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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Basstar on November 03, 2015, 06:48:00 AM
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A week or so ago I posted requesting some ideas for a hunting quiver and received some excellent ideas, in fact many ideas that I did not even fathom existed.
At this point I am somewhat torn between the back quiver such as a Hill style and some of the side hanging quivers that are either open like the Hill model or have individual arrow holders constructed in.
Two questions about these different styles for those of you who have used them.
When still hunting or spot and stalk, how difficult is it to remove an arrow from the hill style without ones movement being seen and spooking the animal?
On a similar note, when using a side hanging or hip quiver while moving around, how much does the arrow shaft and fletching wiggle around showing movement which could also spook game?
I am a minimalist by nature and do not like a quiver on my bow.
I like the compactness of the back quiver but am concerned about getting an arrow without making enough movement to be spotted and am concerned that a side/ hip quiver would have fletched arrows flipping around showing movement while stalking or still hunting.
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Boils down to experience and what you like best. Others, like me, can give you our opinion but in the end I believe you'll end up figuring it out by trying different quivers and seeing what fits your hunting style best.
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No matter the quiver I'm using, if I'm still hunting I hold one arrow in my bow hand as I'm creeping along. It's safe, and quick , silent movement to the arrow
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O-Leatherman you are probably correct.
Although I love the looks of a bow mounted quiver, especially the traditional leather ones, and have spent a war pension on bow mounted quivers over the years, I just never like shooting or hunting with one attached.............and I've tried! :)
I am just trying to get some input based on other's opinions since the quivers I am considering are a relatively sizable investment.
Thanks so much for your post and your Traditions Leathercraft site has some beautiful work.
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Personally I have tried all types but the back quiver. The main issue I encountered with a bow mounted one is in additional hang-ups when stalking particularly when crawling through dense areas. My assumption is that this would also be an issue with a back quiver.
My current favorite is a Palmer-made hard covered unit. This unit protects the arrows in transport, stalking and weather issues. An arrow is easily withdrawn, it holds some accessories and easily attaches to a backpack.
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I use the solo quiver which keeps only one arrow at the ready. It's a little leather pocket tied to the upper limb of your bow for the broad head with the shaft being held by your bow hand. Its safe and
ready
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I go with Gray Buffalo, a solo stalker and a side quiver for extras. The side quiver takes some attention when in thick stuff but otherwise I love mine. Mine happens to be a highnoon but there are several side quivers out there that will hold a few extra arrows quietly and with minimal effort on your part to move the quiver around for varing terrain. Do a search it seems there was two recent post on nice side quivers by two different individuals and one I believe is a sponsor and responded above oklahomaleatherman perhaps.
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I have become quite accustomed and partial to one back quiver I have made. It naturally hangs for arrows to be pulled easily. The base hangs just right to pull it around with my bow-arm elbow, when needed, to get through thick stuff. I just need to make a camo-ish wool cloth waterproof hood for when I'm caught in rainfall. While stalking hogs last month I think I got busted by my chartreuse fletching being seen as I inched forward on one. A natural material (wool) cap over the fletching might have helped. i also got caught in rainfall a week ago and I know it would have helped.
If my back quiver would happen to be lost as an option, a Kwikee Kwiver that is quickly removed would be my next choice. My first deer I killed when I was 16 was with a bow. I stalked to within 20 yards of her. The last few yards I removed the quiver and placed it on the ground to get close enough. The reason was, earlier that year I missed a nice buck due to having a bow quiver still attached and from my low position the arrows hit the ground, preventing a timely shot. The deer spooked and I lost the chane due to arrows hanging down.
And angled back bow quiver would be my next choice. One that held arrows closer to the lower limb tip while the bow is drawn.
I have an old Charles Daly hip quiver that seems like a nice design. I got it at a pawn shop for $10. I have yet to field test it.
Buying an old Kwikee Kwiver and affixing straps too it for an under the arm type of transport might be good as well. I have yet to try that. Kwikee Kwivers are easily found on fleabay and pawn shops.
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I am going to fall on sword and embarrass myself in order to offer an opinion that may or may not be helpful. I went through the same issue, and I made it more complicated because I shoot Right and left handed interchangeably, so I wanted a quiver that does everything. I tried bow quivers, hip quivers, back quivers, Korean dongae quiver, etc. I really got excited when I saw O Leatherman's Latigo Silent Stalker side quiver and had him ready to start punching one out for me when I realized my budget was busted. Then I started looking sideways at my dad's old 1950's King back quiver that I had been trying to restore to use as a back quiver but some of the straps were dry rotted . Plus, an old rotator cuff tear combined with longer arrows proved out to be incompatible with a true back quiver. So I did the unthinkable to an heirloom.
