These have to be 30yrs old and guess what's, it's still good! The resin had crystalized a little, but after a short time in a warm water bath it was good to go. Wish I had more of it.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 24, 2020, 04:32:48 PM
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Post by: buddyb on March 24, 2020, 04:47:52 PM
Mike I'd need a ladder to spray the top of that bow. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Eric Krewson on March 24, 2020, 04:58:51 PM
Post by: Flem on March 24, 2020, 07:47:09 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 24, 2020, 10:09:29 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on March 25, 2020, 07:53:35 AM
Post by: Minnesota Bill on March 28, 2020, 04:37:26 PM
Well so everything stored in the attic was taken out to the driveway, 2x6s nailed in, 6 more inches of insulation placed down and 7/16 OSB placed over the top. Can't hardly crawl though to nail it down, getting awful small up there. That was 2 days ago, I'm starting to be able to move without hurting to much today. Getting old ain't for sissies!!!!! :)
Post by: Buemaker on March 28, 2020, 05:30:23 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 01, 2020, 08:27:46 AM
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Post by: flyonline on April 02, 2020, 09:09:08 PM
Worked on my latest Osage selfbow, 69" and hoping for 50+ @ 28" so I'm legal for deer. So far it's 45 @23 with a couple of whoopsies to work out so hopefully should come in on target. I had to do a little straightening and de-propping with dry heat which leaves it with a little deflex in one limb, and reflex in the other. The left limb is bottom with a slight reflex in the last 1/4 of the limb, and the right has a slight deflex about halfway out.
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Post by: Flem on April 03, 2020, 08:32:02 AM
Post by: Pat B on April 03, 2020, 09:57:35 AM
Are you exercising the limbs after each wood removal?
Post by: kennym on April 03, 2020, 08:07:23 PM
Mystery block. Green maple and some black sycamore--------------got a plan--
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That looks cool Mike!!
I worked in shop and listened to it rain...
Started a bow blank for a feller with lams from scrap barrel and a riser block that was messed up on an end...
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 03, 2020, 08:18:08 PM
Today I was working on a flip cart that will hold two belt sanders and organize the belts and other bits. This is part of my longer term project to clean up and organize my small shop.
Dave.
Post by: kennym on April 03, 2020, 08:28:20 PM
Bocote back / osage belly
See why I don't throw thin lam blanks out?
Post by: ztontonz on April 03, 2020, 10:59:48 PM
Post by: Flem on April 04, 2020, 07:22:23 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 04, 2020, 04:25:23 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 04, 2020, 06:22:11 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on April 05, 2020, 09:42:59 AM
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Post by: kennym on April 05, 2020, 11:55:36 AM
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 05, 2020, 06:19:59 PM
Then I was able to get some work done on on of my projects.
My new sanding station. It’s 90% done. I’m just waiting on some toggle clamps to be delivered for it. And it needs a bit of tweaking.
Dave.
Post by: Shredd on April 05, 2020, 08:48:41 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on April 05, 2020, 09:06:34 PM
Dave.
Post by: monterey on April 06, 2020, 05:02:28 PM
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I used Jess Stuart's split lam method to get 1" cores. Glass is 1.5" Bear Paw cut to one inch wide. Got most of the boogers off so now to figure a limb profile.
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Maple core, pink lams and bocote riser from a piece found on the floor.
btw, this is the riser that i posted recently that was dropped on the floor and chipped. You all suggested super glue and it worked. Survived the feathering process nicely.
Here's a little experiment with this layup. The veneers are so thin that scarf joints didn't work. So i put a patch across it made of onion skin paper .002 thick and super glued it. I could've turned it to the inside but wanted to see what it looks like. Overlay should hide it.
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Post by: buddyb on April 06, 2020, 05:41:55 PM
Post by: Flem on April 06, 2020, 05:48:35 PM
Post by: monterey on April 06, 2020, 08:30:23 PM
I get it from here. https://www.dyed-veneer.com/Products-s/136.htm
Post by: ztontonz on April 06, 2020, 11:18:48 PM
Well done with the onion skin paper. I already thought of doing something like that. Was thinking about using mesh to allow the epoxy to go through more easily. But never thought of using paper.
Thanks
Post by: monterey on April 07, 2020, 01:02:10 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 07, 2020, 06:08:01 AM
Post by: monterey on April 07, 2020, 02:51:59 PM
So did the smooth on saturate the onion paper??
I can't say for certain. The SG did saturate the paper. I'm thinking that by keeping the paper narrow it won't be a structurally significant point. In addition, it hopefully will come in about 20# at 24 to 26 inches.
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 08, 2020, 04:34:59 PM
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Post by: kennym on April 10, 2020, 09:58:30 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on April 10, 2020, 10:38:13 PM
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Post by: bigbob2 on April 11, 2020, 09:36:51 PM
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Post by: bucknut on April 12, 2020, 05:42:07 AM
Post by: Buemaker on April 13, 2020, 06:28:39 AM
Post by: monterey on April 17, 2020, 12:42:52 PM
Some pictures. The string is a bit short and is fine for tillering but it will get a new string and some arrows. That first picture of the nock was taken before final sanding.
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 17, 2020, 06:04:40 PM
I had a pretty old 6x48 sander that I sold. I have the big Grizzly that does better. But I took the money to Harbor Frieght today. Can do scarf joints now.
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Post by: kennym on April 17, 2020, 06:34:49 PM
Crookd , hows the table on that? Pretty solid?
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 18, 2020, 11:18:25 AM
Post by: kennym on April 18, 2020, 11:33:03 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 18, 2020, 04:42:06 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5tbkPu91jQ
Post by: Buemaker on April 20, 2020, 03:39:06 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 24, 2020, 07:55:59 AM
did this yesterday. This one has a claro walnut (stabilized) riser and KY. coffeebean veneers with a touch of brown stain.
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Post by: beachbowhunter on April 24, 2020, 10:45:33 AM
Post by: kennym on April 24, 2020, 11:54:00 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 24, 2020, 08:00:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF-q4MlFTws
Post by: BO-R on April 25, 2020, 08:48:49 AM
have to give that a go at some point.
Post by: kennym on April 25, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
Nice job!!
Post by: Shredd on April 25, 2020, 09:14:57 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 25, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
Post by: Buemaker on April 25, 2020, 03:32:22 PM
Post by: kennym on April 25, 2020, 06:27:17 PM
Post by: Shredd on April 26, 2020, 12:45:42 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 26, 2020, 07:09:04 AM
That Parallel may get you in trouble down the line...Explain??
Post by: Shredd on April 26, 2020, 06:16:26 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 26, 2020, 08:36:54 PM
Anyhow this one has KY.coffeebean veneers quarter sawen.
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Post by: flyonline on April 27, 2020, 06:08:27 AM
Are you exercising the limbs after each wood removal?
Yep, 20-40 pulls each time. Long story short there was a bit of operator mis-read which was compounded by an equipment challenge and I ended up with a couple of very mismatched limbs so I've thrown it in the corner but might pull it out at some stage and rescue it for something - can probably make a very light/kids bow if I weaken up the strong limb to match. Haven't had a good run, another equipment malfunction (read operator error) meant I ended with an overly short r/d boo backed cypress board bow which looked great until I went too far with a long string and took too much off the tips <sigh> Again, I can probably take it back to a lightish/kids bow so I threw it in the other corner until I forgive it enough to get back to it.
Soo, I started on my latest - a 66" ASL from spotted gum with boo backing (if I screw this up I've still got a 4th corner before I get back to the beginning :laughing: :laughing: ). It's 1.25" straight until the last 8" tapering to 1/2" with a 12" riser and I'm planning on a straight glue up to keep it simple. This is the first fully shaped riser/handle that I've done, and I'm a little unsure how to shape out the fades to paper thin with my limited tools. Belt sander mounted on it's side and use the end roller as a kinda spindle sander?
Post by: Flem on April 27, 2020, 09:15:41 AM
Is it at all brittle? For your fades, if you can get a clean cut close to the line, you can taper it without too much trouble with varying grits of sandpaper wrapped around some 2-3" PVC pipe
Post by: ztontonz on April 27, 2020, 06:59:24 PM
Well sir done my last three like that no more than .003 taper. this one had .002 Jim sez try to keep them parallel frt. to bck. Taper on the sides.
Anyhow this one has KY.coffeebean veneers quarter sawen.
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I like the look of your veneers!
Post by: flyonline on April 28, 2020, 05:28:12 AM
Interesting....... I have wondered about using Eucalyptus. It's pretty wood, really heavy!
Is it at all brittle? For your fades, if you can get a clean cut close to the line, you can taper it without too much trouble with varying grits of sandpaper wrapped around some 2-3" PVC pipe
Flem
I can't really comment not having worked much/made a bow with it yet but I do know spotted gum has been used successfully here quite a bit both in board and stave form. I suspect it's a bit like your hickory and red oak, not the first choice but readily available and works ok. It would be interesting to see if some heat treating does anything for it. There are other eucalyptus' that have been used successfully also, but they're much harder to get hold of in general. It's unfortunate that our other widely available eucatlyp in mountain ash/tassie oak etc. makes poor bows as it's relatively easy to find in straight grained boards.
Roger on the PVC, I'm assuming you're talking about final shaping once glued up on the bow?
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 28, 2020, 08:00:41 PM
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Post by: Flem on April 28, 2020, 10:38:11 PM
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Post by: flyonline on April 29, 2020, 11:25:19 PM
Only question is, will the nodes at the end of the fades create a problem when tillering?
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Post by: bigbob2 on May 02, 2020, 11:45:10 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on May 03, 2020, 11:00:22 AM
Post by: monterey on May 03, 2020, 01:28:03 PM
Post by: Forwardhandle on May 04, 2020, 03:09:02 AM
Post by: Shredd on May 04, 2020, 12:48:38 PM
Hey, we would never get anywhere if we kept listening to the old farts set in their ways... Granted that they do know a good bit of what is going on...
Post by: monterey on May 04, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
Today I layed up another kid R/D. This one for another granddaughter.
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Post by: Forwardhandle on May 04, 2020, 02:45:57 PM
Post by: monterey on May 04, 2020, 04:01:00 PM
Looking good Monty How old you got to be to be old fart ?
Hmmmm, hard question to answer. It's sure to offend somebody. :)
I'm 73 and don't think of myself as old. Just don't think about it at all. When I look in a mirror it sorta shocks me.
Post by: Forwardhandle on May 04, 2020, 05:04:24 PM
Post by: monterey on May 04, 2020, 06:08:42 PM
Post by: Shredd on May 04, 2020, 09:10:31 PM
Post by: Flem on May 04, 2020, 10:05:53 PM
If only my body followed suit :bigsmyl:
To anybody under 40, we are all Geezers!
Post by: Bvas on May 04, 2020, 10:42:46 PM
Some of us are in in a state of arrested development. Personally I never matured past about 24.Not true!!!
If only my body followed suit :bigsmyl:
To anybody under 40, we are all Geezers!
I’m 44 and I don’t think y’all are old geezers.
I think you’re a bunch of old farts. :laughing: One of which is especially grumpy. :biglaugh:
But I can’t think of a better bunch of farts to hang out with.....young or old. :archer2:
Post by: monterey on May 04, 2020, 11:01:07 PM
Post by: flyonline on May 04, 2020, 11:12:27 PM
To anybody under 40, we are all Geezers!
Hey, I resemble that comment :laughing:
Post by: Flem on May 05, 2020, 09:04:31 AM
Post by: bucknut on May 05, 2020, 10:54:03 AM
Post by: Bvas on May 05, 2020, 11:44:35 AM
No kidding. I was always in the younger to middle age group in my other jobs. My new job they are all young kids. Now they call me papaw. WTF just happened here. Snot nosed little bastards.ROFLMAO :laughing:
Post by: Forwardhandle on May 05, 2020, 12:08:52 PM
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Post by: Flem on May 05, 2020, 02:59:01 PM
No kidding. I was always in the younger to middle age group in my other jobs. My new job they are all young kids. Now they call me papaw. WTF just happened here. Snot nosed little bastards.
In Utah (or parts of Idaho and Montana) you could be a Great Grand Papaw at your age.
Post by: flyonline on May 09, 2020, 05:17:44 AM
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It has a bit of a hinge in the right limb exacerbated by a twist but I'm pretty happy with it. Couldn't stop laughing at how fast it flung a little kids arrow though, she's a blood thirsty little girl, so the local mice/pest birds might be in for a fun time. It did take a bit of set, but that might have been me pushing it a bit on the tillering tree to see if it would break.
