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Title: Put it on my tab!
Post by: mparks on October 25, 2015, 10:25:00 AM
Made a good shot on nice buck about 7PM Thursday night.  Gave him 45m to an hour.  No blood at the scene or where the arrow broke.  Arrow broke off about 4-6" from the point.  Clean as whistle but sitting in water.  The arrow looked consistent with a shoulder hit but there was no blood or hair at the sight and I was still confident in the hit I saw.

Looked on hands and knees real hard and could find no blood, hair, or tracks along the path I watch him exit.  Still positive of the good hit but confused at the lack of sign at the shot location.

After a few hours of tracking, I start really focusing on where I last saw him leave the creek bed.  Pulled out my compass and started working that direction carefully.  A tip I learned first here on Trad Gang from Roger Norris via Ron LaClair.  The travel direction was also into the wind and he smelled to high heaven like a rutting buck so I thought I might get a wiff.  Did this for a long time and I finally stumbled on some blood while checking a runway.  Once I found blood, it was a good trail and he was piled up right there.  Found him about 10PM.

Hit was just like I thought.   I think I got the stuff above the heart.  Pretty much where I'd like to hit every one.  Leave the pump, take out the plumbing.   He went about 70 yards before I found blood.  Only another 30 after that.  I was real close to calling it a night and working on a plan to do a body search in the daylight.  Discussing the situation with Steve-O, we agreed the shoulder muscles may have blocked the entrance hole to delay blood loss.

Love to hear other's thoughts on the nature of the blood trail.  I'm sure this has happened to others throughout the years.  I tend to go overboard writing about blood trail details but I've learned so much from these forums on the subject that I think it is very important for we as bowhunters to share information and recover every animal possible.  I'm afraid this is the type of deer that would not be recovered with out some knowledge and persistence.

Got this trailcam pic right before the shot.  Just a few steps from a "Whip":
  (http://mick.lcparks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/buck_before_shot_sm.jpg)

My best buck yet.:
  (http://mick.lcparks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/big8.jpg)  

This is the first time I've used a finger tab for hunting.  I tried it a few days ago and it seem to fix an apparent torquing of the string habit I had somehow developed.  Black Widow 3 under tab.

Tall Tines 60# @28".  Easton 400 FMJ.  145gr Grizzly broad head with 100gr steel adapter.
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Post by: Tyler C. Moore on October 25, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
GREAT BUCK...what a stud. Your persistence paid off!!! Beauty of a deer and shot
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Post by: Izzy on October 25, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
Beautiful buck!
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Post by: Jason Kendall on October 25, 2015, 10:42:00 AM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: Matty on October 25, 2015, 10:42:00 AM
Wow. Great buck!  Congrats!
Tab convert!!
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Post by: ron w on October 25, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
That is a real beauty, well done.   :thumbsup:    Black Widow 3 under tab is my favorite.
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Post by: habujohn on October 25, 2015, 11:05:00 AM
Can you tell us about the head you used, the bow weight and about penetration.  Seems like you should have had at least a light blood trail from that shot placement.  By the way that is a beautiful buck, congratulations and great tracking.
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Post by: mangonboat on October 25, 2015, 11:17:00 AM
Great buck and great work on finding him!

Sounds like you got a solid impact on the offside shoulder joint, so he quickly broke off the projecting shaft then  bled internally from the severed aorta  but no exit hole for the blood to drain out. If you don't get a lung, blood wont back up and out the higher entrance wound until the chest cavity fills up. Happens  when shooting from an elevated stand into a deer quartering or turning away slightly.
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Post by: Cwilder on October 25, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
Stud of a buck congrats
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Post by: Keith Zimmerman on October 25, 2015, 11:24:00 AM
It happens.  My bud Ron Thomas shot one several years ago in a foot of snow.  Not one drop of blood from the double lung.  Not 1!!  He showed me pics of the trail.  Nothing.
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Post by: drewsbow on October 25, 2015, 11:43:00 AM
great buck congrats
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Post by: aim small...release on October 25, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
Great job that's a big Michigan buck there
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Post by: mparks on October 25, 2015, 11:57:00 AM
I'd say Mangonboat is right on the money. I was 15' up and it was only a 10 yard shot. I could find no damage to the heart or lungs themselves on field dressing. I will aim a little further back on that angle next time. I believe the arrow broke very quickly. I had to use pliers to pull it from the shoulder.