I ended up reattaching the torn remnant of the main back strap as a simple loop over the center of the top opening, removed and the large exterior pocket, knife and file sheathes and keepers, then boldly cut a large long opening on the "short" side of the quiver, removing a piece of leather about 12 x 4 inches. I noticed that O Leatherman doesn't cut the lower end of the bottom opening square but rather a bit acute, which provides more coverage for the tips, so I did that. Then I re-used and re-located the straps that were still viable, got a very old 2" heavy leather belt that my waist outgrew a few years back and made that into the shoulder strap that I attached at the top at the loop made from the original main strap and at the bottom to a loop that runs across the bottom of the opening. I went to WalMart and bought a $9 set of "yoga Blocks", dense closed cell foam blocks, cut a piece to fit into the bottom of the quiver.
The end result is a side quiver that throws on quickly over one shoulder, will hold at least 15 arrows if I want, securely holds broadhead tips ,field tips and judos in place. The top of the quiver rides under my arm held against my body by my elbow with the bottom of the opening right under my draw hand when I am shooting, so I can grab a shaft about 2 inches from the tip, slide it back a few inches then up and forward across the string and side plate with very little motion, far less than with a back quiver. It easily slides back to ride a bit more vertically and around to the back when I'm walking . Like a Hill back quiver, the leather forms around the shafts so nothing moves in the quiver. It works equally well righty or lefty with no adjustment required, just moving the arrows so the fletched ends ride outside the shoulder strap. My dad had added some clips around the top opening of the original to keep shafts from moving around, but those turned out to be both unnecessary and counter-productive, as the clips grab the fletching when you try to draw the arrow out the bottom of the opening.
Like I said, this King leather is 60 years old and when it falls apart, I am going to get O Leatherman to make me a new one from scratch, as he will certainly improve both the quality and functionality. He has a great design and makes a top quality quiver for shooting at the range or silent stalking with the added benefits of being easy to hang on a hook or stub once you're in your blind.
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i know this is not your original question- but it is kinda a back quiver- i tried the entire gamut of quivers- until i settled on the "cat quiver"
can crawl thru the bush with it- fletches are protected, broadheads are safe- arrows are not rattling- can hold a dozen arrows if need be, it is behind you- does not hang up on anything, is truly ambidextrous!
and with the extra small pack that comes with it, is really handy- everything in one package- just grab and go.
i like the #3 or the 3.5.
additionally i use a solo stalker on the bow- all my bows have them on!- they are the greatest!!
and surprisingly affordable - new, but also to be had used!
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I like a hip quiver. I keep it on a belt with a fanny pack and it has a strap at the bottom so it can be tied to your leg. It does not move around and can be slid around toward the back when walking through the thick stuff. Branches will catch it occasionally, but it's better than looking like I'm trying to work my way out of a jacket with no sleeves every time I want to get an arrow out of a back quiver.
For deer hunting I can just sling it over my shoulder an hang it in the tree when I get there. I tested it elk hunting this year, and it worked well. I just bought another bow quiver though....just to try it....yet again.
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I like a bow quiver for my recurve. Seems to balance out the weight and quiet things down. However I am having a longbow refinished. When I get that I just can't seem to come to grips with the idea of putting a 4+ arrow quiver on it. So I just sent money to get a little 2 arrow quiver for it.
But, I want a few more arrows in the woods with me, just in case...
So I think I'm going to look at a side quiver that I can maybe trap to my pack. Or carry along with everything else.
For my style of hunting I don't a back quiver will work for me.
-Jeremy :coffee:
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I hate bow quivers. Try the Absorkee quiver by FarrWest Leather, a sponsor on here. Tim makes a good looking, hunting product that is the easiest on/off quiver, and works well with packs, in trees, in stillhunting situations....it's just a good design.
There are no perfect quivers, and it's all a matter of preference, but give this one a good look.
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Back Quiver. Second nature. Despite the availability of all the other types of quivers some of our pioneers like Hill, Pearson, Schulz, and Swinehart preferred them for hunting.
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as some have alluded...you really got to try some out. ALso be sure to give them enough time for you to get used to their feel, adjustments, location, and when drawing arrows. A lot of it is familiarity which builds confidence and comfort.
I have GN strap on quivers, GN quick mount, heavy leather back quiver, Lakota style side quiver, and then my newest...the steve catts side stalker.
In the past I used all of them based on intended prey (small game vs big game) or based on broadheads/points carried.....or type of hunting such as tree stand or ground bline or stalking.
