What is the best type of string to use on the Bear Super Grizzly? Looking to try to quiet the shot even more.
I would ask Allen at Ten Ring Strings. I think the new Bear come with D-97. I just ordered a D-97 from Allen but I have never tried one before. I mostly use B-55 but I am trying something new because they seem to be like a living organism and never stop streaching. I have never found a major audible difference in strings. I beleive any bow and string can be made to be quiet with tuning and various silencers.
The new Super Grizzly is Fast Flight compatible and comes with a DF 97 string. Of course, the Super Grizzly's made in the early 70's were not FF compatible.
Personally I like a DF97 flemish Twist string. I use brace height and silencers to tame the noise, not a different strand count or string material.
One made by Allen!
QuoteOriginally posted by dbd870:
One made by Allen!
DEFINITELY!!! TRY one of his fast flight strings in the Fury material
Get Allen from Ten Ring Strings to make you a string from Fury. :thumbsup:
I do have the Grizzly from the 70's and I know part of the noise issue is that I shoot 2 under and not split finger. I have string leach and
cat whiskers on the string as well as padding where the string meets the bow, I have also switched to a glove over a tab because that made a difference. The bow is 50@28 and my arrows are right at 503 grains. I am just trying to get the bow as quiet as can for the season coming up. Just picking every ones brains for any tips that may help.
IMO tuning makes the most difference, along with nock fit, arrow weight, your release, silencer placement, etc.
After all of that, the quietest materials in general seem to be the Dyneema/Vectran blends, like BCY X, but you can usually get a bow very quiet by tuning.
The 450+ was the quietest string i've ever used, but its soft nature made durability a problem.
I've been using the Rhino string since it came out & am real happy with it all the way around.... But... Like LBR mentioned...Tuning your set up with the right brace height and the right arrow weight is a huge factor. Much bigger than string material alone.
We sell bunches of Rhino strings with no complaints.Seems really quiet on the bow I am hunting with this year.And I am a quiet bow freak,also swear by Wooly Whispers silencers
Terry
450+ feels soft because it's a larger strand and the Vectran doesn't hold color as well. It's practically the same thing as 452X (much smaller strand), which has been the benchmark in the wheel world for years and years. The trend was going with a very low strand count, which could cause a durability problem.
Rhino is 100% HMPE. No idea what grade or brand, but Dynaflight '97 (SK75), 8125 (SK75), 8190 Universal (SK90), and 8190F (SK90) are all 100% HMPE (Dyneema brand).
Something I hadn't really considered before...the quietest string in any material should be white, because it has no color added. The color process is what makes a material feel "harder", and may change the noise--especially with recurve bows.
I've never owned a bow I couldn't get quiet through tuning, but I think my next personal string will be white, just to see if I can tell a difference.
M beach.
If its the early 70s bow you'll need B50.
Try increasing your arrow weight another 100 grains. That will help quiet things.
Yes, if it's an older bow use Dacron. B-55 is the one I prefer. A heavier arrow will definitely quieten a bow.
Rhino is 100% HMPE. No idea what grade or brand, but Dynaflight '97 (SK75), 8125 (SK75), 8190 Universal (SK90), and 8190F (SK90) are all 100% HMPE (Dyneema brand).
Well i don't no why brands of 100% HMPE would make a difference. but with D97 vs Rhino string made by Brownell there is a serious difference in the tone. D97 has a much higher pitch to it than Rhino does.... I wonder Why that is?
both strings with a 12 strand construction built by the same string builder and the rhino stays put, and is much quieter, & the D97 is still creeping well after its been shot in...... Why is that LBR?
QuoteWell i don't no why brands of 100% HMPE would make a difference.
For the same reason brands make a difference with anything else. Some companies are well established with a great reputation for quality, and some companies offer cheap knock-offs. DSM is a company known for it's quality. They are so proud of their reputation that they require the companies that use their fibers to state it on the label.
Quotebut with D97 vs Rhino string made by Brownell there is a serious difference in the tone. D97 has a much higher pitch to it than Rhino does.... I wonder Why that is?
Tons of variables to consider, one of which is personal opinion. Can't argue with opinion, and without formal testing with calibrated equipment that's going to be all we have.
I've had lots of people over the years tell me that Dynaflight '97 was super quiet on their bows. I've heard complaints about every material, including rhino. Opinion.
Dynaflight '97 has been very quiet on my bows. Some of the variables are tuning, bow design, release...more than I care to think about. A controlled test using calibrated equipment and eliminating as many variables as possible--even using white in both for testing--would be the only way to determine which, if either, was quieter; if there was a notable difference, etc.
