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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2004, 04:20:00 PM »
Jawge and Mickey.....I was thinking about sinewing to get a better profile on her...I'm right on target weight @55# but I am going to take her to a 28" draw..I have 2" of string follow right now 1" of it is natural deflex and 1" is set from tillering....But I tell ya this bow even at 24" draw right now is a straight shooting, smooth, hard hitting bow, I'm having second thoughts about the sinew job..I think I'll get a few more arrows through her than take her on to 28"....Jawge she is 66"overall 65 or so ntn...... Terry
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2004, 05:47:00 PM »
Terry you really need to build you a caul and induce a nice even 2" of reflex into all your staves before tillering. Makes life a lot easier. The only bow I haven't reflexed in the last couple years is the snaky one (too curvy for the caul ha ha)
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2004, 06:25:00 PM »
You're probably right Mickey.... I clamped this stave down with 1 1/2" of reflex figuring I'd get it to an even profile when I took her off.....and that's exactly where she came off at..... I also figured I'd lose back the initial 1" of deflex as I tillered but didn't think I'd pick up that extra inch..It's evenly distributed on both limbs though.....and she's a real zippy shooter....Maybe I'll just do as Steve suggested...4" of tiller leaves me a bit of room to play with.....  :D   Terry
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2004, 08:20:00 PM »
Terry with my caul when you heat it and clamp it it starts reflexing a few inches out of the fade area and increases as you get closer to the tip. At the tip on a 64" bow it would have approx 2 3/4" of reflex if it kept it all which of course it doesn't. It loses about an inch coming off the caul leaving 1 3/4 inch of reflex at the tip. After tillering and shooting in I have about 1/2" reflex at the tip.

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Now I must add I don't think it helps in the way of accuracy or speed but it leaves an unstrung profile that pleases most people.
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2004, 08:57:00 PM »
There's still time to reflex the last several inches of the deflexed limb. Tips don't bend anyway. For the record I just asked why you were sinewing; never said you shouldn't. That's up to you. But I was thinking it tho.  :)  Mickey knows me.  :)
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2004, 07:31:00 AM »
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Now I must add I don't think it helps in the way of accuracy or speed but it leaves an unstrung profile that pleases most people.
Mickey you said a mouthful there.....
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2004, 11:05:00 AM »
Terry - personally, Unless I was going to reflex a bow, or somehow induce reflex to improve the performance, I wouldn't do the sinew because it's to much work and may have issues in a wet climate. Then you have to consider snakeskin, or at least be very considerate of using a very watertight finish. You tiller just fine, and I'm sure you can get that stave to 28". also if there's no backing then you can use parrafin, which is super easy and foolproof. I just finished a bow done unbacked and parrafinned and she'a a fine bow. In fact I named her "simplicity". Sure we can make 'em with all the bells and whistles, but the end result is they all throw arras 'bout the same...Steve

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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #47 on: February 17, 2004, 11:42:00 AM »
Terry,

bow looks real good, you learned well grasshopper.  I would do as Mickey suggests and add a little reflex now on my cull.  It's a trick I picked up from Bill McNiel.  Tiller to about 3" from home and then heat it in the cull, let 'er cool and then finish the tiller.  The finished profile is pleasing and the bow shoots back in to about even or a little better.

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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #48 on: February 22, 2004, 11:45:00 AM »
Well I followed the advice you guys threw out...   :D  
1.) As David suggested I shot the bow in real good...after 100 arrows she lost 4# just as he predicted.... Another 50 srrows showed no more change so I think we have her stabilized.

2.) I heat bent her on the caul as Mickey and Mike suggested.... My caul is set for 1 1/2" so I added a couple of 1" blocks at the handle area to get 2 1/2" of initial reflex and when she came off she was at 1 1/2" just as Mickey predicted.... Do ya see a pattern developing here???.... These boys know what they're talking about......   :D  

3.) I flipped the tips just a bit as Jawge suggested and I now have a profile I like.....

