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Offline the Ferret

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2003, 10:19:00 AM »
One more thing about node location. If you put your nock above a node the next 7 or 8 inches (where you are going to glue/tape your feathers on) is clear and node free.
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2003, 10:24:00 AM »
Thanks for all that, ferret. the reason I knocked down the nodes, was because one of the ways I was checking them for straightness was to roll them on the table. taking down the nodes facilited that...no harm done? not that I can tell now at least.

making some trades is definatly on the menu...havent yet got the desire to knapp...too many other skills to learn for now.
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2003, 10:55:00 AM »
You guys are given me a fever to try somthin new! Will there be rivercane at MOJAM for trad'n? This may be a good excuse for me to go, I could tell the wife it's the only place cane is available and I hafta have it  :D  ! Course her and the kids would probably come with me, so you all would hafta play along with the story  ;)  right?
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2003, 11:45:00 AM »
I have always wanted some river cane arrows.  Maybe I will be able to find some at Mojam to buy or trade for.  

Ferret or anyone that knows out there..... Do people spine that rivercane like wood or other arrows....? Or is it a different bird entirely when it comes to that.  

I saw Jay Campbell shooting them at the Texas longbow shoot once and they were well matched shafts from what he told me.

What is the deal on spine and weight etc....?????

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2003, 06:13:00 PM »
River Cane? Is this the stuff that looks like Bamboo but smaller that you see growing around ditches?

I know where there is a bunch of it where am working right now if it's what you guys are talking about.
Guess am gonna have to cut some and brng it back with me when I go back this week.

What dia. should I try and get for a #50-#55 pound bow?
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2003, 10:11:00 PM »
Dante the guru guys on cane spine theirs (I just make em and shoot em). If you guys are going to Mojam..look up Johnbow and Mike-Ok (Mike Hames)they will be camping together no doubt..they always have a good supply of river cane. Good stuff too. I traded a dozen partially finished shafts I had to a fella for a piece of osage last year.

As far as diameter the stuff I use is about the size of an 11/32 shaft, but I've used bigger and smaller with the same results.

Not sure where all it grows but I've gotten it from Alabama, Texas and Oklahoma so it must be a southern thing.
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Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2003, 11:09:00 PM »
on that note...I did toss em on the spiner to check and all 4 shafts are right around 55# they were real difficult to check, next time I will straighten them at least once before I spine them.

As mentioned, all this is new to me. Hell, even the spine tester is new to me! only had it a week or two. never needed to spine arrows before.

I am having much fun.

got a line on a local supply of buffalo sinew, drying some right now, should be ready to go when I need to tie in the feathers. I have a couple calls in to some ostrich and elk farmers too, we shall see about that. (I would rather use buffalo on this project than emu I think)

BTW, about how long are you making those feathers ferret? and do you trim the feathers before or after you get them on?

Of the two guys that you mentioned that are awesome cane arra gurus, do you think that one of them would sell/trade me one shaft? I think my building would be accelerated if I could look at one in the flesh, just curious.

I also think I want to use either trade points or stone points...actually I should use field points so that I can at least play with them I guess!! I did buy some doweling to run inside them today, we will see if I can get some time in tonight.
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Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2003, 12:20:00 AM »
Heck, even if someone has a real nice cane arrow to LEND me for a couple weeks to look at, I could send it back?

I would of course pay shipping both ways...
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2003, 08:45:00 AM »
Mickey....those are so cool!  Dina
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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2003, 06:00:00 PM »
ok, got some time today...the kid finally went to sleep. a few questions.

1)I assume from my archive search (LW) that we all agree that the fat end will be the broadhead end?

2)will the allmighty Duco work for fletch glue?

3)It would appear that these arras are the bomb in a self bow, but how do they fly out of more center shot bows? just curious. (not trying to be blasphemous here, I already know it wouldnt look right!)
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Offline Rick Boyer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #30 on: July 06, 2003, 06:38:00 PM »
I use super glue!! lightly sand the shaft first..
 they shoot well off any bow that is with in spine..