Actually, this was the first serious test of a new timber that I've not used before, a local accacia/wattle which goes by 'bloodwood' but I'll be buggered if I can find a species specific name for it (there are many other endemic 'bloodwoods' so it's not that helpful). Grows fairly straight and branch free for bow sized lengths, and I can get hold of it fairly easily. Outer sapwood is softish and peels off easily but heartwood is nice and dense and generally nice grain of the few staves I've split and de-barked so far. Only a couple of downsides: Borers love it but so far really only seem to hit the sap wood so not much of an issue, but I have noticed that my other timber seems to be sprouting a few more sawdust holes underneath so hopefully I haven't brought in a heap of bugs.... The other is that my sinuses react like crazy to it. I can do a session without mask with osage, 'boo etc. (not good I know!!) and not suffer too much but this is one wiff and my head starts to ache. The upside is that is forcing me to wear a proper mask any time I'm working with timber now, I don't want to end up with allergies later in life and I'm already halfway there (allergies, not age I hope :laughing: :laughing: ). Gotta make a start on a full size selfbow now to see how it works at bigger weights as I was really impressed with how well it pulled.
Our turkey got the chop the other day too, so I kept all the wing feathers to have a crack at making my own fletchings. Dried them over the wood fire which worked well.
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Post by: Mad Max on May 09, 2020, 08:37:42 AM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on May 09, 2020, 08:31:28 PM
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Post by: kennym on May 09, 2020, 09:25:45 PM
Post by: Forwardhandle on May 10, 2020, 05:51:42 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 10, 2020, 07:38:47 AM
Post by: kennym on May 10, 2020, 07:42:53 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 10, 2020, 08:50:18 AM
Got stabilcore in them? Yer gonna make me get my recurve form down aint ya!! :o
Naaaaa---I don't believe ya :tongue: :tongue:
Post by: beachbowhunter on May 10, 2020, 10:27:30 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 10, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on May 10, 2020, 11:25:28 AM
Come on Kenny it will be fun :biglaugh:
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 11, 2020, 05:10:34 PM
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Post by: beachbowhunter on May 11, 2020, 05:24:36 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 11, 2020, 07:57:01 PM
Post by: bigbob2 on May 11, 2020, 09:34:04 PM
Post by: beachbowhunter on May 11, 2020, 10:41:15 PM
13 degrees. maybe a little flat. But works greart on original limb.
Looks right to me. I just made a form from a bow I have that I like and it looks like it takes 24 degrees. Big differences!
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 12, 2020, 07:32:52 AM
Post by: Buemaker on May 12, 2020, 08:14:28 AM
Bob, some wild colors, I like it.
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 12, 2020, 02:18:59 PM
. Shot about 6 arrows and pretty quite with the B50 build string. Will do a full draw when closer to done.
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Post by: Mad Max on May 12, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
Can I see a limb width picture? ;)
Post by: beachbowhunter on May 12, 2020, 04:58:51 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 12, 2020, 05:29:11 PM
My limb width is 1.625 at the butts and tapers the last 10 in. to about 11/16s at the string groove. Put the stick in it a little bit ago. It is 29 there. For a longer draw prolly need a bit more angle on the pads.
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Post by: ztontonz on May 13, 2020, 12:43:12 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 13, 2020, 07:52:18 PM
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Post by: ztontonz on May 13, 2020, 10:51:11 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on May 15, 2020, 05:32:57 PM
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Post by: beachbowhunter on May 15, 2020, 05:49:46 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on May 18, 2020, 10:29:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41dDKB86P34
Post by: 4 point on May 18, 2020, 10:50:00 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 18, 2020, 07:38:34 PM
When I get this limb lined out and know my stacks this will be my limb veneers
Buckeye very pricey so ya dont want to screw them up.
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Post by: Crooked Stic on May 27, 2020, 06:11:12 PM
:banghead: I guess it does look like corian.
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Post by: Flem on May 27, 2020, 09:00:42 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 28, 2020, 07:07:52 AM
Post by: Flem on May 28, 2020, 10:20:50 AM
Could not find a local sawmill?
Post by: Crooked Stic on May 29, 2020, 10:57:52 PM
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Post by: ztontonz on May 30, 2020, 01:01:16 AM
Post by: Buemaker on May 30, 2020, 03:21:40 AM
Post by: Mad Max on May 30, 2020, 05:04:23 PM
Roy sent me 2 bamboo Backings ready for glue up back in November and I glued on some African Black wood for the tips and got them close to finish today.
Now I can start to Tiller.
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Post by: kennym on May 30, 2020, 05:13:39 PM
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Post by: monterey on May 31, 2020, 01:27:32 PM
Mike, I've found the shape can be percentage but stack is harder to guess. Did you % that also?
No, I kinda swagged based on suggestions from Jess Stuart. These could've had a little thicker stack but better light than heavy. Also would benefit from less thickness taper. This totals. 004 which I went with due to maintaining the width well out the limb. These two girls will out grow these pretty quickly so they will be due for something off the full size form.
Post by: monterey on May 31, 2020, 01:30:47 PM
Monty... So Cool that you did that... It's hard to visualize what a smaller bow looks like, so being next to a standard bow gives you a better idea...
I was a little bit surprised at how well worked. If you look carefully you can see that the little bow is reflexed a bit more. That's because the thin limbs had almost zero spring back off the form.
Post by: monterey on May 31, 2020, 01:33:19 PM
Post by: Mad Max on May 31, 2020, 03:08:54 PM
I'v done that many time on my CAD program but never on a bow.
You got to keep the kid's away from the cell phone a little bit.
Nice work
Post by: monterey on June 01, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 02, 2020, 05:51:32 PM
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Post by: Mad Max on June 02, 2020, 06:11:38 PM
sx, more is more
Post by: wood carver 2 on June 02, 2020, 06:49:35 PM
Dave.
Post by: 4 point on June 02, 2020, 07:31:46 PM
Post by: Buemaker on June 03, 2020, 03:19:37 AM
Post by: ztontonz on June 03, 2020, 06:07:36 PM
Post by: kennym on June 03, 2020, 06:13:01 PM
I agree. Looks good already but a brown leather grip would really set it off.
This!
Post by: Flem on June 03, 2020, 08:15:04 PM
I agree with the consensus, looks nice. Maybe when you finish it, give it a little amber tone, like old school varnish look.
Post by: Forwardhandle on June 04, 2020, 07:09:56 AM
Post by: Shredd on June 11, 2020, 11:41:29 PM
Flem, You gotta get on the Bowyer's Corner on FB... they are touching base on the Neutral Plane... :) :)
Post by: Mad Max on June 13, 2020, 02:24:28 PM
Post by: monterey on June 13, 2020, 04:21:16 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 13, 2020, 05:11:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2EhaJ3M.jpg)
Post by: monterey on June 13, 2020, 05:11:54 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 13, 2020, 05:36:36 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on June 13, 2020, 08:23:47 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 13, 2020, 09:30:02 PM
Post by: Shredd on June 13, 2020, 10:19:05 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on June 20, 2020, 05:05:10 PM
Dave.
Post by: Mad Max on June 30, 2020, 08:30:37 PM
Pretty dang HOT out, Humidity is high :o
Post by: Mad Max on June 30, 2020, 08:44:49 PM
Post by: Flem on June 30, 2020, 11:13:56 PM
Post by: Mad Max on June 30, 2020, 11:21:28 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 06, 2020, 07:43:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7N8Pv6r.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ikUA9nM.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on July 06, 2020, 07:53:05 PM
Post by: Bvas on July 06, 2020, 09:53:21 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 06, 2020, 10:23:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ShZxth4.jpg)
Post by: ztontonz on July 07, 2020, 01:11:33 AM
How does it shoot?
Post by: Buemaker on July 07, 2020, 05:39:59 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 07, 2020, 07:13:25 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 11, 2020, 08:10:16 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hGajBBx.jpg)
Post by: Bvas on July 11, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
Post by: Mad Max on July 11, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 12, 2020, 05:27:26 AM
Post by: Buemaker on July 12, 2020, 08:30:30 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 12, 2020, 09:10:08 AM
Post by: buddyb on July 12, 2020, 10:03:35 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 12, 2020, 11:43:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSqrcxXumq8
Post by: monterey on July 12, 2020, 01:18:43 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 12, 2020, 02:25:34 PM
Post by: monterey on July 12, 2020, 02:53:19 PM
Post by: kennym on July 12, 2020, 03:11:53 PM
Post by: buddyb on July 12, 2020, 04:07:34 PM
Post by: Shredd on July 12, 2020, 05:18:43 PM
Post by: ztontonz on July 12, 2020, 05:51:44 PM
I am with Monterey, tips could maybe be shortened a bit.
Hard to hear on the video, but does the tips part close to the string generate any noise?
Post by: Mad Max on July 12, 2020, 06:47:58 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 13, 2020, 06:37:24 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 18, 2020, 08:36:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wadKDzL.jpg)
I just need to feather out the last 1/2" of the fades and glueup.
(https://i.imgur.com/jNvdg14.jpg)
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 19, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 19, 2020, 01:07:22 PM
Thanks stic
Post by: ztontonz on July 20, 2020, 03:59:01 PM
Post by: Carpdaddy on July 21, 2020, 03:57:35 PM
Post by: Carpdaddy on July 22, 2020, 07:16:12 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 22, 2020, 09:15:49 AM
Post by: Carpdaddy on July 22, 2020, 09:41:07 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 22, 2020, 10:41:15 AM
Post by: Shredd on July 22, 2020, 12:46:00 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on July 22, 2020, 05:34:09 PM
This stinkin BP glass. Just layed one up that came out 50@28. did the math to come out 5 lighter. Still came in 7 heavy. Should be able to loose that much tho. anyhow its a Crazy Stic. Just put veneers in the stack and allowed for them. :dunno:
(https://i.imgur.com/KNGllTX.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on July 22, 2020, 06:28:01 PM
Post by: Stagmitis on July 24, 2020, 10:59:35 AM
That BP Glass must have a higher fiber to epoxy ratio....using Less glass=less limb mass=more performance :clapper:
Post by: monterey on July 24, 2020, 11:53:40 AM
Post by: kennym on July 24, 2020, 06:25:22 PM
Thats good Crooked!
That BP Glass must have a higher fiber to epoxy ratio....using Less glass=less limb mass=more performance :clapper:
It' makes it hard to guess stack. I have a crude spine tester on my glass cut table. Judging from the Gordon's marks I put on for reference, the BP .040 x 1.5 right now is about like .043 in Gordons so that would be like adding .006 to your stack if using Gordon's for reference???
Buuuutt... this roll is about gone so what will the next be?
Post by: Mad Max on July 24, 2020, 11:25:46 PM
Free shipping :clapper:
I need to clean up the shop too :knothead:
Post by: williwaw on July 25, 2020, 02:08:01 AM
Thats good Crooked!I'm confused. you must mean higher epoxy to fiber ratio, or an epoxy rich lam with less glass? Seems that less glass would make a bow weaker, not stiffer, yet you are saying the reduction in mass increases performance?
That BP Glass must have a higher fiber to epoxy ratio....using Less glass=less limb mass=more performance :clapper:
Has this been discussed in more depth somewhere? I would like to understand better whats going on.
Thanks
Post by: Mad Max on July 25, 2020, 03:57:30 PM
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-Heavy-Duty-Double-Air-Filter-with-Remote-Control/G9956
Post by: Buemaker on July 25, 2020, 05:35:57 PM
Post by: ztontonz on July 27, 2020, 08:52:24 PM
Post by: Pat B on July 28, 2020, 10:02:22 AM
Post by: ztontonz on July 28, 2020, 10:21:41 AM
Post by: Minnesota Bill on July 28, 2020, 10:37:18 AM
Post by: Pat B on July 28, 2020, 11:22:59 AM
Post by: Mad Max on July 28, 2020, 12:13:05 PM
Post by: Flem on July 28, 2020, 02:51:59 PM
And congratulations on surviving 7 decades :clapper:
Thats a milestone I hope to make!
Post by: Mad Max on July 28, 2020, 04:20:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/osyIlMU.jpg)
Post by: Buemaker on July 28, 2020, 05:45:13 PM
Post by: Pat B on July 28, 2020, 07:22:21 PM
Post by: Flem on July 28, 2020, 09:41:01 PM
Post by: Mad Max on July 28, 2020, 10:43:01 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/q6CULp0.jpg)
Post by: Buemaker on July 29, 2020, 07:43:59 AM
Post by: Carpdaddy on July 30, 2020, 03:49:05 PM
Post by: Flem on July 30, 2020, 04:13:21 PM
Tony, it looks like Kenny sent you a giant Jolly Rancher :laughing:
Post by: Bvas on July 31, 2020, 08:10:01 PM
Then had some more beers and figured I better stop working on the template before it gets all wonky.
So now I’m just drinking beers.
Post by: wood carver 2 on July 31, 2020, 10:05:45 PM
I’ll take meat from a tender young doe over a buck any day. 😁
Dave.
Post by: Shredd on August 01, 2020, 01:34:12 AM
Drank some beer and worked on a template for TD limbs.
Then had some more beers and figured I better stop working on the template before it gets all wonky.
So now I’m just drinking beers.
