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NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« on: September 19, 2019, 08:53:47 AM »
Had a Bow when I was 8 given to me, It was in a permanate curve as it had been left strung, It was also a robin hood-Longbow for me
as it was a lot taller than i was, In time I did manage to take a few Squirrels with it, We moved when i was 10 and it somehow didn't come with us,(probably because I showed my Mom the squirrels)
last month I was at cabalas and brought home a frontier longbow 40# I tried a few, and it was priced right, although I liked the takedown Samick sage  because it broke-down
so as I used to be a cabinetmaker/Furnituremaker and have built boats,BP rifles, I caught the building Bug, I figured id build a Takedown
as I dont really like buying what I can learn how to build myself, and winters coming here in maine, and I need something to do while I feed the woodstove to keep the cabin fever at bay

I bought the Pronounced longBow plans from Binghams before I joined this sight, found this sight from searches about Binghams,
been spending a lot of time reading here,

Im planning to do the rubber-bike-band method with clamps,
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no hot box as ive got a woodstove that will be pumping out the heat, average 80deg 10ft away sitting at my desk 4ft above the floor
thinking of making a Long overhead angled vent (think regular oven hood vent) to hang above the stove to force the heat up into.
raising or lowering it for temps as ive read the glue should be above 70 deg, I can do that,

when im on the Binghams site I get confused with there limb choices for the "Pronounced"
wood choice, optional center core,

I have a chunk of Black Walnut left over from a BP rifle I built, so Im going to use that for my Riser,
I also have a 90or so yr old baby cow/bull yoke thats curly maple and will use that also in the riser

waiting on my plans and vid,
I do agree with some about there shipping adjustments, (not knowing until they have already charged)
so I have an email in to Kenny's Customs, as ive read nothing but good things about him and his service here
Ill be buying my supplies from him over the next 3 months getting ready for a woodstove-winter build

you gotta be a tough lobster to make it through the Maine win'taars

cheers all
John
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2019, 10:19:05 AM »
Sounds like a good plan. I like the heat collector idea. Be nice if you could trap the heat. Wonder if a large metal pipe that could be capped would work above the wood stove.

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2019, 11:07:16 AM »
Welcome to the clubhouse.

Don't worry too much about the heat.  Just keep it above 70* and it'll be fine.  When you are getting your form built be sure to check in with us.  There's a few things Bingham could explain better!
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2019, 12:09:47 PM »
Once you wrap the glue up with tire tube bands and clamped to the form you can place it in the sun while curing. The black bands will absorb  heat and transfer it to the glue up.
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2019, 02:42:36 PM »
Welcome sounds like your taking the right path don't hesitate to ask questions ,you will probably get more answers then you want  :laugh: Going with Kenny is a good plan , he is real good at explaing  things from a working mans perspective , he has helped me plenty and I consider him a friend like many here, the devil is in the details on any bow build the more questions you ask and understand the better ! Good luck and post as you go.
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2019, 06:35:30 PM »
Sorry Pat...  But I do not suggest putting your form in the sun...  Go put a board in the sun for an hour or two and see what happens to it...   Uneven heat from any source could warp your form... 

   You want gentle even heat...  You can do as Monty says, which works...  I like using an electric blanket...  Take it up to a 100 degrees...  That's all you need...  The higher temp. gets those molecules moving to make sure that it is fully cured...

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2019, 07:08:16 PM »
Sorry Pat...  But I do not suggest putting your form in the sun...  Go put a board in the sun for an hour or two and see what happens to it...   Uneven heat from any source could warp your form... 

   You want gentle even heat...  You can do as Monty says, which works...  I like using an electric blanket...  Take it up to a 100 degrees...  That's all you need...  The higher temp. gets those molecules moving to make sure that it is fully cured...
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its too dang cold in Jan/Feb even in the sun,
I like the electric blanket idea, Ive got one somewhere around here
I was thinking woodstove because i hang a lot of gunstocks I refinish over it

as for the form its not all that bendy of a recurve?/decurve? (im learning the terminology so im probably wrong)
and figure ill run some angle iron strips on both sides below my wooden pegs and clamp holes to keep it from warping/twisting

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2019, 08:15:27 PM »
If it is cold you might want to throw a sleeping bag or comforter over the eletric blanket...

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2019, 03:04:54 AM »
I use 2 electric blankets and a few clamp lights to bring the temp up quick but with the light bulbs on I need to watch it , the temp can get to high but for my $20 system it works good !

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2019, 05:41:03 AM »
2 Blankets??  Must be one of them high class bow makers...

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2019, 11:17:14 AM »
Well the only class I attended was the class of hard knocks as far as bow making  :) but my double blankets will stay at my desired 160 F when warmed up !
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2019, 11:25:46 AM »
Well John... now ya done it! You went and caught the bow building bug. There is NO cure for it. Fortunately for you there are good folks here than can help treat the symptoms.

KennyM is a great guy and can provide a lot of help. All the others here are wonderful as well (except that Roy guy, not to sure about him  :bigsmyl:)

Truthfully, I would have abandoned the whole bow making situation without all the support I get from these guys.

Welcome to the circle. I am looking forward to seeing photos of your build.

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2019, 11:36:16 AM »
Well the only class I attended was the class of hard knocks as far as bow making  :) but my double blankets will stay at my desired 160 F when warmed up !

160*...   Wow... that extra blanket adds a lot...  That is good to know...  Yeah I went to the same school...   :)

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2019, 04:26:50 PM »
A couple of tips for the blanket box is to use the ones with double controls , his & hers, his & his or hers & hers which ever is correct  :cheesy:  the trick is getting it up to temp with the clip on light bulbs then it will maintain the temp , it's not plug & play you need to monitor it with a infra red thermometer & baby sit it , it can easily go over 200 F with the bulbs running I'm going to get another blanket to lay the form on so the heat goes directly up & still use the 2 on top I have a PID controller in the works for it ,but a good system for limited space people like me !
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2019, 04:38:32 PM »
My luck... epoxy would drip on the living room floor!

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2019, 07:14:35 PM »
That's why I throw the tarp down.  Not in a hurry to occupy the coffin.
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2019, 08:38:49 PM »
Good tip, Monterey!

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2019, 09:12:30 PM »
 his & hers, his & his or hers & hers....  cracked me up...   

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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2019, 01:16:09 PM »
I do my glue ups in the basement and it can be cool down there. I’ve had good results tenting a moving blanket over my form and placing a space heater close to one end that I keep open. I leave a small opening at the far end so the hot air will pass through. I punch a barbecue thermometer through the blanket near the centre. I get a consistent 160 degrees this way.
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Re: NewBee Here I come to Learn and Build with a lot of questions
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2019, 01:26:33 PM »
My current hunting bow is two years old and glued at 70 degrees. That said I am still heating all others .
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