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Title: someone is....
Post by: Gene Roberts on October 14, 2007, 10:43:00 PM
Hunting on my uncles land.He built a 4 by 8 treestand with a roof.My uncle is going to put up posted signs.
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Post by: five-oh on October 14, 2007, 10:46:00 PM
When you know the guy is in there, call the cops and have him arrested.
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Post by: Gene Roberts on October 14, 2007, 10:48:00 PM
we dont know specific times.I might put up a camera.
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Post by: zilla on October 14, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
It all depends on the state laws. A few years ago in Montana it was considered open for hunting unless posted otherwise.. Didn't even have to ask..
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Post by: Gene Roberts on October 14, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
he's about to post it this week.i hope he gets caught.Would we get to keep the tree stand,i sure hope so.
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Post by: Danny Rowan on October 15, 2007, 12:02:00 AM
If it is on your land and he did not have permission to put it there, then I bet it is yours.

Danny
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Post by: Pete W on October 15, 2007, 12:54:00 AM
Keep the stand.... and watch over your shoulder for a long long time, or tell him to remove it and sleep well at night.
Easy answer.
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Post by: Minuteman on October 15, 2007, 07:15:00 AM
I'll have to disagree with Pete.   :)  
First thing is read the laws  :readit:   on whether or not it has to be posted and get it right. Then make SURE you get the law involved.  :eek:   The CO's in our neck of the woods really enjoy giving tresspassers and baiters tickets. You may be able to get him for destruction of property as well if the trees he drove nails into were suitable for lumber. Your uncle will need to be willing to press the charges and be a hard-a$$ about it. The more upset you are the more likely the law will do something about it. After this fella gets pinched he'll start spreading the word and you'll have fewer folks trespassing there.  :knothead:  
I HATES ME SOME TRESSPASSERS!  :mad:    :mad:
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Post by: Bill Carlsen on October 15, 2007, 09:40:00 AM
If he's an illegal immigrant he's got more rights than you or your uncle. Here in NH you need landowner's written permission to use any stand that involves penetrating more than the bark, screw in tree steps or the "right" to trim live branches over 1" thick whether you use a tree stand or ground blind.. If this guy did something on private property then anything your uncle wants to do with the stand is up to  your uncle. I would tear it down and leave a note as well as post the land.
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Post by: jbb on October 15, 2007, 09:49:00 AM
You could just pull out a few strategically placed nails and let gravity take care of the problem next time he climbs in  :)
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Post by: trapperDave on October 15, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
climb up there and take a big ol dump in the middle of it, he wont be back   :goldtooth:  seriosly though, get the law involved.
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Post by: MI_Bowhunter on October 15, 2007, 10:52:00 AM
Get the law involved.  Many CO's jump at the opportunity to actually catch someone in the act.   It kind of makes up for all the ones they cant get.

I wouldn't remove any nails, injury on your property could result in a lawsuit.  Unfair but true.

I might not hurt to dump a bottle of coon urine or skunk scent in the stand as well.     :D
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Post by: TexMex on October 15, 2007, 10:53:00 AM
get some bee hives and put at the tree
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Post by: BobW on October 15, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
I don't understand the "terrorist/vandalism" actions.  Based on laws (here in NY), that action would put you at risk litigation (and likely loose for creating a hazard - you want to loose your land for that?).  Post your land (your laws may be different, but then it becomes off limits).  Put a sign on it telling him to leave or take it down.  Maybe check it for use (lots of ways to do that on the sly).  If use continues you now have willful violation, and get the law involved or if you encounter him, just ask him to leave.  I think diplomacy works better than flying off the handle.  Next thing you know, something ugly happens.  Play it safe.