:biglaugh: :laughing: :biglaugh: That can happen...
I sanded some lams for a another bow...
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 01, 2020, 09:17:02 AM
It still bugged me that it was so weak so I decided to change it out. Now, with bad body parts I can no longer pick up a heavy battery up so I had to improvise a way to get it out of its awkward compartment.
I rigged up my deer dragamatic 2000 (my deer mover invention) to loop the mule tape over a gas line in the compartment, hooked to the battery and pulled it out of the battery box with my cordless drill. Next I put a ramp under the battery and slid it out of the compartment on the ramp.
I used a hand truck and 4 wheeler ramp to get it into the bed of my truck.
I reversed the procedure and put the new battery back in the compartment. I never picked up the battery during this swap out.
Post by: monterey on August 01, 2020, 01:03:23 PM
Post by: Bvas on August 01, 2020, 04:51:19 PM
I’m converting my one piece 58” D/R into a 62” three piece with a 14” riser. Fingers crossed, hopefully everything works out. :pray:
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Post by: Mad Max on August 01, 2020, 05:31:43 PM
Lookin good :thumbsup:
Got one sprayed this Morning
(https://i.imgur.com/lPeeclC.jpg)
Post by: Bvas on August 01, 2020, 06:23:30 PM
But I am planning on letting my tips run extra long just in case.
Post by: Bvas on August 02, 2020, 10:14:12 PM
Getting closer......but still got a lot of stuff to do before I get anywhere near building a bow.
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Post by: Mad Max on August 02, 2020, 10:33:28 PM
Post by: zhangkeyang on August 03, 2020, 04:57:41 AM
Post by: Shredd on August 03, 2020, 12:57:44 PM
Post by: monterey on August 04, 2020, 12:21:41 PM
Post by: Mad Max on August 07, 2020, 07:36:51 PM
you built any other bow?
show some :thumbsup:
Post by: Bvas on August 07, 2020, 10:26:57 PM
Post by: zhangkeyang on August 08, 2020, 03:58:15 AM
Z-yang
you built any other bow?
show some :thumbsup:
Hi Mad Max,In the past I only made bows shaped like hill-hype and it’s my first time trying to make a bow shaped like RD. :)
Post by: Flem on August 08, 2020, 09:17:35 AM
Post by: Mad Max on August 08, 2020, 09:57:11 AM
Post by: zhangkeyang on August 08, 2020, 12:09:28 PM
Post by: monterey on August 08, 2020, 01:16:29 PM
Thanks :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Your avatar is hilarious. :)
Post by: zhangkeyang on August 09, 2020, 01:32:10 AM
Thanks :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Your avatar is hilarious. :)
Post by: Pat B on August 09, 2020, 07:53:26 AM
Post by: Shredd on August 09, 2020, 08:09:19 PM
Not to be negative... But you can keep them boxes... I just use an electric blanket now and never looked back... I bring it up to 110 to 120 degrees which is plenty to cure epoxy... Fold it up and takes very little space... I use the hot box as a kiln now...
Post by: Buemaker on August 10, 2020, 07:17:33 AM
Post by: monterey on August 10, 2020, 12:38:18 PM
Post by: Mad Max on August 10, 2020, 12:47:07 PM
Slick = Really Good :laugh:
Post by: Shredd on August 11, 2020, 10:06:27 PM
I'll make a nice granite table for the disc with a fine grit paper on it to do certain jobs...
Post by: Buemaker on August 12, 2020, 03:28:18 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 15, 2020, 09:33:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d2drhrI.jpg)
Post by: zhangkeyang on August 18, 2020, 06:37:08 AM
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 18, 2020, 08:50:21 AM
Post by: Longcruise on August 18, 2020, 10:26:29 AM
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Post by: Shredd on August 18, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
Post by: Bvas on August 18, 2020, 02:02:22 PM
Today longcruise layed up his very first bow. :)
You've got that laid out like a pro.
Did ya watch a YouTube video or something? :laughing:
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 18, 2020, 02:45:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/K3BGvQy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FLT6nT4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0Awcdhk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PpLNAlL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CBqVcIL.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on August 18, 2020, 04:00:59 PM
Probably smoke an arrow too :archer2:
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 18, 2020, 04:35:09 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on August 18, 2020, 05:35:57 PM
Me thinks the big crack my be on yur backside Roy :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 18, 2020, 06:08:24 PM
Post by: Longcruise on August 18, 2020, 10:18:28 PM
Post by: Longcruise on August 18, 2020, 10:21:21 PM
Today longcruise layed up his very first bow. :)
You've got that laid out like a pro.
Did ya watch a YouTube video or something? :laughing:
I been looking at all the pitchers you guys post here. Some Monterey guy had some that I used as a bad example which was a big help! :)
Post by: Flem on August 19, 2020, 09:50:42 AM
I love that you do all your layups outside :thumbsup: I would be afraid of skeeters in the ointment.
Speaking of Skeeter, where are you?
Post by: Longcruise on August 19, 2020, 01:35:08 PM
No skeeters but i start my lay ups early before it gets too hot. Hit 99 yesterday bit was about 70 during this project. I do almost everything outside cause my inside is a 5 X 10 alcove in the garage! :)
I'm in Colorado a ways NW of Denver. We are a pocket of sanity between Denver and Boulder. :)
Post by: Flem on August 19, 2020, 03:59:31 PM
Been there a couple of times to play in Eldorado canyon and drink beer in Boulder. Don't think I have ever been in a town with so many brew pubs :bigsmyl:
That Maple looks dark in the pic. Makes an awesome ASL :thumbsup:
Post by: skeaterbait on August 20, 2020, 05:43:59 AM
What ya got there, LongMike? Looks like Cherry from here.
I love that you do all your layups outside :thumbsup: I would be afraid of skeeters in the ointment.
Speaking of Skeeter, where are you?
I am still suffering the after math projects of a move that turned... cantankerous shall we say :banghead:. One project after another and none of them the ones I would like to be doing. I have a boat load of veneers I have cut just waiting to be used, just no time for them right now.
But I am now in a 30x50 shop on 7 acres, so once I get to building I have lots of room to bury arrows for my mower to find.
Post by: Longcruise on August 20, 2020, 10:47:37 AM
There is some nice country around you, Mike. Lots of recreating folks too!
Been there a couple of times to play in Eldorado canyon and drink beer in Boulder. Don't think I have ever been in a town with so many brew pubs :bigsmyl:
That Maple looks dark in the pic. Makes an awesome ASL :thumbsup:
Yeah, the recreating is amped way up during the pandemic. Then there's a whole lot of people who got nowhere to go but are tucked away in out of the way places in the mountains. There's a 14 day max per location in the NF but they seem to be leaving them alone.
Post by: ztontonz on August 23, 2020, 12:50:52 AM
Trying my hand at a first 3 piece.
Post by: Shredd on August 23, 2020, 09:33:05 AM
Post by: Shredd on August 23, 2020, 09:36:14 AM
Post by: Flem on August 23, 2020, 09:40:00 AM
Post by: Shredd on August 23, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
Post by: Shredd on August 23, 2020, 09:44:17 AM
Post by: Bvas on August 23, 2020, 10:21:28 AM
What are you using for pins on your TD?
Post by: Shredd on August 23, 2020, 11:52:14 AM
Post by: Longcruise on August 23, 2020, 01:36:07 PM
Post by: Mad Max on August 23, 2020, 06:38:06 PM
Post by: Bvas on August 24, 2020, 08:29:40 PM
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Post by: Flem on August 25, 2020, 09:44:01 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on August 25, 2020, 01:24:22 PM
Cool Brad..
Post by: Bvas on August 25, 2020, 05:57:00 PM
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Post by: Bvas on August 27, 2020, 02:41:49 PM
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Post by: Bvas on August 27, 2020, 08:18:05 PM
How about a pictorial on how to use it? I have a Dowell It that seems straight enough, but getting consistent alignment is a booger.It’s pretty similar in design to crooked stick and crittergetters jigs. Only difference is mine is a two pin and one bolt design. That way doesn’t matter which direction limbs or riser are facing.
Block is the same length as the limb pads and same thickness of material(1.70” for 1.75” material after initial sanding). Block will be bolted to the piece of granite, so riser and limbs can be clamped to it. I have two sets of drill guide inserts. One set for riser and one set for limbs.
Hope that helps. You’ll have to wait til I get the rest of my material for more pics.
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Post by: Crooked Stic on August 29, 2020, 06:21:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/GzvufTU.jpg)
Post by: Bvas on August 29, 2020, 07:05:39 PM
So you need that block mounted on a machined plate or the granite will work to by clamping it. To keep the same side down when drilling you need to be able to drill from each side of the block. This keeps one as straight as possible.The block is bolted to the granite.
I went with the bolt centered between two pins so that I am always drilling thru the jig the same direction and don’t have to flip the riser over.
Post by: Mad Max on August 29, 2020, 07:10:36 PM
How about a pictorial on how to use it? I have a Dowell It that seems straight enough, but getting consistent alignment is a booger.It’s pretty similar in design to crooked stick and crittergetters jigs. Only difference is mine is a two pin and one bolt design. That way doesn’t matter which direction limbs or riser are facing.
Block is the same length as the limb pads and same thickness of material(1.70” for 1.75” material after initial sanding). Block will be bolted to the piece of granite, so riser and limbs can be clamped to it. I have two sets of drill guide inserts. One set for riser and one set for limbs.
Hope that helps. You’ll have to wait til I get the rest of my material for more pics.
You should have laid the drill jig on it side when you took this picture B-Rad ;)
Post by: Bvas on August 29, 2020, 08:21:24 PM
Post by: Mad Max on August 29, 2020, 09:01:15 PM
Post by: Bvas on August 29, 2020, 09:16:36 PM
I got to get me a slab of Granite :)I got a whole stack of them. My FIL gave them to me. They are sink cutouts from a hotel remodel.
Post by: skeaterbait on August 29, 2020, 10:49:18 PM
Do you clamp a backing board on the limbs to keep from splintering the glass on through holes?
Post by: Bvas on August 30, 2020, 11:29:25 AM
Do you clamp a backing board on the limbs to keep from splintering the glass on through holes?
That’s what I intend to do. You pretty much have to with this design, or you would be putting the hold down clamps directly On the fiberglass.
But I will probably also put wood overlays on both the back and belly side of the limb pads prior to drilling.
Post by: Crooked Stic on August 30, 2020, 04:08:11 PM
Post by: zhangkeyang on September 06, 2020, 11:43:52 AM
Post by: Mad Max on September 06, 2020, 03:00:24 PM
How long is that going to be?
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 07, 2020, 06:28:51 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/igjwLzJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2G5GZkj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R3qhhyZ.jpg)
Post by: kennym on September 07, 2020, 08:37:47 AM
Good looking bow too!
Post by: Mad Max on September 07, 2020, 08:44:08 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 07, 2020, 08:51:49 AM
Post by: BO-R on September 07, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
combo of maple/black dymond wood/bocote.
will be sandwiched between .030 maple and bubinga.
Post by: Stagmitis on September 07, 2020, 01:16:40 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 07, 2020, 04:14:30 PM
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Post by: mmattockx on September 07, 2020, 06:51:03 PM
BO-R
picture is not working
None of the forum hosted pictures are working, the forum must be having issues.
Mark
Post by: kennym on September 07, 2020, 08:11:51 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 07, 2020, 09:10:20 PM
Post by: kennym on September 07, 2020, 09:27:59 PM
Thanks Rob and Roy
Post by: Bvas on September 07, 2020, 09:59:06 PM
Since...”it didn’t happen wifiut pitcher” :biglaugh:
Post by: 4 point on September 07, 2020, 10:25:14 PM
Post by: Shredd on September 08, 2020, 12:35:25 AM
Post by: Bvas on September 08, 2020, 11:59:04 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 08, 2020, 12:22:12 PM
Yer a good man for taking him in and fixing him up.
Post by: Bvas on September 08, 2020, 01:48:08 PM
I just figured Kenny had been teaching him to use the disc sander. :dunno: :laughing:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 08, 2020, 03:12:11 PM
Post by: kennym on September 08, 2020, 06:08:44 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 08, 2020, 08:18:19 PM
When that happen???
Post by: kennym on September 08, 2020, 09:00:31 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 08, 2020, 09:14:46 PM
It's coming together. :thumbsup:
Have you glued up the limbs?
Post by: 4 point on September 08, 2020, 10:43:13 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 09, 2020, 04:58:58 AM
I made them traditional ya know?
That's how I learnt to knapp...
:laughing:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 09, 2020, 05:00:08 AM
Post by: zhangkeyang on September 09, 2020, 05:04:55 AM
Post by: kennym on September 09, 2020, 08:26:33 AM
Brad looks sweet.
Got a pic of him?