John, it was a very sharp Grizzly single-bevel. 250gr total with the 100gr insert.
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Post by: COMPOUNDLESS IN CONCRETE on October 25, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
Nice deer.  I too recently switched to a tab after years of glove use and it's made my release much more clean and consistent.
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Post by: abbatoys on October 25, 2015, 12:03:00 PM
Beautiful buck.. Congrats..
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Post by: Homey88 on October 25, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
Congrats to you! What a buck and way to be persistent on the tracking job!
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Post by: John146 on October 25, 2015, 12:11:00 PM
Nice deer and good job not giving up! You are correct that blood trailing is one of the most important things we can know how to do well.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jayrod on October 25, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
Beautiful buck mick!! Way to stick with the track job and remembering your shot placement
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Post by: huntingarcher on October 25, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
Great Job working out that like of blood trail.
Congrats!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Michael Arnette on October 25, 2015, 12:55:00 PM
Congrats on a fine buck! That bow looks familiar  :)
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Post by: centaur on October 25, 2015, 01:20:00 PM
Nicely done on both counts; the shot and the trailing. And a great buck at the end of the trail.
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Post by: David Brent on October 25, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
Woooooooooow! Nice buck. Way to stick with it and recover. Congratulations
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Post by: chinook907 on October 25, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
That is really a beautiful buck.  Good job finding him.
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Post by: Yellow Dog on October 25, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
Great buck Mick   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:       :thumbsup:
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Post by: Dirtybird on October 25, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
Great deer Mark and way to stay after it.
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Post by: smokin joe on October 25, 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Whoa! Nice deer.
  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Warden609 on October 25, 2015, 04:56:00 PM
Very nice buck!
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Post by: MR BILL SHORTY on October 25, 2015, 04:57:00 PM
:thumbsup:    :archer:
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Post by: Jerry Jeffer on October 25, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
Real nice buck!Ground or tree stand shot. My experience with big bucks is they are tough. Without a pass through, I'm sure most of the blood was in the chest cavity instead of on the ground. Good work sticking with the trail and recovery of a great animal.
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Post by: VA Elite on October 25, 2015, 05:02:00 PM
good one son!
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Post by: Sam McMichael on October 25, 2015, 05:06:00 PM
Great deer and a great recovery job. Congratulations.
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Post by: CoachBGriff on October 25, 2015, 05:27:00 PM
Great deer!  Thanks for sharing.

The good thing is, you found him!
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Post by: Sockrsblur on October 25, 2015, 09:03:00 PM
What a buck, he would be a lot of our best buck lol nice job!
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Post by: SAM E. STEPHENS on October 25, 2015, 09:10:00 PM
Stud for sure , Well done sir....

,,Sam,,
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Post by: Paul Cousineau on October 25, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
Holy wah! what a buck, congrats.
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Post by: Irish Archer on October 25, 2015, 10:19:00 PM
Major congrats on a very good buck! You did very good.
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Post by: robhunter on October 25, 2015, 10:20:00 PM
Fine buck! congrats!
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Post by: CRS on October 25, 2015, 10:23:00 PM
congratulations, blood trails are a ongoing learning curve.
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Post by: Ryan Sanpei on October 25, 2015, 10:28:00 PM
Well done!!!
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Post by: Walt Francis on October 25, 2015, 11:15:00 PM
Mick,

Congratulations on a fine buck and way to stick with the tracking/search.  You done good... really good!
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Post by: JoeM on October 26, 2015, 05:39:00 AM
That's a beauty
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on October 26, 2015, 07:18:00 AM
Congrats again.

way to stay with the tracking and recover him.
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Post by: mparks on October 26, 2015, 09:12:00 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys.