just my opinion, no debate needed

BobW
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Post by: Chas on October 15, 2007, 11:26:00 AM
Gene, did he have to cross a fence to get to your property? Maybe he believes that he is on his own land, putting up a tree stand like that. How does he get there? Look for his vehicle on nearby roads, and get the tag number. First contact the game warden, and take his advise.
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Post by: eagle24 on October 15, 2007, 12:26:00 PM
I believe I am correct in saying, "all land in Alabama is posted".  You do not have to have signs up for it to be illegal for someone to hunt on your property.
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Post by: Gene Roberts on October 15, 2007, 09:49:00 PM
i think your right and he/she drove an atv through the woods and used a saw to make a trail.i also live in alabama(north east).
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Post by: Tom Leemans on October 16, 2007, 09:04:00 AM
You stay out of it and let the DNR/sheriff handle it. You can show them where the stand is. They love the easy cases like this. It may be a simple misunderstanding, but it's better handled by someone with a badge and a gun.
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Post by: eagle24 on October 16, 2007, 11:47:00 AM
I had something similar happen to me last year.  I have a 500 acre tract that I hunt along with one other person.  The landowner informed me that he had caught a guy coming off the property with a rifle one Fri evening.  It was on the backside of the property a long way from where I had been hunting.  He and I went to investigate the following Sunday afternoon.  I found a tree that had been climbed with a climber and a 40 yard circle where shelled corn was scattered on the ground.  The landowner had gotten the name and cell # from the guy, who claimed to have been hunting the adjoining property.  I called the guy from the woods and informed him where I was and that I had found corn strewn all over the area (I did'nt accuse him, but rather presented it like "can you believe it").  I also told him that he might want to be carefull if he was near the area because I had contacted the game warden and had given the game warden both (my and his) names and cell #'s in case he wanted to talk to us and get additional info.  Never saw any signs of the guy back on the property.

Tom is correct though.  It is a dangerous proposition to confront someone you catch on your property.  You never know who you are dealing with.
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Post by: chesapeakeblend on October 16, 2007, 12:13:00 PM
Tom Leemans has it right.  

Why even put yourself in the situation to confront or anger someone caring a weapon around on your property?

Sounds like it could be a mistake.  If you were going to poach someones property would you really take the time and make the noise building a stand or would you hunt from the ground or a climber?  I mean the guy spent the time to build a roof on this thing he must think he didn't do anything wrong.  Maybe a neighbor gave this guy permission and he thinks he is on the correct property?

Mike Norton
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Post by: highpockets on October 16, 2007, 01:54:00 PM
I think a posted sign ON the stand and a lengthy note would be my first step!
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Post by: mmgrode on October 16, 2007, 03:21:00 PM
To be honest I am frankly dissappointed in the promotion of vandalism early in this thread. What kind of action are you really promoting there? It is helping no one on either side of this situation.  Let us not overreact for the situation at hand.  
 
As Mike mentioned, this might have been an honest mistake for the guy to go through the trouble of building a stand there.  If you honestly lost track of property lines and built a stand on what you thought was open land and then had it vandalized, how would you feel?  

The fella needs to know he is trespassing first of all.  Write a note and attach it to his stand. Maybe he was just confused and moves it. If the note is taken and nothing is done, then get the authorities involved.  

I think we sometimes have a tendency to overreact when our space is infringed upon.  Play it cool and resolve the issue not with revenge, but with a well thought out response.  

Matt Grode
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Post by: jbb on October 16, 2007, 03:55:00 PM
I am pretty sure that all the people advocating acts of 'vandalism' earlier were just kidding.
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Post by: DeerSpotter on October 16, 2007, 04:10:00 PM
To me this is a no-brainer, the man builds a tree stand on somebody else's land, no permission, there is no question.

Well there kind a is,


" what was he thinking"  :knothead:  

Carl
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Post by: deadpool on October 16, 2007, 09:19:00 PM
idk about calling the cops.....i would jus sabotage the guys stand and leave a note that says"thanks you come again.......and see what happens then!!"
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Post by: Aram on October 17, 2007, 09:01:00 AM
No need to confront him. Get a long range rifle with a good scope and shoot him... unless his a real, traditional bowhunter...

Seriously now: use words (spoken or written) they are great tools for communication. A good way to find out "what was he thinking" too.
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Post by: strick9 on October 17, 2007, 09:12:00 AM
I believe that one of the problems we have with society and politics is the lack of severe punishment ie the loss, of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth..there would be a lot less encroachment on our rights and our land if the encroachers knew there was something else coming at them than a little white ticket. Not Promoting violence but certainly a firm hand..Even if he was confused ignorance is not an excuse..
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Post by: vermonster13 on October 17, 2007, 09:29:00 AM
This one has gone on about long enough. Follow the proper steps through the authorities and give the fellow the benefit of the doubt. We don't need to be feeding on our own and someone who put that much effort in, probably believes they are on property they are allowed to hunt. Anyone can make a mistake and when you make one I bet you'd like a chance to correct it.