Travis, he's about a year old according to vet. Think he's gonna be a pretty good dog... Like we needed another one.. :dunno:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 09, 2020, 08:48:47 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 09, 2020, 08:52:31 AM
Post by: Bvas on September 09, 2020, 08:54:59 AM
Max, just got the material for limbs yesterday. Will be glueing up the first limb this evening.
Post by: kennym on September 09, 2020, 09:07:25 AM
Post by: kennym on September 09, 2020, 09:08:51 AM
Post by: Bvas on September 09, 2020, 09:12:59 AM
It has been in dry storage for over three years.
Post by: kennym on September 09, 2020, 09:40:57 AM
Post by: Bvas on September 09, 2020, 04:40:04 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on September 09, 2020, 05:48:29 PM
Post by: ztontonz on September 09, 2020, 06:32:35 PM
Still working on the limb design. Trying to figure out how much is too much :bigsmyl:
Post by: skeaterbait on September 09, 2020, 06:54:50 PM
:archer2:
I like that profile, very nice.
Post by: Bvas on September 10, 2020, 04:35:42 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on September 10, 2020, 04:38:16 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 10, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
One limb off the form. Number two on.
If only it was a Recurve :tongue: :tongue: :biglaugh:
Post by: Bvas on September 10, 2020, 08:33:28 PM
Why? :dunno:
If only it was a Recurve :tongue: :tongue: :biglaugh:
I prefer fast and quiet to slow and loud. :biglaugh: :jumper: :biglaugh:
Post by: Mad Max on September 10, 2020, 09:31:10 PM
Post by: Bvas on September 13, 2020, 09:00:49 PM
Hopefully I can mount limbs sometime this week and see what I’ve got.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on September 14, 2020, 05:56:30 AM
Post by: Bvas on September 14, 2020, 08:51:09 AM
What's the pins for, it got a crack in it already?:)Those are stabilizing bars to help control the power. :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 14, 2020, 09:01:11 AM
:laughing:
Post by: Bvas on September 14, 2020, 10:05:50 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 14, 2020, 12:30:30 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 14, 2020, 09:18:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MT3Yib1.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 15, 2020, 06:30:56 AM
Post by: ztontonz on September 21, 2020, 03:19:58 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 21, 2020, 05:31:23 PM
Post by: ztontonz on September 21, 2020, 05:44:57 PM
Post by: Mad Max on September 21, 2020, 07:48:28 PM
Post by: Bvas on September 21, 2020, 08:50:13 PM
I thought that was upper and lower limb. :biglaugh:
Post by: Shredd on September 21, 2020, 09:32:31 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on September 21, 2020, 09:52:25 PM
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Post by: Buemaker on September 22, 2020, 03:50:53 PM
Post by: Shredd on September 22, 2020, 05:05:47 PM
ztonz.... here is a pic of that design... your standard r/d bow... i don't post pics of the whole bow any more because most have seen it and it's nothing new...
bue... i thought it was purple and my girl at the time said it was not... so after a little discussion she said look, this is purple and she showed me a sample of the color... she was right... :biglaugh: so i called this color wine...
excuse my penmanship... my computer got issues and my capitols don't work so well...
Post by: Buemaker on September 22, 2020, 05:25:25 PM
Post by: ztontonz on September 22, 2020, 05:34:21 PM
Post by: Buemaker on September 22, 2020, 05:54:04 PM
Post by: skeaterbait on September 22, 2020, 06:08:59 PM
Post by: Buemaker on September 22, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on September 22, 2020, 06:22:25 PM
Post by: Bvas on September 22, 2020, 06:47:32 PM
I finally got a string on my first take down. Seems to be pretty quick and quiet. But may just be “new bow syndrome”. :biglaugh:
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Post by: Roy from Pa on September 22, 2020, 07:02:52 PM
Post by: Bvas on September 22, 2020, 07:10:09 PM
I put a rubber/fiber gasket between riser and limbs and put wax on pins.
Post by: Shredd on September 22, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
That is a good design, I bet a speed in excess of 190 feet with 9 grains pr pound bow weight
good eye bue... you are probably right... this model shoots up to 184 @ 10 gpp...
nice bow bvas...
Post by: Mad Max on September 22, 2020, 09:00:08 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on September 23, 2020, 08:24:44 AM
Always use a new one :bigsmyl: or it smells like hiney ho. :laughing:
Post by: ztontonz on September 23, 2020, 10:40:05 AM
Post by: Buemaker on September 23, 2020, 02:06:14 PM
Post by: Bvas on September 23, 2020, 02:29:21 PM
Z-The bow has .003 taper, but has wider tips (9/16” at grooves) than normal for me.
Post by: Fishinglink on September 30, 2020, 08:07:44 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 01, 2020, 06:32:18 AM
Do you have a fetish for skunks?
:laughing:
Post by: skeaterbait on October 02, 2020, 06:27:02 AM
Now, if I could just find some time to build a bow again.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 02, 2020, 08:32:20 AM
I have the same thing but with the longer table.
But it does like to eat fingers and knuckles right down to the bone:)
Post by: Buemaker on October 02, 2020, 08:49:25 AM
Post by: Mad Max on October 02, 2020, 09:00:37 AM
Post by: Shredd on October 02, 2020, 11:31:38 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on October 02, 2020, 09:59:50 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 04, 2020, 06:59:20 PM
Grunt calls anyone? 😁
Now all I need is to get out into the woods.
Dave.
Post by: kennym on October 04, 2020, 08:45:40 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 04, 2020, 08:49:59 PM
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 05, 2020, 06:13:00 AM
Post by: Flem on October 05, 2020, 10:29:47 AM
If thats your work Dave, my hats off to you :notworthy:
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 05, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
Post by: Mad Max on October 05, 2020, 12:12:40 PM
Post by: Buemaker on October 05, 2020, 01:37:07 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 05, 2020, 05:16:29 PM
The box is for a good friend that I hunt with. He loves fishing.
I need to get some finish on the calls. The best one is going to be sent to another friend in Ohio who’s in the hospital being treated for leukaemia.
I’m pissed that I can’t visit him because of this stupid virus.
Dave.
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 05, 2020, 05:20:12 PM
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 05, 2020, 06:09:26 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 05, 2020, 07:27:28 PM
I’m glad you like it. Picture something like it about three times the size on a front door with light from the house shining through the glass where the moon is.
And a pair of matching side lights.
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 05, 2020, 09:13:44 PM
Post by: Flem on October 06, 2020, 09:46:14 AM
Post by: wood carver 2 on October 06, 2020, 04:16:07 PM
Post by: Bvas on October 10, 2020, 08:14:29 PM
Can’t wait to build myself one.
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Post by: wood carver 2 on October 10, 2020, 09:26:35 PM
Dave.
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 11, 2020, 04:48:19 AM
Post by: kennym on October 11, 2020, 08:39:11 AM
Post by: Mad Max on October 11, 2020, 09:57:47 AM
Post by: Shredd on October 11, 2020, 11:27:21 AM
Can we see a 28" draw on that girl?
Post by: Bvas on October 11, 2020, 01:44:20 PM
Nice one, B... She looks quick... Let me know when you get one perfect... Been trying for years... :)This is actually closer to 29”.
Can we see a 28" draw on that girl?
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Post by: Mad Max on October 11, 2020, 04:16:25 PM
I got some string wax from 3Rivers Archery today.
USPS took 59 days to deliver the package, Date on package is Aug. 13th.
We will see how the USPS ships my next stuff in November
Post by: Bvas on October 11, 2020, 06:55:40 PM
Nice BvasI hope it doesn’t take that long for my mohair fabric to get here :o
I got some string wax from 3Rivers Archery today.
USPS took 59 days to deliver the package, Date on package is Aug. 13th.
We will see how the USPS ships my next stuff in November
Post by: Crooked Stic on October 11, 2020, 09:22:39 PM
Post by: Mad Max on October 16, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Fba36rj.jpg)
Cut one side to 1-3/4"
(https://i.imgur.com/ufiZj3j.jpg)
And cut it to 22" and split the short piece
Cut the other on on a angle to make it longer.
(https://i.imgur.com/LOF1UNw.jpg)
see the paper pattern next to the riser
(https://i.imgur.com/Oo6JG8S.jpg)
I added a flat stripe---time to glue up
(https://i.imgur.com/wkYWnuB.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 16, 2020, 03:21:25 PM
Post by: Mad Max on October 16, 2020, 04:51:45 PM
Post by: flntknp17 on October 16, 2020, 10:30:35 PM
Matt
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Post by: Roy from Pa on October 17, 2020, 05:35:48 AM
Post by: Stagmitis on October 17, 2020, 09:22:13 AM
How much backset did you start out with for it to hold an inch after it was shot in?
Post by: Eric Krewson on October 17, 2020, 09:57:47 AM
Post by: Mad Max on October 17, 2020, 10:34:10 AM
On the next one the high point of the arrow shelf needs to be in line with the deep part of the grip ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/6VbOlkH.jpg)
Post by: Shredd on October 17, 2020, 11:06:05 AM
Post by: flntknp17 on October 17, 2020, 11:22:53 AM
Looks really good :thumbsup:
On the next one the high point of the arrow shelf needs to be in line with the deep part of the grip ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/6VbOlkH.jpg)
I agree with you completely......this was an experiment at best because I almost never cut an arrow shelf into wooden bows. I got a wild hair on this one. I did ponder radiusing the shelf as your diagram shows, but that tropical wood is CRAZY HARD and I was afraid I’d mess up the maple so I left it with the radius it had. Seems to shoot really well.
Thanks
Matt
Post by: flntknp17 on October 17, 2020, 11:26:25 AM
Flnt VERY Nice eliptical tiller and bend at full draw!
How much backset did you start out with for it to hold an inch after it was shot in?
I typically start with 3” of glued in reflex when I apply my normal bamboo backing. The boo backed bows lose maybe 1/2” to spring back, but the hickory lost a full inch so the bow started with 2” of reflex before I started tillering.
Matt
Post by: Mad Max on October 17, 2020, 01:55:04 PM
I don't like to cut in a shelf on anything but Glass bows ;)
Post by: Mad Max on October 19, 2020, 05:05:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yMEtgvn.jpg)
Post by: ztontonz on October 19, 2020, 06:20:34 PM
Post by: ztontonz on October 19, 2020, 06:23:13 PM
Hopefully I will glue the first limb on this form tonight.
Post by: Mad Max on October 19, 2020, 06:30:09 PM
Can't wait to see this one with that hook.
I've made a few myself
(https://i.imgur.com/fomsTfS.jpg?1)
Post by: Fishinglink on October 19, 2020, 07:04:03 PM
Post by: bigbob2 on October 19, 2020, 11:25:37 PM
Post by: ztontonz on October 19, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
Post by: flyonline on October 20, 2020, 04:45:04 AM
63" NTN, 57lb @28"
(https://i.imgur.com/u5il5TU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xAcwaJf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mp9YslY.jpg)
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I initially thought the right limb in the braced/full draw pics would be the bottom as it's a hair stiffer, but it feels a little better in the hand as the top limb. Not much hand shock, so now I need to add an arrow pass and a handle wrap. Finished with beeswax, which made the toasty wood darken up nicely. It didn't take me long to get confident with it and would be happy shooting it out to hunting distances with a 550gr (~9gpp) arrow. Fast she ain't, but it is whisper quiet - with a leather side-plate I reckon a bees fart would be louder.
Steve
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 20, 2020, 05:45:09 AM
Nice work guys.
Post by: Mad Max on October 20, 2020, 09:14:39 AM
Thanks Roy
Post by: Mad Max on October 20, 2020, 09:41:56 AM
How wide is it?
Post by: Flem on October 20, 2020, 09:44:05 AM
Post by: Pat B on October 20, 2020, 11:18:03 AM
Post by: mmattockx on October 20, 2020, 11:23:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RMl1nFW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pgeHr3q.jpg)
Mark
Post by: Flem on October 20, 2020, 11:27:20 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 20, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
Post by: ztontonz on October 20, 2020, 12:41:22 PM
Post by: mmattockx on October 20, 2020, 03:11:31 PM
Nice! Looks good Mark :thumbsup: How did you true your drum?
I tried first on my wood lathe and got it not bad, but certainly not perfect. After that a friend cleaned it up further on his metal lathe and it is very close now.
Mark
Post by: kennym on October 20, 2020, 04:14:02 PM
Post by: Mad Max on October 20, 2020, 04:39:33 PM
Dug 75' of propane line . This new deck thing shoulda been done when its not bow season... :laughing:
:banghead: :knothead: :smileystooges: :bigsmyl:
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 20, 2020, 05:40:38 PM
Post by: kennym on October 20, 2020, 06:44:46 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 20, 2020, 07:37:11 PM
Post by: ztontonz on October 20, 2020, 07:40:57 PM
Post by: ztontonz on October 20, 2020, 11:20:42 PM
Post by: Mad Max on October 21, 2020, 12:20:27 AM
Post by: flyonline on October 21, 2020, 01:27:44 AM
That is a beautiful circular tiller :thumbsup: No wasted limb wood on that one!
