Okay... I see guys talking about padding their Flemish string loops to 16, 18, even 20 strands. I make most of my strings with 14 strands of D-97 and still use #4 nylon serving—I'm a dinosaur. Makes a perfect fit for my nocks.
Now... when I make 10 or 12 strand strings for my light rigs, I do pad them to 14, but I can't get my head around why guys pad to 18 or 20. What's your thinking? Quieter, easier on string groves... what is it?
Jim,
If they are using skinnier strands of material and making skinny strings, I think they pad the loops to protect the the limb tips.
Bill
I just feel better having padded loops on a low stretch string that's on a vintage bow.
Quieter? I never tested it but believe it can help.
I like them because of the added protection for the string. Very thick where I hunt and always getting hung up on limbs, brush, etc. Just saves a little "wear and tear."
I use 14 strands of D97 on my bows also, and do not pad the loops. Like said above, I think for the really skinny strings, it might be needed, but I have been shooting the same 14 strands of D97 for years with no issues.
Bisch
I make 12-15 strand strings for all my bows no padding. D97 for many years.....
I do 12 strands of D97 and pad to 16. Why? Because it makes a nice sized loop.
Nothing wrong with D97. I used to love that material. Using Fury now because you never have to readjust your brace height like you do with D97. But if you don't mind that D97 is great.
Like Bill said its better for a limb tip if the groove is full of string. It also helps with noise on recurve limbs.
Since bow string material comes in many different diameters these days, I like to pad the loops until they are at least the equivalent of 14 strands of B-50.
Jim,
i do it primarily for 3 reasons..
1. Most bowyers recommend it and like the thought of a fatter loop as compared to a skinnier loop.
2. My customers want it.
3. Why not? It wont do anything "bad" to the bow.
Just thinking aloud on this... but the formula for Pressure is = P=F/A (Pressure = Force/Area)
I personally believe that adding to the area(padding) only helps things due to it adding more area for the force to be applied. With today's low stretch material, I want to be sure that I am protecting my customers bows, my name(for business and for me), and being sure that I make a quality string that has very little negative feedback.
As stated above, D97 is a much larger material than some of the more modern string materials(X, Fury, etc), so the extra padding is not to make it larger than 14 strands of D97, but to get it to the same diameter.
I have always wondered though, at what point is a string padded "enough"? I have had a customer return a string because it was "too padded". It was a 14 strand b55, padded to 16. Everyone liked different things, just be sure to protect your bow.
Sorry to ramble,
Daniel
I just got one of Daniel's strings. Low count but padded loops. For me, it was quieter than other strings- D97 Flemish or endless loops.
I did not run it through the chrono but it seems to shoot the same as my endless.
For string makers, part of it is "cya". Some bowyers require it.
IMO it's also easier on the limb tips (don't know that it's needed though) and, at least on recurves, quieter. Like Daniel said, it won't hurt anything, and it takes very little time to do.
Adding strands to the loops isn't a product of just the modern string material era!
Many strings made before, Dacron, polyester, Barbours linen, etc, were reinforced with extra strands to protect the string loops,not the bow!
I used to do so ... Now I don't bother. I typically shoot 8-12 strands of 8125 which is quite a bit thinner than D97 IIRC. I don't pad the loops or the serving anymore. I just use thick .030 halo serving for nock fit. Haven't noticed any meaningful difference. I also make my own strings and bows, so I've usually got two more bows finished before the last one is even fully shot in. String wear is not a major concern for me, but even if it was I still wouldn't pad unless for style like adding blaze orange or something.
I try to use cocobolo or king wood, or PHENOLIC! Or something super hard For limb tips. You're not going to cut through it with the string and modern dyneema string is durable to the point of ridiculous.
I'm also talking Flemish twist strings which are definately more prone to wear in the loops and also definately put more stress on the tips because the twisted loop is not perfectly round.
Infinite loop should be even more of a non-issue.
I think Bowyers require it because they are running businesses ... And because I think some may be stuck in the 20th century. That's right ... It's 2015. I say that as politely as I can.
Yeah Ben, alot of bowyers are 3 steps behind! :bigsmyl:
As for #4 nylon, I still love it too, Jim!
Ol' School, heck yeah, I thought we're shooting traditional bows?
I only pad when I make a string for a vintage bow that wasn't made for Fast Flite. Just as a precaution to protect the bow
8125 is a smaller strand than Dynaflight '97. Padding the loops doesn't hurt anything, and it's quieter--at least on recurve bows. For the time it takes (very little), it's cheap insurance IMO.
Hey Chad,
Glad you opened this thread. As you saw in my first post, when I make 10 or 12 strand strings from my D 97, I pad the loops to 14. However, when I make a 14 strand string from the D 97, or an 18 stand string from the 8190 you sent me, I don't pad the loops.
So... question... if you're making a 14 strand D 97 string, do you pad the loops? If so, how many strands?
Honestly Jim, you don't have to pad with 14 strands.
But you can add extra if so desired.
Black Widow I'm sure uses 14 strand with no padding.
With Dynaflight '97, I pad the loops to 18 strands. With 8190 or BCY-X, I pad to 24.
BW does use a 14 strand Dynaflight '97 with no padding in the loops; and a padded loop string is without a doubt a lot quieter on the ones I've had my hands on (several).
like chad sez, padding is just cheap insurance, don't hurt nothing and can only help. i always add in at least a few strands of dacron for padding on my d'02 endless strings.
QuoteOriginally posted by LBR:
...and a padded loop string is without a doubt a lot quieter on the ones I've had my hands on (several).
Hmmmm... well... that alone is reason enough for me. Looks like I'll be padding my loops from now on. :^)
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
...i always add in at least a few strands of dacron for padding on my d'02 endless strings.
Interesting. I've wondered about padding loops on skinny endless loop strings, but you're the first I've seen that actually does it.
So... Chad, what's your thinking on padding endless loop strings? Can I assume it will make them quieter as well?
I don't think padding endless affects noise much, if at all, since the serving it what makes contact with the limbs. I could be wrong--never really thought about it.
Yeah, Chad padding on a recurve does help, no
doubt! But I dont think it matters for longbows!
As for Widows, I prefer 450 on mine!
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=000100
Rob put up a video on padding endless strings.
Frank, I agree--I don't think padding affects the noise on longbows. I pad the loops anyway--quick and easy to do, doesn't hurt anything, might help, so...
If you like 450+, you would probably love BCY-X. It's my favorite material to date--has been going on two years now.
Chad