In the end the Lakota side quiver was my favorite except when wanting to carry a large number of small game heads or three blade heads. For that I prefer my Steve Catts Side Stalker...gives me comfort and portability of the side quiver...the capacity and versatility of different heads of the back quiver...but I can still remove to lay on ground beside me or hang from limb or hook in tree stand...and then stalk through thick brush as well.
Ted Fry had his Raptor quiver which was similar and Three Rivers sold one similar as well.
If I was going to recommend one to try to cover all hunting situations with all types of broadheads or other points...I would recommend the stalker style side quiver no matter the maker as that too is personal taste. Price is also a consideration...so go with what makes you comfortable.
Raptor Archery has their version for $140...very well made and one of the first I ever saw like this many years ago. Not sure if the originator but I liked his the best until I saw Steve Catts'
3 Rivers Archery has their new version for $90-130 depending if you get the pouch for a string or whatever.
Steve Catts go from $150-250 depending on model and size and such. I would likely recommend you get one of the others first and if you really like it and then want the extra functionality, protection or design features he includes then can do that later with a more informed and focused approach.
All three of these will let you draw them out the top like a back quiver but more importantly is the access towards bottom that reduces your movement and allows drawing of arrow very close to your body with minimal arm movement in my opinion.
Good luck....
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Back quiver, safari tuff for me. Great protection and arrow slides out bottom. Much less noticeable movement than pulling arrow from a traditional back quiver where the arrow comes from behind your head. Hip quivers I have tried always had arrow fletching moving with each step as your leg/hip rotated.
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I have looked at and reviewed more quivers and quiver styles than I realized there were quivers available. The styles range from bow mounted, back, side, open, enclosed, one arrow, multiple arrows, traditional leather, modern camo fabric, etc.
For now I’ve decided as a test that I am going to fabricate a strap for my current Kwikee Kwiver (actually my wife will do the fabricating) similar to the Fred Asbell GFA quiver and hunt with it a while to find out how I like the concept.
The best part of this experiment is that it costs me zero dollars as I already have the quiver and straps from my hiking and backpacking days.
This will at least give me a free look to see if I like a side quiver and from there I will see in which direction I need to go.
Thanks so much for the many ideas.
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Since you have already decided on a side quiver, and you have the Kwikkee Kwiver, may I suggest the Mark Baker Caddie Bracket. This is a time proven way to carry a side quiver, and the inspiration behind the Absorkee Quiver. It removes the quiver from your neck, and places it on your belt, pocket, or pack belt. It is by far the easiest on and off quiver attachment.
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This is the original Absorkee Quiver, 5 arrow capacity. We have models that carry from 4-6 arrows, and a good selection of colors.
Thanks,
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Tim, that is a very good looking quiver. I have definitely given them some consideration and will again in the future I'm sure.
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My two favorites are my Farr west leather Ridge Line quiver and my Great Northern Sidekick quiver.
Bisch
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I have gone this every year for 40 years. I like the Safari Tuff except for the fact the wind catches it like crazy when hanging in a tree. I have made several different types of side quivers that were wonderful until I decided I needed something else. The most functional was an Asbel type quiver I made by mounting each end of a quikee on to an Osage slat. They all have there issues, pick the ones you can live with.
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I have and use a Selway hip quiver. I use a fletching bonnet when I'm doing any spot and stalk. It is very easy to put a key ring on the end and hang it on a branch stob when in a tree stand. I like it better than a bow quiver even though I use one occasionally.
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This year I switched to a Palmer Arrow Works quiver . It like the Safari Tuff ,but stronger . So far it's working out . It is water proof and keeps fletching hiden and prevents damage .
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Depends on what I am doing. Like many on here I have been through the evolution of quivers. If I am going in and setting a tree stand and hunting, then bowquiver. If I am doing actual stalking of deer or small game, then I use a back quiver. But, like in the fall I walk alot turkey hunting, I find that Arrow Master perfect. I actually do not like a bowquiver on my longbow, but the convienance of carrying everything in and then hanging it in tree is too much to pass up, as I have to set up and take stand down on public property.
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I like both... I like the back quiver for hunting, it is just simply quiet and roomie. I use the Raptor side quiver for 3D and practice, I just find the side quiver to be much cooler than the back quiver in hot weather.
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I use bow quivers but went through a faze of trying hill style back quiver, arrow master quiver, gfa side quiver and a jack Bowyer side stalker. I only have the arrow master left and the hill style back quiver. You should hear the bow quivers I have tried-ha!