Thanks Flem, it took me a bit to work out how to tiller it, as this is the first bendy handle I've done. I went with just slightly stiff tips so I guess it's really very slightly elliptical.
Great tiller on a nice ash bow. Ash is one of those bow woods I don't have luck with. Everyone I've made fretted but I never heat treated an ash bow either. Well done on this ash bow. :notworthy: :thumbsup:
Thanks Pat, so far no fretting after a couple of hundred shots..... I was a little afraid it would and found a few little marks when tillering but discovered it was actually my scraper that was making the marks - with a file/rasp they disappeared and never came back :pray:
Nice work Flyonline!
Thanks, this is the first bow I'm happy with the tiller.
Flyonline
How wide is it?
Thanks Mark, it's a tickle over 1.25" wide x .75" at the handle tapering straight to 5/8 x .5 at the tips. I plan on doing something like a pyramid next time, nice 'n' wide :thumbsup:
Post by: flyonline on October 21, 2020, 01:28:47 AM
First limb off the form. Glue lines looking good.
You chasing whales with hooks like that? :laughing: :laughing:
Post by: Flem on October 21, 2020, 10:34:25 AM
Guess that depends on which part of the ellipse you are looking at :saywhat:
Post by: mmattockx on October 21, 2020, 10:58:00 AM
Back when I built mine, the lathe didn’t solve it cause I had issue aligning the cylinder on the frame. What worked for me was to lay sand paper on the bottom board and rectify the cylinder in his final position on the frame
Yeah, a true cylinder is only one part of the alignment. I am going to have to shim the bottom board a touch to get it perfect with the drum surface, but that isn't too major of a problem.
Those are wicked hooks on your new limbs, I look forward to seeing how it all looks and bends when complete.
Mark
Post by: ztontonz on October 21, 2020, 01:01:55 PM
How long is that bow going to be Z ?
Well, my initial plan was to do a 60”. But I noticed last night that I screwed up the wedges length/position. So my current plan is to build it as a 64”, run some test and then drill holes to make 60”.
It’s part of prototyping. No mistake. All part of the learning curve
Post by: Shredd on October 21, 2020, 01:17:31 PM
Post by: ztontonz on October 21, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
I was thinking of making 2 sets of grooves for test purposes
Post by: Mad Max on October 21, 2020, 04:44:39 PM
Hey Max how many inch past the hook did you cut your nocks? 2”?
I was thinking of making 2 sets of grooves for test purposes
1-1/2", I think longer could be better
I want to see the string angle at full draw, looks like your limb is short, it might make it open up NICE :thumbsup:
Post by: ztontonz on October 21, 2020, 05:58:41 PM
WoW, Z.... Looks extreme... What is the radius near the tip??
That would be close 1.75” sir
Post by: ztontonz on October 21, 2020, 05:59:33 PM
Post by: ztontonz on October 22, 2020, 05:34:13 PM
Post by: Mad Max on October 22, 2020, 06:03:31 PM
:thumbsup:
Post by: ztontonz on October 22, 2020, 08:13:43 PM
Post by: zhangkeyang on October 23, 2020, 02:03:27 AM
Post by: Flem on October 23, 2020, 09:50:26 AM
Post by: zhangkeyang on October 23, 2020, 12:57:13 PM
Looks good Key! I want a 3-D printer! So is it ABS plastic? That stuff is a little soft, wondering how it will hold up with metal inserts in it.Hello Flem：It’s made of PLA.For it’s softer than metal I made it thicker than the old way.The screws are mounted in right after heated.
Post by: ztontonz on October 26, 2020, 01:19:23 AM
What’s your riser made of? These limbs in the back ground look interesting too.
Post by: ztontonz on October 26, 2020, 01:21:35 AM
Got the limbs bolted ro the riser. Need the cut the tips next
Post by: zhangkeyang on October 26, 2020, 06:53:56 AM
:goldtooth:
Looking forward to your recurve bow! :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on October 26, 2020, 09:24:39 AM
Post by: Flem on October 26, 2020, 10:54:56 AM
Post by: ztontonz on October 26, 2020, 11:51:11 AM
Post by: BO-R on October 26, 2020, 05:32:38 PM
Made slow progress this weekend.Are those tips static?..any tip wedges?
Got the limbs bolted ro the riser. Need the cut the tips next
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 26, 2020, 07:19:56 PM
9'10" longbow:)
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Post by: Mad Max on October 26, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
What year are you going to do that? :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 26, 2020, 08:12:51 PM
Post by: zhangkeyang on October 27, 2020, 01:15:45 AM
Is that going to be heavy, Key?
:archer2:
755g(1.6lb)
Post by: Pat B on October 27, 2020, 09:54:48 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 27, 2020, 10:37:14 AM
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Post by: Buemaker on October 27, 2020, 10:40:28 AM
Post by: Pat B on October 27, 2020, 12:06:27 PM
Post by: kennym on October 27, 2020, 12:36:49 PM
ELB
Nice tips ...
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 27, 2020, 04:16:41 PM
These staves are freshly cut a month ago.
So gonna be a long while till they are dry enough.
Post by: Stagmitis on October 27, 2020, 06:58:51 PM
Post by: zhangkeyang on October 28, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
Hey Key thats pretty cool! I still have print film photos from the bowyer (before digital and internet) when I inquired over twenty years ago about his bows.
Hello mister,The bow is already old as I am and I found it in a flea market,from a bowyer. The moment I saw it I found it cool......I’d also like to know its stories behind. :thumbsup:
Post by: flntknp17 on October 28, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
Matt
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b36/flntknp17/IMG_9742.jpg)
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Post by: Mad Max on October 28, 2020, 12:21:11 PM
Awesome job and a great story :clapper:
more pictures, Let us see the Boo side :thumbsup:
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 28, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
Good job.
Post by: Flem on October 28, 2020, 02:16:10 PM
Nice job, its perfect from here
Post by: Pat B on October 28, 2020, 02:49:25 PM
Post by: flntknp17 on October 29, 2020, 09:27:36 AM
Some woods just want to be a bow
Awesome job and a great story :clapper:
more pictures, Let us see the Boo side :thumbsup:
Here is the boo side after I finished sanding yesterday. I'm going to stain the boo darker since this bow is planned for hunting from simple groundblinds.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b36/flntknp17/IMG_9875.jpg)
Post by: Mad Max on October 29, 2020, 09:37:35 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on October 29, 2020, 09:59:18 AM
Post by: Mad Max on November 03, 2020, 08:41:11 AM
From PA
(https://i.imgur.com/le6jIMT.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 03, 2020, 08:46:38 AM
Pa started antler restrictions about 15 years ago and there are a ton of awesome bucks in Pa now.
Post by: Mad Max on November 03, 2020, 09:20:23 AM
Post by: Pat B on November 03, 2020, 09:37:13 AM
Post by: Shredd on November 03, 2020, 01:37:36 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 03, 2020, 03:10:32 PM
Post by: Stagmitis on November 03, 2020, 10:23:57 PM
Post by: mmattockx on November 03, 2020, 11:38:08 PM
Hey Shredd what are those things? They kinda look like diaper pins... :scared:
http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=173769.0
Mark
Post by: Flem on November 04, 2020, 09:33:53 AM
Post by: Shredd on November 04, 2020, 11:17:09 AM
Stag... Look at the link mattock posted..
Post by: Stagmitis on November 04, 2020, 11:28:39 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 04, 2020, 04:51:43 PM
My grandson Anthony, who is a junior at the University of Pittsburgh college and on the soccer team, has come down with covid19. 8 other players on the soccer team have it too.
A few prayers would help, thanks.
Roy
Post by: Stagmitis on November 04, 2020, 05:06:03 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on November 04, 2020, 05:13:15 PM
Dave.
Post by: kennym on November 04, 2020, 06:56:57 PM
Post by: Mad Max on November 04, 2020, 07:40:13 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 04, 2020, 08:48:15 PM
My mom just over hers. She 92 and pulled thru okay.
Post by: Mad Max on November 04, 2020, 09:15:59 PM
Best of luck to him Roy.
My mom just over hers. She 92 and pulled thru okay.
Awesome :thumbsup:
Post by: Pat B on November 04, 2020, 09:49:28 PM
Post by: flntknp17 on November 04, 2020, 11:35:53 PM
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Post by: mmattockx on November 05, 2020, 12:44:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lWE938m.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AByJ1lw.jpg)
Mark
Post by: Flem on November 05, 2020, 01:34:04 PM
Matt, that leather dye looks like it really soaked in. Looks great :thumbsup:
How you adjusting your table, Mark?
Post by: Buemaker on November 05, 2020, 03:19:45 PM
Post by: Buemaker on November 05, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
That thickness sander looks fine.
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 05, 2020, 03:33:45 PM
Post by: mmattockx on November 05, 2020, 04:12:10 PM
How you adjusting your table, Mark?
You can't see it, but the bottom board is hinged on the far side of the sander frame and there is a carriage bolt through the frame that lets me tilt it up and down. The boards that are clamped on were just to fill space enough to let me push a couple test pieces through without a sled. Under normal operation the sleds will ride directly on the tilting table.
Mark
Post by: Flem on November 06, 2020, 10:42:41 AM
But its amazing how you can be off a few thousands side to side just from hand feed pressure.
Post by: Shredd on November 06, 2020, 12:31:53 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 06, 2020, 12:46:39 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 08, 2020, 05:10:16 AM
Mostly for the wife but I'm allowed to drive it:)
2021 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited...
4 cylinder with a turbo charger, 270hp.. Damn...
Post by: Mad Max on November 08, 2020, 07:11:43 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 08, 2020, 07:47:37 AM
They can be money pits.
Get you some Wild Boar handles they help older folks :bigsmyl: get in better.
https://www.quadratec.com/products/14018_15X0_PG.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6aDwkv3y7AIVjMDACh3_bQbNEAQYASABEgJs3PD_BwE
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 08, 2020, 07:50:12 AM
Neat part is the back seats fold down forward, making a nice flat place for 180 pounds of 2 female labs...
My truck is too high to be lifting them in and out and her trucks back seat was too small.
Post by: wood carver 2 on November 08, 2020, 08:03:50 AM
Dave.
Post by: Eric Krewson on November 08, 2020, 08:58:20 AM
When we have this stuff done and are in poor shape after the operation we swear we will never feel right again.
Last night I turned the corner, no more walker or even a cane and I could lay down and bed and not feel like I was wrapped up in barbed wire like I had felt since my operation.
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 08, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
:pray:
Post by: Longcruise on November 08, 2020, 10:54:34 AM
Post by: Flem on November 08, 2020, 11:01:31 AM
Your a brave man Eric :notworthy: I can't imagine having the head of my femur sawn off.
Glad you made it past the pain threshold. I can't take pain meds either.
Post by: Shredd on November 08, 2020, 11:18:33 AM
Just remember... Pain cleanses the mind... When you are in great pain nothing else matters...
Post by: Shredd on November 08, 2020, 11:19:59 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 08, 2020, 12:14:52 PM
No it's not a hybrid.
Post by: Bvas on November 08, 2020, 02:27:58 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 08, 2020, 05:38:23 PM
Post by: Mad Max on November 08, 2020, 07:24:32 PM
She has a lot better taste in vehicles than she does in men. :laughing:
x2 :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
Post by: Autumnarcher on November 09, 2020, 07:46:38 PM
Did a lil shop rearranging today. Small shop sure has its challenges. Same footprint on everything and trying to squeeze a lil more room to work. Its like turning the clocks back and thinkin yer adding an hour to the day. Anyway, I think this arrangement gonna work out pretty good. At least now I can get to the table saw and chop saw
Post by: Mad Max on November 16, 2020, 07:00:22 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mfTtB4k.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 16, 2020, 07:27:50 PM
Post by: Mad Max on November 16, 2020, 07:57:06 PM
3" x 1" wide at the cut
Post by: Mike Mecredy on November 16, 2020, 08:23:20 PM
Post by: mmattockx on November 16, 2020, 09:21:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/MRWbrOh.jpg)
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Used it for its first real work this afternoon, grinding a bend test sample for a red oak lam bow I am working on. Did a great job, kept thickness to within 0.001" over an 18" long piece.
I just realized I caught my helper in the second pic. He is a 16 year old pug/beagle cross who likes to keep an eye on the shop proceedings.
Mark
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 16, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
Nice drum sander..
Post by: Shredd on November 16, 2020, 11:26:00 PM
Post by: Flem on November 17, 2020, 09:44:29 AM
Looks like you have some good company also!
Post by: David Flanrey on November 17, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
Post by: mmattockx on November 17, 2020, 02:15:15 PM
Your sander looks excellent Mark :thumbsup: Did you make a channel on the table for your sled to ride in?
Looks like you have some good company also!