Here are a few more trail cam pics I found.:
 (http://mick.lcparks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/bucktc2sm.jpg)

  (http://mick.lcparks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/bucktc1sm.jpg)
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Post by: Lechwe on October 26, 2015, 03:44:00 PM
Mick

That's an awesome buck. Great job. You worked hard for him.
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Post by: swamper on October 26, 2015, 05:19:00 PM
Beautiful buck!
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Post by: Steve O on November 01, 2015, 06:10:00 AM
You and your catchy thread titles...I never realized there was a dead deer story here.

Great lesson in persistence and trusting what you see.
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Post by: Caughtandhobble on November 01, 2015, 10:29:00 AM
Nice, well done!!!
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Post by: on November 01, 2015, 10:43:00 AM
Man, that is an awesome buck!

Congrats!

Blood trails are what they are. Some are profuse, and some really suck. The following pics are of the entrance and exit holes on a doe I shot a couple years ago. I found 5 drops of blood in a 10' area about 15yds from the shot, and not one drop more anywhere. She only went about 40yds, and I found her doing a grid search. I don't understand why they don't bleed out sometimes, but it sure is cause for stress!!!

Entrance hole:

  (http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss239/archeryrules/Mobile%20Uploads/2013-09/7183F67E-96B8-474E-B151-275BA53B4AC6_zpszeyhh5qg.jpg) (http://s579.photobucket.com/user/archeryrules/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2013-09/7183F67E-96B8-474E-B151-275BA53B4AC6_zpszeyhh5qg.jpg.html)

Exit hole:

  (http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss239/archeryrules/Mobile%20Uploads/2013-09/F0C81622-5180-450A-BB78-B7EDBDEA55AC_zpsnauhjciw.jpg) (http://s579.photobucket.com/user/archeryrules/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2013-09/F0C81622-5180-450A-BB78-B7EDBDEA55AC_zpsnauhjciw.jpg.html)

Bisch
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Post by: Doc Nock on November 01, 2015, 03:43:00 PM
One never knows the what till the critter is found... the WHY may never be answered.  

Way to persevere!  Nice recovery and great reward for the effort!
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Post by: BRONZ on November 01, 2015, 04:23:00 PM
That's a great buck! Congrats sir!
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Post by: NANUK on November 01, 2015, 05:11:00 PM
Sweetness!!!  Congrats on a Beauty!  Nice shooting!!!
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Post by: hitman on November 01, 2015, 05:21:00 PM
Great buck. Good recovery. I use a glove because a tab just don't feel right to my anchor. Maybe if I used one more I could get used to it but sticking to my glove.
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Post by: culleng on November 01, 2015, 07:36:00 PM
Nice buck. Congrats
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Post by: stykbow67 on November 01, 2015, 08:57:00 PM
Excellent job! Congrats!

Steve
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Post by: Big Ed on November 01, 2015, 09:00:00 PM
What a beauty!!
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Post by: jackdaw on November 01, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
Classic buck...!!
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Post by: jackdaw on November 02, 2015, 01:35:00 AM
Classic buck...!!
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Post by: ebeard on November 02, 2015, 11:26:00 AM
Congrats!  That's a great buck!
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Post by: Roger Norris on November 02, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
Excellent work, and a great buck! Congratulations!

I was helping teach an IBEP class this fall, they let me do the bloodtrail portion. We laid out a trail with glycerin and food coloring,  with a deer hide at the end. The first thing we talked about was the compass reading....some of the attendees chuckled when I showed them I carried 3 compasses. ..1 around my neck, one in my pocket,  and one in my tracking bag.

Again. ...great job! !
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Post by: Onions on November 02, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
Nice buck! Great story of how persistence pays off!
Congrats

chris <><
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Post by: Onions on November 02, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
Nice buck! Great story of how persistence pays off!
Congrats

chris <><
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Post by: mparks on November 02, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Thanks again guys.  

Roger, I'm typically hunting spots close to home that I know real well.  I wasn't sure my compass was even in my pack but i was sure happy to find it.  I used it on the drag until I realized the moon was on a perfect line.  

The only way I could move this deer was holding on to the antler bases and backing up a few steps at a time. Just kept looking at the moon over my shoulder to avoid pulling that thing an inch off line!