Now I'm gonna go against the boys a bit here.... I am going to sinew this bow..... There are 2 schools of thought on this .... One is as Mickey says..... Use your sinew to better marginal wood.... and the second one that says sinew will only make a good bow that much better... " Sinew is magic"......Both schools are valid and I use em both in making my bows.....

Here's a look at the results of our heat bending session...
   http://mail4.cableaz.com/~tpetko/auctionbow14.htm  

Now I'm off to work a little magic.....and assure that I keep what I've gained on the cauls.... Terry
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #49 on: February 22, 2004, 10:50:00 PM »
Bow has a nice profile Terry. How did you insure that you tweaked the tips the same amount?

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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2004, 07:37:00 AM »
Mickey... I measured the gap between the jaws of the clamp..... I bent the first one til I liked how it looked.... Measured the gap and took the second one there....  :)  .....Terry
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2004, 07:43:00 AM »
Doh! I'd have never thought of that    :knothead:   too simple!

...good thinking    :thumbsup:
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #52 on: March 07, 2004, 01:13:00 PM »
Here's an update on the Auction Bow..... Got the first course of sinew on her I let it set for a week and pounded out enough sinew for the second course this morning....Hoping to get it applied this afternoon after getting a few honeydos out of the way....   :)    Terry

   http://mail4.cableaz.com/~tpetko/auctionbow15.htm
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #53 on: March 07, 2004, 02:26:00 PM »
I got a dumb question...do you have to prepare the dry surface of the sinew to accept the other layer? damp it? or how do you get it ready to accept the next layer? just curious.

cool build Terry, I am following along.  :)
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2004, 03:05:00 PM »
Not a dumb question at all Calvin....I am gonna sand it just a bit to get the little stickers nocked down.... Then I'll size it with a coating of  hide glue just like I did on the wood for the first course......Terry
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2004, 01:03:00 PM »
Wow Terry.  I kinda lost track of this build-along.  VERY NICE!  

I love sinew.  Especially now that I have moose sinew.  It is so much easier to work with than deer.  I can process enough sinew to do a bow in an hour and then lay it down in about another hour.  I love it!  I have a bagful of deer sinew processed that I haven't touched in 2 years.  I guess I oughta trade it away or something.

Great job.  Can't wait to see the next installment.
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2004, 02:29:00 PM »
Thanks John..... I haven't worked with Moose sinew yet but I imagine it's real nice..... I am supposed to be getting the legs from 12 Emus here real soon and am looking forward to working with that......I got the second course on this bow yeaterday and looked at her this morning..... She's looking good......Now it's wait time...I'm glad I have two friendship bows and that Sleeved Yew takedown to keep me occupied...   :)   Terry
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2004, 04:24:00 PM »
Terry, when you get around to doing your static tips please take some pics so I can see. Do you anticpate that you'll need string groves down the belly? or will the string lift off the curve when strung? Do you anticpate that there will be any problems with keeping the ears aligned?
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2004, 06:18:00 PM »
Good Questions Mickey.... I didn't go real radical on the static tips just flipped them a bit so I'm hoping the string just lifts off em and I won't need to do string grooves on the belly.....The tips I'm gonna have to wait and see on.... One looks perfect the other might take a slight bit of tweaking or it might not...... I got pretty lucky on the heat bending....We'll see how the string alignment looks through the handle when I get her on the short string again....I'll be posting pics.....  :)   Terry
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Re: Saint Jude Auction Bow Build Along
« Reply #59 on: May 05, 2004, 08:30:00 AM »
Here's a pic of the Auction Bow just before I took her off the sinew form last night...She came out with a nice bit of reflex that should hold nicely.. she's also been fitted with  diamondback snakesking and Elk antler nock overlays.....started shaping the overlays last night and am ready to start taking this bow down the home stretch.....Terry
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