Thanks for all the comments. I did put a couple rails on the table to keep the sled in the middle. I am anchoring the sanding paper on the drum with a #10 screw on each end, so the screw heads stand proud of the drum surface and the sled needs to stay centred to not get gouged up.
Should have been hunting.
Isn't that most days, though? :cheesy:
Mark
Post by: Buemaker on November 17, 2020, 03:06:11 PM
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Post by: Longcruise on November 19, 2020, 11:40:14 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 20, 2020, 04:19:01 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on November 20, 2020, 06:22:01 PM
Got rear ended on Monday (my truck, not me🤔), then a pipe burst in the house on Wednesday, and dealing with a drama queen at work.
Early Black Friday sale, $100 off!
There’s a big pile of walnut at my buddies place that has been calling me. 😁
Dave.
Post by: Flem on November 20, 2020, 06:41:08 PM
The mad scientist at work, is it OSHA approved?
No, but I might submit it for a Darwin Award :scared:
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 20, 2020, 06:59:40 PM
Fixed the picture for ya David.
You got it Flem.
Post by: Longcruise on November 20, 2020, 07:48:31 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on November 20, 2020, 07:53:32 PM
The water damage wasn’t as bad as it could have been. It missed my books that are stored in the basement, and yesterday, I finally got mad at the drama queen and he might have quit. This guy was hired less than two months ago and he thought he ran the shop. The guys I work with are a good bunch. Big relief!
If it’s not raining this weekend I’ll try out the saw. 😁
Dave.
Post by: Autumnarcher on November 20, 2020, 08:22:31 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on November 20, 2020, 08:49:10 PM
I already have a reputation as a grumpy old fart.
I just told him to do his job and he stormed off in a huff. Left a truck driver who was waiting for some paperwork and went home. 😢
Dave.
Post by: wood carver 2 on November 20, 2020, 08:52:24 PM
Dave.
Post by: Flem on November 20, 2020, 11:07:59 PM
Post by: wood carver 2 on November 21, 2020, 10:39:21 AM
Dave.
Post by: Longcruise on November 21, 2020, 10:00:29 PM
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Post by: Flem on November 22, 2020, 04:36:33 PM
But I did see where people were making their own out of RTV gasket maker, but that was going to be way too sticky to get in the gasket channel. Then I saw this oogoo stuff. Its just silicone caulking, corn starch and coloring. Sets up real fast because of the corn starch, but it also makes it less sticky, so I could actually press it in and level it with a little screed tool. Best part is I didn't have to wait a week to get another crappy hard rubber gasket.
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Post by: Autumnarcher on November 22, 2020, 05:11:40 PM
So I ordered a Dust Deputy cyclone gizmo, and will be upgrading to a Harbor Freight 1550 cfm collector hopefully next week. I"ll have less $$$ in both than if I buy one of those fancy name brand dust suckers.
Now Im lookin at fittings etc to hard pipe my system and get all fancy and professional looking with it.
That edge sander spews out dust more than politicians spew out empty promises. Gotta tame that thing. Did some serious RedGreen engineering on it with some cardboard and duct tape and its better even with the smaller collector but what i need is more suction.
Was toying with hunting tonight but my wife said shes gonna sit in my blind so Im makin a bear roast for dinner. ( her bear) and shopping DC parts and fitting on the puter
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 23, 2020, 04:46:22 PM
Post by: Autumnarcher on November 23, 2020, 05:15:15 PM
John you will love the Dust Deputy cyclone.
It should def improve things, everything Ive read on them has been very positive. As for t he new DC, called Harbor Freight and there is supposed to be a couple of em on the truck Wed morning so will call first thing and if so make the 2 hr drive over to pick it up. Can at least run that bigger single stage until the DD shows up to hook in. WIfe wasnt happy about buyin more shop stuff but she knows the dust is an issue that needs improvement.
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 23, 2020, 05:29:09 PM
Post by: Shredd on November 23, 2020, 06:16:19 PM
I've had the dust deputy for years and they are very effective. 99.9% of the sawdust stays in the bucket its mounted on and practically nothing goes into my shop vac. I was impressed with the results.
true story....
Post by: Autumnarcher on November 25, 2020, 08:05:20 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 25, 2020, 09:59:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/7wspne3.jpg)
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Post by: Crooked Stic on November 25, 2020, 10:03:08 PM
So I need to get tested Friday myself. No symtoms so far tho.
Post by: Pat B on November 25, 2020, 10:54:24 PM
Post by: Shredd on November 25, 2020, 10:57:00 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 26, 2020, 05:16:17 AM
Post by: Mad Max on November 26, 2020, 06:35:04 AM
Sorry to hear that Mike. Wishing you both the very best.
x2
Post by: kennym on November 26, 2020, 10:02:16 AM
Sorry to hear that Mike. Wishing you both the very best.
x2
X3
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 26, 2020, 10:05:51 AM
Be careful Kenny:)
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Post by: Crooked Stic on November 26, 2020, 10:50:12 AM
Post by: flntknp17 on November 26, 2020, 02:17:51 PM
Matt
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Post by: Pat B on November 26, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 26, 2020, 07:13:14 PM
Post by: Mad Max on November 26, 2020, 07:29:24 PM
Post by: Bvas on November 26, 2020, 08:38:58 PM
Whipped up a batch of jerky last night.
Be careful Kenny:)
Careful Kenny???? Guess that means I’m open for comments.
Did you invent jerky? And that’s how it got it’s name?
Crusty meat for a crusty old.....
Maybe I better stop before I get ahead of Pat on the whoopin list :biglaugh:
Happy Thanksgiving!!!!
Post by: Bvas on November 26, 2020, 08:41:39 PM
Looks like you’re getting just about everything out of that shorty!!!
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 27, 2020, 05:49:02 AM
Happy smarty pants?:)
Post by: Autumnarcher on November 27, 2020, 09:01:27 AM
If you use the bigger dust deputy. you can mount that blower on the wall and run the pipe outside and get rid of that bag thing. Mine puts 99.9 percent of all the dust in the drum. The only time it got any outside was when my drum got full. Using the 4 in. model.
(https://i.imgur.com/7wspne3.jpg)
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Thats what I'm thinking Im gonna do with mine, pipe it oustide. Do you notice any issues with sucking all the heat out of the shop if its running for a while like when making tapers etc? Also, did you notice very much reduction in airflow after attaching the dust deputy? My DD will be here Monday then can get it all hooked up. The filter bag is only 5 micron so Im leaning towards ducting it straight outside. Thanks for posting the pics, very helpful.
Post by: Shredd on November 27, 2020, 11:06:53 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 27, 2020, 01:48:39 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 28, 2020, 11:58:54 AM
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Post by: Shredd on November 28, 2020, 01:01:41 PM
Post by: Pat B on November 28, 2020, 02:41:44 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 28, 2020, 02:48:52 PM
Post by: Longcruise on November 28, 2020, 03:27:06 PM
Cleaned up the bow shop this morning, always a dusty job and hard on eyes and sinus.
That picture is hard on my eyes! :o
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 28, 2020, 04:24:15 PM
Post by: Mad Max on November 28, 2020, 05:07:38 PM
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
Can't find my blaze orange hammer
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 28, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Post by: Mad Max on November 28, 2020, 09:28:12 PM
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This is the shaving from one of them.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on November 29, 2020, 04:46:38 AM
Post by: Autumnarcher on November 29, 2020, 05:26:06 PM
Post by: Buemaker on November 30, 2020, 08:45:20 AM
Post by: Buemaker on November 30, 2020, 08:47:34 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 30, 2020, 09:00:11 AM
Post by: Buemaker on November 30, 2020, 09:17:55 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 30, 2020, 09:26:22 AM
Post by: kennym on November 30, 2020, 10:16:43 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 30, 2020, 10:17:23 AM
Post by: Pat B on November 30, 2020, 10:21:59 AM
Post by: kennym on November 30, 2020, 11:07:10 AM
I should top the thumpin list soon...
Post by: Roy from Pa on November 30, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
Post by: Pat B on November 30, 2020, 11:55:24 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on November 30, 2020, 12:49:59 PM
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 01, 2020, 08:41:22 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 01, 2020, 09:26:48 PM
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 02, 2020, 08:02:17 AM
Looking good. get yourself a remote from Menards or Lowes.
Already have one. I can't imagine how I got along with out one before.
Post by: Shredd on December 02, 2020, 09:39:25 AM
Post by: Pat B on December 02, 2020, 10:46:18 AM
Post by: Longcruise on December 02, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 02, 2020, 01:37:40 PM
Post by: Longcruise on December 02, 2020, 03:49:30 PM
Mike, maybe that's what happened to your hair?:)
Yeah, maybe. :)
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 03, 2020, 06:45:43 AM
Are you guys grounding the air flow systems?
For now I decided not to, Ive read mixed bag of opinions on it, some say yes, others say not necessary. I,ll run it a while and see if I have static issues. If so I can ground it easily enough.
Post by: Shredd on December 03, 2020, 06:54:00 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 03, 2020, 06:54:55 AM
Post by: Eric Krewson on December 03, 2020, 09:30:39 AM
I grind bamboo on my belt sander and have a lot of fuzz in my pipe at times that I have to reach in and clear out. One spark in that stuff and my whole shop will go up in flames.
Ground your system.
Post by: Flem on December 03, 2020, 11:18:42 AM
I ground because I hate to get a nasty static shock :o
Post by: Pat B on December 03, 2020, 11:34:31 AM
Post by: Mad Max on December 03, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
I resaw some thin lams for a riser--.030 to .070 thick, no sanding just glueup
I did the same with Bacote
The osage looks the same when you cut it, and I can't tell the difference.
(https://i.imgur.com/YXRe4d2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qRuxGoZ.jpg)
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This is a drawing of the tree when it was dead
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Post by: Flem on December 03, 2020, 09:15:54 PM
How did you mill that monster?
Post by: Mad Max on December 03, 2020, 09:49:19 PM
I took that 5' to a friends saw mill and made a few cuts.
If you ment into lams---I use a straight edge to draw a line and go to the band saw, then the edge sander.
After I get one flat edge I start cutting it up to width.
Post by: Flem on December 04, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 04, 2020, 01:31:28 PM
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Max said.. If you ment into lams---I use a straight edge to draw a line and go to the band saw, then the edge sander.
After I get one flat edge I start cutting it up to width.
Me too Mark..
Post by: mmattockx on December 05, 2020, 08:08:12 PM
Got the back lam down to final thickness and started working on the tapered core pieces. Should have the core and belly pieces all done by tomorrow evening if things go well, then I need to get my form done and I can start gluing stuff up.
:archer2:
Mark
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 05, 2020, 10:28:30 PM
Post by: Longcruise on December 06, 2020, 12:21:01 AM
Be interesting to know if that Perry reflex is really worth the trouble.
I've wondered about that too. Maybe light will be shed. :)
Post by: mmattockx on December 06, 2020, 12:48:49 AM
Be interesting to know if that Perry reflex is really worth the trouble.
One bow won't be definitive, but lots of people have had success with it. Calculations say it can reduce the stresses on the belly by 15-20%, which should equal a lot of set avoided.
My goal with pulling the belly and core into deflex before pulling that assembly into moderate reflex is to gain as much stress reduction as possible on the belly while ending up with a mildly reflexed flat bow with the tips only 1.5-2" ahead of the handle. It should make for very low set, good performance and a bow that is easy to string without equipment required. If I just pulled it all into 6+" of reflex it makes for a bow that is tough to string and the back stresses get very high with all the bending required from that amount of reflex.
Mark
Post by: Shredd on December 06, 2020, 06:58:01 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 06, 2020, 08:25:34 AM
Post by: Eric Krewson on December 06, 2020, 10:15:16 AM
Unless you are following Dan Perry's flight bow design to the "T" you just have a reflexed bow, not a Perry Reflexed bow.
Post by: Longcruise on December 06, 2020, 11:28:39 AM
I think the term "Perry Reflex" is a misnomer, about 25 years ago someone attached the term to any bow that had a reflexed limb and it stuck. If any of us had an osage bow that had a natural reflex we proclaimed it to have "Perry reflex", everyone used the term whether it had merit or not.
Unless you are following Dan Perry's flight bow design to the "T" you just have a reflexed bow, not a Perry Reflexed bow.
True, it is described extensively in one of the TBBs. I think the first or second.
Post by: mmattockx on December 06, 2020, 12:56:45 PM
refresh my memory... what exactly is a perry reflex... i remember reading about it two to three years ago... thanks...
In very brief description the bow is built from lams (typically one belly lam and one back lam) and the belly piece is pulled forward into reflex, then the back is glued on to hold the reflexed shape. This preloads the belly surface into tension, lessening the final strain it sees when pulled to full draw.
I think the term "Perry Reflex" is a misnomer, about 25 years ago someone attached the term to any bow that had a reflexed limb and it stuck. If any of us had an osage bow that had a natural reflex we proclaimed it to have "Perry reflex", everyone used the term whether it had merit or not.