You kind of need both for different hunting or goofing off
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I haven't used any high end quivers of any kind, mainly the cheap ones you can get at Bass Pro, Cabelas, etc. I have a leather back quiver, one of the cheap camo open hip quivers with foam in the bottom and grippers up top, and a bow mounted kwikee kwiver with a homemade leather hood. The bow quiver is noisy, but it's also cheap, so I can't really judge that style quiver accurately. The back quiver works well in open areas, but in the pine thickets of north Louisiana, the arrows tend to hang up on overhanging branches, vines, etc. Also, if you carry arrows with different points, it's more difficult to see what arrow you're grabbing. The hip quiver is easier to guide through brush. I wear mine with fletching forward where I can use my right hand to turn/guide the arrows when in thick areas. It's also easy to see exactly which arrow you're drawing. I don't like the fact that I have to partially remove my belt to remove the quiver. There are also issues with the quality because, as I said, it's cheap. My wife just picked up the one pictured below at a yard sale for me, and I think it'll be just the ticket next season, for me at least. It's an old leather hip quiver with no markings on it. It hangs by a metal clip that can be easily attached to or removed from a belt. It's small and light weight. It'll hold 12 arrows with field points, but it is slap full with that many. With broadheads, I think 6 will be absolute max. It also has a dividing strip of leather at the top (2nd picture) so that your arrows are separated into two bunches while in the quiver. That'll allow me to quickly and easily distinguish between broadheads and field points. I still need to clean it up.
Not sure if this information is helpful, but I hope you find one that suits you.
Matt Toms
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I have used every imaginable type of quiver except a back quiver. I love the idea of the back quiver but it's rare for me to hunt even for a few hours without at least a daypack on. The back quiver just doesn't work. It want's your back all to itself. :)
The thing I've settled on is an over the shoulder side quiver. First thing that was clear is that they are for carrying arrows but not a good system for quietly and carefully slipping an arrow into play. The single arrow stalker is the solution and is so slick that I recommend them for any quiver style except, of course, a bow quiver. Mine is set up to retain the arrow above and below the riser. I move around too much to have to grip the arrow in the hand.
Not a very good pic, but the whole kit looks like this.
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Hey Monterey could you put up a couple pics of how that attaches to the bow? I like that. Been using a side quiver and just recently put a Thunderhorn bow quiver on but that may be the way to go.
Thanks
Patrick
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I have both and use both for different applications. Those rubber arrow grippers can be fashioned to fit in your side quiver easily. The arrows are separated, quiet but easily accessible, but protected as you move thru brush. I have a 5 arrow gripper that only took a piece of leather and a couple Chicago screws. For rabbits, I remove it so I can load up lots of blunts. I use my back quivers for roving as it carries 18 arrows
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Patrick, I only have a picture of the shaft gripper. It's made of three or four layers of thick leather laminated with contact cement under pressure in a shop vice. Then it's cut out on a band saw to fit a specific bow. The tie is just a double piece of B50 or heavy leather sewing thread. Tie it tight and melt the ends with a match to secure the knot. To remove just cut it off.
The broadhead sheath is fastened the same way through a hole punched in the end or lately I cut both sides of the sheath from one piece of leather and leave an opening at the tip to pass the string through.
If you're not into leather work, then you might be better off with one of the sponsors products. Mine are made of odds and ends from other projects. It would be costly to purchase every thing you need just to make a few of them.
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Made something similar with a selway piggy backer...
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Eric, that is surely a slick way of doing it. I'll probably continue making mine as pictured just because everything needed is always at hand but I like your solution. :thumbsup:
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Both are great ideas!!
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I think it really depends on how you hunt. I hunt fixed stand and ground too but I spend a lot of time in my climber and for that I prefer a bow mounted quiver.
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I like the GFA quiver. It is a little cumbersome to get an arrow out quickly and quietly. I only carry three when deer and turkey hunting. When I reach an area I expect to have an encounter I take an arrow out and carry it with the bow in my bow hand. I made a broadhead sheath out of an old belt. I suppose there is a chance you may fall on the arrow, but I feel like you would have to be quite uncoordinated to do so. The GFA is pretty good for moving around in cover as it is easy to position many ways. For squirrels and when shooting a lot I use a basket back quiver from Dwyer. I do not do much if any tree stand hunting, mostly still-hunting.
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Originally posted by Mark Baker:
I hate bow quivers. Try the Absorkee quiver by FarrWest Leather, a sponsor on here. Tim makes a good looking, hunting product that is the easiest on/off quiver, and works well with packs, in trees, in stillhunting situations....it's just a good design.
There are no perfect quivers, and it's all a matter of preference, but give this one a good look.
Yep.
Nothing hanging around your neck, arrows ride behind you extremely well and you can slip it on and off without removing your pack and with minimal movement. Here in Wisconsin I primarily chase whitetails from treestands so the only mod I made to mine was to simply tie a short loop of parachute cord to mine so that I can hang it once in the tree.