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Offline the Ferret

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2003, 09:18:00 PM »
Don't know about the duco...you have some cut off piece..sand one up and glue a feather to it and see how it holds. On a side note my lovely uses the cut off pieces for staking small plants.  :bigsmyl:  

I imagine they would fly well out of anybow they are reasonable close in spine for whether it is centershot or not. I've shot them out of selfbows, bbo's and laminated longbows.
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Offline Sal

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #32 on: July 07, 2003, 12:49:00 PM »
I've had duco give on my arrows, unless a coat it with gasket lacquer.  The feather tape works best for its slick surface.  I hope to trade for some cane at mojam, I've got a bunch of bamboo prefinished shafts.  Maybe I should bring them.

Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2003, 11:14:00 AM »
only got a half hour last night to work on   these.  

have now straightened them 3 or 4 times...and they are starting to resemble arrows. I am pleased. I can see that they will go a lot faster after I do a few. I still have a couple more passes through the heat to do...finesse in that last little bit of staightness.

They did spine lighter than I thought, I figured they would be 50-55 and they turned out 40-45# but that is alright...I have a feeling I might make a bow at that weight some day! (maybe even on purpose!)

Even the "other" stopped by and checked them out. I must be doing something right...got her curiousity up anyway.
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Offline Marvin M.

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2003, 12:17:00 PM »
Calvin,

I am also a rookie at this.  I have one done now and the next ones will be better.  Within fifty yards of my favorite deer stand is a large patch of the stuff.  I've got a pretty good supply laid up in my garage.  Every time I scout the area, I cut a few shafts and bring them home.

You mentioned the green color.  If you lay them out in the sun they will "tan".    :cool:  When they dry in the shade they retain their green color, but a little time in the sun will take care of that.  I either put them behind the back seat of my car, or lay them on the roof on the sunny side of the house.  Give them a week or so and they will be nice and brown.

I'm learning the skill of making self nocks now, but I think the next group of cane I do I am going to try for bone nocks.  I am getting ambitious.

Ferret, Nice arrows.  You are good at this stuff.  Wish I could come watch you for a week.  Will you be my mentor?   :)

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2003, 02:39:00 PM »
Calvin I suppose you meant these (you linked to your edit page not your community page)

 http://community.webshots.com/photo/79608121/80284334nWeRUq

Boy those are actually starting to resemble some neat arrows.

Marvin, didn't know it grew as far north as Central Kentucky. Since my kids are grown and gone and I have salemsmans hours I have plenty of time to work on stuff (archery stuff not house stuff   ;)   )
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Offline Marvin M.

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2003, 02:56:00 PM »
There's loads of it here, Ferret.  I just don't have the time to do anything with it.  I've got big plans, but they usually have to wait for a long time to come to anything.  Took me almost a year on my first selfbow, and has been over a year since that.  I've got two more started but doesn't seem to be any time to work on them.

Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2003, 02:59:00 PM »
http://community.webshots.com/photo/79608121/80284273rdZIec

here is another one. Thanks Mickey, Im gettin tired I guess...few late nights.

Bone nocks? now THAT sounds cool! what kinda bone ya using Marvin??? and hey, would antler work? I got some of that. might be too brittle? I still havent figuered out what to do for trade points, I have some raw copper...I think it was Jim Hamm who said that there was some Indians who bashed out raw copper for points. then I got some old skil saw blades laying around, might be able to hack saw out a couple of points outta that...and I do have one glass knapped point that David Rhodes sent to me, I might try that too. (where the heck has David been lately?)

oh well..back to work!
...gosh this is hard.

Hailey (5) 3 minutes into a pilates workout

Offline Marvin M.

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2003, 03:19:00 PM »
Calvin,

Not sure on the bone nocks yet, but I've got some ideas.  Don't want to post till they come out.

I started another thread on the trade point idea.  Look for "Trade Points from Spoons?" and lets see if we get any help.  That seems like a simple idea and one that someone should be able to help us with.  If I can get that going, I will post pictures of how that works as I progress.

Offline Madpigslayer

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Re: Gonna try River cane arra's!
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2003, 03:51:00 PM »
I like it! Lets see how it works for you!


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(conversation overheard at MoJam..)
...gosh this is hard.

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