I wouldn't say it is a misnomer, but it certainly was misunderstood and the name misused to describe any reflexed bow, as you say.
Unless you are following Dan Perry's flight bow design to the "T" you just have a reflexed bow, not a Perry Reflexed bow.
You don't have to build the same bow as he did, but you do have to use the same concept of preloading the belly in tension in order for it to have the same effect (and be accurately called Perry reflex). What I am doing is the same as what Dan did, but I am adding to the effect by initially deflexing the first glue up in order to increase the preload the belly sees when it is pulled forward and glued to the back lam. I don't know if Dan ever built a bow like that, but he would certainly understand it as just a modification of his method as described in TBB V3.
I can't claim any credit for the idea of a multi stage glue up schedule to maximize the reduction of belly stresses. I got the idea from reading about the Duo-Flex bow in the Bows of the World chapter where Tim Baker talks about making a modern duo-flex using Perry reflex to increase the performance. Baker's idea (pg. 79) is to splice the belly lams in a more deflexed position than the final bow has, then pull them forward into the final shape when gluing the back lam on.
All I did was think about how to achieve that same effect in a lam bow where the limbs are not billets spliced into a deflex angle to start with. My solution is to use two forms, one for the first glue up that deflexes the belly and core lams in an arc (similar to what a bow looks like when braced), then a second reflex form to pull the belly and core assembly forward and glue the back lam on.
I will post pics of everything when it is done, but that will likely be a few weeks at the rate I am going.
Mark
Post by: Longcruise on December 06, 2020, 06:34:37 PM
Wonder if there would be any advantage to employing the concept in a glass bow.
Post by: Flem on December 06, 2020, 09:41:08 PM
Post by: mmattockx on December 07, 2020, 12:07:07 AM
Wonder if there would be any advantage to employing the concept in a glass bow.
I looked at this some for my first FG bow. I don't think there is any point on a recurve because the limbs are so thin that you can't generate any significant preload on the core, but it could reduce set on a Hill style longbow where the stack is fairly thick and they are known to take some set. One project at a time...
I made an all Bamboo Perry reflex once. One was enough.
:biglaugh:
Why was one enough? Didn't work out or just too much work? I would think anyone who will go to the trouble of making fibreglass lam bows wouldn't find the basic Perry reflex construction much trouble.
Mark
Post by: David Flanrey on December 07, 2020, 08:04:49 PM
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 07, 2020, 08:20:51 PM
Post by: Buemaker on December 08, 2020, 03:42:49 AM
Post by: Mad Max on December 09, 2020, 08:29:54 PM
I worked on 2 bows today :tongue: what did you do?
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 09, 2020, 08:45:48 PM
:wavey:
Post by: Mad Max on December 09, 2020, 10:16:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/22ftZvJ.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 05:40:49 AM
Post by: Buemaker on December 10, 2020, 07:57:45 AM
Post by: Pat B on December 10, 2020, 08:38:13 AM
Post by: Mad Max on December 10, 2020, 08:49:23 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 08:57:13 AM
That would polish them to a chrome looking finish.
Would make them shape as a razor also.
I always sharpen my knives on a buffing wheel.
Post by: Buemaker on December 10, 2020, 09:16:33 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 09:59:22 AM
Post by: Flem on December 10, 2020, 10:55:13 AM
You guy's have pictures of your buffing set-up? Thats one of many areas I am lacking equipment and expertise :tongue:
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 11:13:59 AM
Post by: Shredd on December 10, 2020, 11:23:15 AM
have not busted ass like this in a long time... finally feeling normal today...
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 11:28:13 AM
I'll bet your ass is dragging about now:)
Post by: Flem on December 10, 2020, 11:30:47 AM
Post by: Shredd on December 10, 2020, 11:36:10 AM
Post by: Flem on December 10, 2020, 11:47:30 AM
Thats even more brutal with two layers to haul and torch :notworthy:
Roy, what did you use for the shaft?
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 12:30:44 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 02:44:59 PM
Post by: David Flanrey on December 10, 2020, 03:51:04 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 10, 2020, 05:56:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Ip3mUM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YXRe4d2.jpg)
I still have a big hunk
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This is the back of the riser, I will glue this to the back glass
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This is the Fade/Riser lam, This and the glass and core is all that I'm glueup next
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side view 1/4" thick fades of the stack
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I'm gluing the fiberglass stack to the back lam stack
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This is the Belly lam stack
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Last glue up, belly lam stack to the belly of the fiberglass stack
(https://i.imgur.com/5Bcp2Vc.jpg)
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 10, 2020, 06:13:08 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 10, 2020, 10:45:48 PM
Post by: Pat B on December 10, 2020, 11:29:14 PM
Post by: kennym on December 11, 2020, 08:31:03 AM
Post by: Mad Max on December 11, 2020, 08:49:49 AM
It has 43 layers now may loose a couple :tongue:
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 11, 2020, 09:08:53 AM
:wavey: :thumbsup:
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 11, 2020, 04:38:34 PM
This is my Hogg meaning it will hogg off anything that touches it
But it is super solid and great for the scarf joints.
(https://i.imgur.com/DMB74aR.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 11, 2020, 04:46:39 PM
Post by: Pat B on December 12, 2020, 08:35:52 AM
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 12, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Anyhow I got the bow out this mornig.
(https://i.imgur.com/lgeC2Oq.jpg)
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Post by: Mad Max on December 12, 2020, 04:36:41 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 12, 2020, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 13, 2020, 05:50:47 PM
Cut/glue some Osage for Tip Belly underlays
Cut the shelf in and got some of the riser Profile sanded
(https://i.imgur.com/L5xfb62.jpg)
Post by: mmattockx on December 13, 2020, 06:48:37 PM
Cut the shelf in and got some of the riser Profile sanded
(https://i.imgur.com/L5xfb62.jpg)
Looks good, but you cut the shelf on the wrong side. That's never going to work for me. :bigsmyl:
Ever have any issues with the fades popping loose on a design like that?
I spent some time freezing in the woodshop this afternoon (-16C with a brutal wind chill out, winter has returned with a vengeance). Sorted out a problem I was having with my thickness sander tapering the edge of the lam on one side (the issue was dust build up under the sanding paper wrapped on the drum) and made some jig parts for my glue up form. Along with the experimental Perry Reflex bow I am trying an adjustable form design that will allow me to make most any side profile I want on a glue up without having to endlessly make plywood forms that cost $$$ and only make one shape. If it works out I will post pics and details. If not it may never be spoken of again... :knothead:
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on December 13, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
The fades are inside the core.
all of these can be made on 1 form
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Post by: Mad Max on December 13, 2020, 10:03:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3FwSxPk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7Ra4tPR.jpg)
Post by: Shredd on December 14, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 14, 2020, 02:14:40 PM
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 14, 2020, 07:05:45 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 15, 2020, 03:59:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/T9ygM7N.jpg)
Sand on the edge sander and resaw cut and sanded some veneers to .025
(https://i.imgur.com/16wKwis.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CKCqTTa.jpg)
Cut some Horn/Osage/Bocote for tip overlays
(https://i.imgur.com/A61Q4jc.jpg)
In the oven, I leave the door cracked open for about 100/120* for 6 hours and the next day I start back on it
(https://i.imgur.com/oAnAkoJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PoQQpok.jpg)
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Post by: Roy from Pa on December 15, 2020, 04:26:36 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 18, 2020, 05:01:20 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/q5lp8YS.jpg)
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Post by: Mad Max on December 18, 2020, 05:11:07 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 18, 2020, 06:29:28 PM
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Post by: Flem on December 19, 2020, 07:01:02 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 22, 2020, 11:11:19 AM
I put some Tru-oil on wif no pictures Roy :jumper:
Post by: Flem on December 22, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
Somebody did sompin Yesterday :dunno:
I put some Tru-oil on wif no pictures Roy :jumper:
Now you can watch it dry. At least you got something to do the rest of the day and tomorrow and the next day :smileystooges:
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 22, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
Post by: Pat B on December 22, 2020, 11:36:56 AM
Post by: Longcruise on December 22, 2020, 11:58:01 AM
Somebody did sompin Yesterday :dunno:
I put some Tru-oil on wif no pictures Roy :jumper:
Now you can watch it dry. At least you got something to do the rest of the day and tomorrow and the next day :smileystooges:
It won't ever dry without pictures. A video?? :)
Post by: Mad Max on December 22, 2020, 12:27:17 PM
I'm understanding that now :scared:, it will be next year before it dry's :laughing:Somebody did sompin Yesterday :dunno:
I put some Tru-oil on wif no pictures Roy :jumper:
Now you can watch it dry. At least you got something to do the rest of the day and tomorrow and the next day :smileystooges:
Roy--rubbing on with my finger really thin, dry room and open hot box 6 hours or so. Does it need more time in the hot box?
Longcruise-- Just for you :tongue:
Post by: kennym on December 22, 2020, 12:50:15 PM
Not much, cuz they is... :laughing:
And no pics of that...
Post by: Mad Max on December 22, 2020, 02:35:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/c0tICig.jpg)
left over,
(https://i.imgur.com/Vkz4DeC.jpg)
It's about 65* in the bow shop in the morning, about 70* with the hotbox door open
should I leave the hot box on all night?, I can get about 120* with the door cracked open?
(https://i.imgur.com/RqdZcCV.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 22, 2020, 02:36:39 PM
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I let 5 deer outsmart me yesterday morn . Generous of me huh, lettin em think they is smarter than me...
Let me get this straight, you left 5 deer wif spots till on em sneak past ya?
Yer geten soft there papa:)
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 23, 2020, 05:11:44 PM
Post by: Stagmitis on December 23, 2020, 05:43:01 PM
Post by: Longcruise on December 23, 2020, 06:34:07 PM
Cut up a sheet of plywood and started a new form today. Also made a 2 gallon batch or Orange Creamsickle moonshine. The shine will be ready for New Years. The form sometime after.
Let's see some pics of the form!
Post by: Pat B on December 23, 2020, 07:26:06 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 23, 2020, 08:35:35 PM
...and the orange creamsickle moonshine. :bigsmyl:
You wouldn't have any of that in NC would you :nono: :bigsmyl:
Post by: Pat B on December 23, 2020, 10:03:37 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 23, 2020, 10:23:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/c0tICig.jpg)
Left over
(https://i.imgur.com/Vkz4DeC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RqdZcCV.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 24, 2020, 06:26:51 AM
Post by: Pat B on December 24, 2020, 09:09:55 AM
Post by: Mad Max on December 24, 2020, 08:04:14 PM
I have a clock timer set 1 hour on, 1 hour off 24/7 until I get done.
the bow is about 86* wif infrared temperature gun and about 72* in the bow room.
Going down to 21* tonight, will see what the bow room is tomorrow?
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 25, 2020, 01:11:04 PM
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] Here's the form blank glued and screwed. And a pic ofthe orange Creamsicle moonshine. TRhe shine has to sit for a couple weeks, or at least until New Years eve. Will get to cutting form out in next few days. Meanwhile I finished up my spindle sander modifications. That took some doin to get it where I wanted it. Next is making the base to the riser template out of 5/16" aluminum plate and fitting it to form.
Post by: Mad Max on December 26, 2020, 08:46:27 AM
4th coat wif NEW pictures Longcruise :tongue:
(https://i.imgur.com/c0tICig.jpg)
left over
(https://i.imgur.com/Vkz4DeC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RqdZcCV.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 26, 2020, 10:37:31 AM
Looking good, Mark.
That creamsicle shine is awesome stuff...
Post by: Flem on December 26, 2020, 11:18:55 AM
Did you distill this stuff yourself? It does not look like any Hooch I've ever had :scared:
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 26, 2020, 11:33:23 AM
Post by: kennym on December 26, 2020, 11:53:19 AM
Post by: Flem on December 26, 2020, 11:56:11 AM
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 26, 2020, 12:05:41 PM
Post by: Flem on December 26, 2020, 12:07:55 PM
Post by: Flem on December 28, 2020, 08:52:50 AM
I needed it to clean up a small flood when it died. I still had an old 3 stage Vac motor from a HVLP turbine build sitting on my bench, so I thought why not see if it will work. Same size, dropped right in the motor housing in the lid. After I got the thing grounded, I thought I would give it a test and see how much water it would suck up in a minute. It was sucking and bucking so hard I turned it off after 20 seconds. It had sucked up 8 gallons! I tried it connected to my palm sander, too much suction, I could barley move the sander!
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Makes the single stage motor these come with seem worthless. If you have a ShopVac that dies, you can get one of these 2 or 3 stage motors for around $60, which is way less than a new Vac.
Post by: Autumnarcher on December 28, 2020, 09:11:44 AM
Post by: Flem on December 28, 2020, 10:23:05 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 28, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
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Post by: Flem on December 28, 2020, 02:41:49 PM
Post by: kennym on December 28, 2020, 03:54:56 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 28, 2020, 04:34:03 PM
That looks like a pretty big inlet for your tool?
Post by: Flem on December 28, 2020, 05:27:27 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on December 28, 2020, 07:46:38 PM
Yeah Kenny they got 3 cylinder Cummins be about right.
Man plywood aint getting any cheaper. Fixin to build a new TD curve form. 1 2x4x 3/4 and 12x4x 1/4 $35.00. Those are called handi - panels from Menards and are pretty near full 3/4 or whatever size you buy.
Post by: kennym on December 28, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 29, 2020, 07:05:56 AM
Post by: Pat B on December 29, 2020, 09:49:42 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 29, 2020, 12:04:03 PM
Post by: Flem on December 29, 2020, 12:23:52 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 29, 2020, 12:26:53 PM
Post by: Flem on December 29, 2020, 12:36:02 PM
Post by: kennym on December 29, 2020, 12:41:15 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 29, 2020, 12:46:51 PM
Yes you do! I mounted them on a cheap Grizzly grinder. I think it spins too fast though and the wheels are not concentric, but hey what can you expect from HF!
I believe a buffer is supposed turn at 3200 rpms, maybe even 3600, I forget.
Try harder Kenny ole boy:)
Post by: Pat B on December 29, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
Post by: Buemaker on December 29, 2020, 02:16:13 PM
I can’t seem to get much done these days, managed to make glue from fish bladders though.
Most of the time drinking coffee and smoking a cigarillo.
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 29, 2020, 02:51:19 PM
Been a year since I made one too.
Bue I understand, it's been a year since I built a bow and now have one started, but the holidays, snow and a touch of a sore throat have me not working on it much yet.
Post by: Mad Max on December 29, 2020, 04:11:29 PM
I started removing the bark and sapwood off of a nice, 2 year old osage stave, my least favorite part of wood bow building. I'm planning on an ALB but will decide that once I get a good back ring exposed. This will be my first build in at least a year so y'all pray for me. :bigsmyl:
Yes, we need a Osage bow build Pat :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on December 29, 2020, 04:43:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPGaaIDd_2M&feature=youtu.be
https://youtu.be/qPGaaIDd_2M
If you can see my drawing in front of the boo.
I got the profile cut out and sanded the belly flat and tapered the tip to zero.
The wide part of the limbs are 1-5/8" 62" NTN ?#@28"
(https://i.imgur.com/XNdrehs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AedA2NZ.jpg)
The limbs will be glued on like this
(https://i.imgur.com/DnR1rAn.jpg)
I will make my Siyahs different than he did.
I have a old form for making .050 laminated Siyahs, so I glued up some sitka spruce
(https://i.imgur.com/FAZxU3o.jpg)'
One glued up
(https://i.imgur.com/GaZJ0jz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JtdHoLC.jpg)
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 29, 2020, 05:12:38 PM
Post by: Buemaker on December 29, 2020, 05:20:52 PM
Post by: Flem on December 29, 2020, 06:53:31 PM
Bue, it's 1100 watts. Too much for a box!
Post by: zhangkeyang on December 30, 2020, 10:08:31 AM
Post by: Shredd on December 30, 2020, 10:53:48 AM
Post by: Mad Max on December 30, 2020, 02:51:57 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 30, 2020, 03:05:02 PM
Going to glue on a osage overlay and some buffalo horn for the tips
(https://i.imgur.com/FklYuhd.jpg)
Glued the limbs to the riser with Titebond lll, I been using TBlll for all the bow
(https://i.imgur.com/yEVRhB7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7qCHDdR.jpg)
Post by: kennym on December 30, 2020, 04:31:14 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 30, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
Post by: kennym on December 30, 2020, 05:37:39 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 30, 2020, 05:47:34 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 30, 2020, 06:03:47 PM
Video don't werk...
I think I fix it
Post by: mmattockx on December 30, 2020, 06:55:45 PM
Nice... You should be doing a build on it's own thread... :)
Yes he should.
Nope :tongue: I don't really know what I'm doing, just moving forward to see what happens :dunno:
Did you say that with a straight face?
(https://i.imgur.com/EKXwePl.jpg)
Going to glue on a osage overlay and some buffalo horn for the tips
(https://i.imgur.com/FklYuhd.jpg)
That looks great. How narrow are the tips at this point?
I have been looking at doing static recurves in a similar fashion because none of the wood I use has been willing to survive tight bends, even after boiling. Making static recurves like your siyahs and then splicing them in solves that problem for me.
Lookin good Mark!! Think the titebond will keep her together?
If the joints are done correctly the TBIII will be as strong as epoxy on those woods. It is only the oily tropical woods like ipe that need epoxy, anything that doesn't repel water will glue fine with TBIII.
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on December 30, 2020, 07:49:55 PM
The tip are about 1/2" wide now
.050 will bend with the sitca spruce.
This a glass static recurve using the form below
4" from the nock to the bridge
(https://i.imgur.com/N0ImLVH.jpg?1)
This is the form I made years ago with a top form and fire hose.
(https://i.imgur.com/FAZxU3o.jpg)
The sitca I have is very dry so I dipped them in water about 5 min. before glueup
1/4" at the tips, the belly is 1/2" wide
(https://i.imgur.com/bUsDOy0.jpg?1)
Did you say that with a straight face?
It's a bamboo slat with no belly lam except the last 10" out to the siyah.
I have more control with a glass bow, so I'm going to give this a try with the slats.
Post by: mmattockx on December 30, 2020, 08:13:01 PM
How narrow are the tips at this point?
The tip are about 1/2" wide now
They look even skinnier. Not at all crazy narrow, plenty of room to work with.
.050 will bend with the sitca spruce.
I meant none of the woods I have will bend into recurves at full thickness of a limb, the way guys bend recurves into osage without a second thought. It's a different story when laminated on a form in many thin strips. That works well for almost all woods. I don't have Sitka spruce available but I do have Lodgepole pine that I am going to try some tests with later into spring. It is slightly heavier than the spruce is, but still a better stiffness to weight ratio than most other hardwoods. Should make a decent static recurve tip.
1/4" at the tips, the belly is 1/2" wide
(https://i.imgur.com/bUsDOy0.jpg?1)
That is beautiful. Is the peg sticking out both sides for the string to bend over?
It's a bamboo slat with no belly lam except the last 10" out to the siyah.
Regardless, you still seem to have a good handle on making bows, especially tricky wood ones. That snakey osage was a work of art.
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on December 30, 2020, 08:41:09 PM
It's called a bridge, like on a horn bow lever (Siyah)
Same style bow with different bridge
(https://i.imgur.com/90UzJ0r.jpg)
Regardless, you still seem to have a good handle on making bows, especially tricky wood ones.
I had plenty that I burned and cut up, so maybe I will get lucky again :pray:
Post by: mmattockx on December 31, 2020, 11:43:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/RqdZcCV.jpg)
Any more progress with this bow? I'm looking forward to seeing it braced and drawn.
Lest I be the target of derision for not doing anything myself, over the last few days I have got my form and post pieces all worked out and finished, glued up the core lam pieces into a full length single lam and hopefully will be boiling and forming the belly lams on the riser ramps today. After they dry I should be able to do the first glue up stage of core/belly lams/riser. I guess I should be taking pics of all this for a future thread on the form and bow build...
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on December 31, 2020, 02:49:56 PM
I wiped off all the tru-oil wif Everclear and going to shoot it wif Epoxy. :goldtooth:
Same limb dynamics as this bow
(https://i.imgur.com/ZnJwBZF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tcCx1RG.jpg)
Post by: mmattockx on December 31, 2020, 02:55:00 PM
Pictures please :bigsmyl:
You posted some, so that seems fair. I will get some this afternoon if the light is manageable and post them. It won't be anything fancy yet, just a bunch of loose parts and a lam bow 'kit' needing gluing.
That tiller shot shows a very sweet bend, I look forward to seeing it with the laminated handle.
Mark
Post by: Flem on December 31, 2020, 04:44:53 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 31, 2020, 05:40:25 PM
what you talkin bout willis
Post by: Bvas on December 31, 2020, 07:41:15 PM
Turned into some of this.
Post by: Roy from Pa on December 31, 2020, 08:03:42 PM
Post by: Mad Max on December 31, 2020, 09:21:34 PM
Post by: Flem on December 31, 2020, 11:58:28 PM
Post by: mmattockx on January 01, 2021, 12:54:17 AM
First off, the new jig/form:
(https://i.imgur.com/bTLTNZB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g5rADg2.jpg)
The spine is a piece of 3 1/2" x 2 1/2" x 1/4" steel angle that I inherited with our place. The posts have a shoulder piece brad nailed to them to set the height at that point. They are not set accurately along the angle iron, just clamped on to show the general idea.
This is forming the belly lams onto the riser ramps after boiling them for 15 minutes:
(https://i.imgur.com/oDt4akU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/X9wgbjD.jpg)
I think I am going to have to do another boil/forming tomorrow to get the ends formed properly and then let them sit a couple days to dry. After that the glue up starts.
Mark
Post by: williwaw on January 01, 2021, 03:54:48 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 01, 2021, 05:53:01 AM
Post by: Mad Max on January 01, 2021, 08:05:46 AM
Post by: Buemaker on January 01, 2021, 10:47:24 AM
Post by: Bvas on January 01, 2021, 11:28:57 AM
Is that canned deer meat?Yeppers. With a little garlic salt and some peppers and onions.
Post by: Mad Max on January 01, 2021, 11:36:10 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on January 01, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
Did ya rinse the asphalt off it first?
Post by: Bvas on January 01, 2021, 01:03:28 PM
Post by: mmattockx on January 01, 2021, 01:15:52 PM
I like how it's adjustable. Do you use a radiused fixture to clamp the lam in while boiling?
The adjustability is why I went to the trouble with it. There are so many possibilities of lam bow shapes with Perry reflex, recurves, R/D long bows, etc. that I wanted to be able to reconfigure everything without making a new form every time I wanted a different bow style. I also wanted multiple posts so I can define a specific radius to the limb bend instead of accepting whatever shape the limb wanted to form when bent over one or two posts.
This is more a proof of concept than anything. The posts will eventually have some sort of height adjustment built in so I don't have to keep brad nailing the shoulders in place. I figured I could live with this for a bow or two just to see if it works as I hope, then make a better set of posts once I have some experience with it. The posts are currently just 2x4 construction lumber that I cleaned up and radiused.
I just boiled the lams flat and then used the clamps and blocks to force them into the curve of the riser. I may think about a fixture for future work, that sounds like a good idea. The lams are ~0.155" where they are bending and it took a surprising amount of force to bend them into the riser.
Yeppers. With a little garlic salt and some peppers and onions.
That sounds tasty. Do you have a recipe you can share?
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on January 01, 2021, 04:02:56 PM
Post by: williwaw on January 01, 2021, 04:40:53 PM
What I have heard about boiling or steaming is you have about 15 seconds to get it clamped, but I've never done it?steam has a lot of latent heat, maybe steam in place and tighten the clamp as you go.
Post by: mmattockx on January 01, 2021, 07:43:55 PM
What I have heard about boiling or steaming is you have about 15 seconds to get it clamped, but I've never done it?
Depends on what you are trying to do, but that is mostly correct. The heat comes out fast and the wood gets its strength back as quickly as it cools.
Mark
Post by: Mad Max on January 01, 2021, 07:57:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/lb4kJej.jpg)
Mine is a good 2" to long
(https://i.imgur.com/FAZxU3o.jpg)
Post by: mmattockx on January 01, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
Make the ramp and lam. longer and flat
(https://i.imgur.com/lb4kJej.jpg)
Hmmm, I can see that should reduce the forces involved and give a smoother bend. I will make up a block that clamps to the back of the riser and gives a flat ramp for the lam to ride up on and try forming it again, thanks.
Mark
Post by: williwaw on January 01, 2021, 09:14:31 PM
Post by: Mad Max on January 01, 2021, 09:40:37 PM
it might also help if the two outside clamps bottom legs could hook in the same hole in the middle where the center clamp is
It does need to move over :thumbsup:
Post by: Mad Max on January 02, 2021, 10:32:33 AM
Post by: Mad Max on February 04, 2021, 07:43:38 AM
Flem, gonna be used for accent stripes in a TD riser.
I did the same thing one time Bvas, I bet thickness sanding end grain on that osage was a pain in the bu__.
Mine was Hard Rock Maple. :knothead: mine wanted to burn when sanding
WE ripped it the wrong way :nono:
Post by: Mad Max on February 04, 2021, 07:46:00 AM
Can you move this to 2021?
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 04, 2021, 08:00:41 AM
Done with 2020 what did ya do today.....
Post replies in 2021 now please.
Post by: Roy from Pa on February 04, 2021, 11:58:31 AM
This is 2021......
Put the last 3 posts in 2021 cause I removed them.