Quoteboth strings with a 12 strand construction built by the same string builder and the rhino stays put, and is much quieter, & the D97 is still creeping well after its been shot in...... Why is that LBR?
I'm no psychic, so there's no way I could say with any certainty. Again, pointless to try to argue with opinion, and without any controlled tests and other specifics that's all we have.
One thing I do know is all HMPE string materials have a degree of creep to them. Even the highest grade on the market, SK90 by DSM, will have a degree of stretch/creep under the right conditions. That's what led to the development of materials like 450+, 452X, BCY-X, etc. Blended with Vectran, they are more stable, especially in higher temperatures.
I've heard of all sorts of things about strings over the years...that Dacron doesn't stretch; that this or that is tons faster, or quieter, or just "better"; that a Flemish string caused a bow's limbs to twist; that a string made a bow draw 4# heavier; that Flemish strings were less accurate and could even be dangerous...the list could go on.
With at least some I don't doubt the sincerity, but that doesn't make the claim any less of a mistake.
D-10, or I wouldn't use it.
It is a 70's Grizzly. B55! Tricks to make it quiet? Where are your silencers? Try 1/4 in from the touch of the limb.
I didn't catch the year I'd stick with Dacron on the older bows unless somebody made the tip overlays compatible with low stretch string
both strings with a 12 strand construction built by the same string builder and the rhino stays put, and is much quieter, & the D97 is still creeping well after its been shot in...... Why is that LBR?
I'm no psychic, so there's no way I could say with any certainty. Again, pointless to try to argue with opinion, and without any controlled tests and other specifics that's all we have.
Ok... hows this for a controlled test. I've been using the same 55# long bow for 4 years now. i had a D97 12 strand string on it for two years And was constantly having to adjust my brace height with it when i left it strung for months at a time during hunting season....... After switching to Rhino 12 strand, i've had the same string on the bow for almost 2 years and have never once had to adjust my brace height after the initial settle in period. I've left this bow strung and shot it a lot for months at a time in all kinds od weather too....... That..... and the noise level is night and day difference between the two materials. Maybe not in decibels... but the tone pitch is much higher in D97.... this isn't an opinion... it's a conclusion i've drawn from personal experience.
don't get me wrong here... i'm not bad mouthing D97 at all. its a tough string material that held up real well in all kinds of lousy weather, and you could definitely tone it down with string silencers..... But i prefer the Rhino.
I may be wrong but some of the reason that strings of certain material keep straching is that they buy strings that are not long enough and they twist them up a lot so the string continues to streach. That is just a theory and maybe the string pros can weigh in on that.
I'd say its not a controlled test, because the simple fact is it's not. Obviously there was something amiss because even with a fairly heavy draw weight and in MS heat I never had to "constantly adjust" a Dynaflight string. Occasionally, but not constantly.
Noise, without measuring in a controlled environment, is opinion. No point in trying to argue that. Tons of variables to consider.
I prefer BCY-X myself.
Well i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.... If serious field testing using the same bow isn't controlled enough for you, i don't know what would be.... Its the only kind of testing most archers will use.
It's one of those things, like dodge, chevy, or ford. Penzoil, Mobil 1, quaker state, or Valvoline, we all got what we like to use, and we all have our "test" we've done, and anecdotes that make our's superior over there's. It's kinda funny but the products discussed here are made primarily by either Brownell, or BCY, and many of them discussed are simply one manufacturer's version of the other. Yes, Rhino (Brownell) is lower stretch than D-97 (BCY). Rhino is newer. But Rhino (Brownell) and D-10 (BCY) are very similar in strength.
If rhino is made from a higher grade of HMPE, then it likely will have (slightly)less stretch, pending all else is the same (over-all diameter, build quality, etc.). I've never been able to get an answer as to what specific materials are in their products so I can't make a comparison that way. I don't care to use their products after the way I was treated by a CSR.
Knowing the grade would give a much better idea of how the materials would perform if they did. It's like someone asking a bowyer "what's in your bow" and the answer being "wood". Doesn't tell you a whole lot.
There are only three major bowstring manufacturers in the world at this time. BCY, Brownell, and Majesty (Japan).
BCY dominates the market. Although Brownell owns the "Fast Flight" name, the founders of BCY invented it when they worked at Brownell. BCY is also responsible for the first blended bowstring material, and they are the first and only to be authorized to use the newest and highest grade of Dyneema, SK90. Point being, BCY is leading the way.
Field testing is just that. It's saying a bow shoots X fps because that's what your eyes or some homemade equipment told you--opinion. Field testing won't hold up in court.
Controlled testing is using a Hooter Shooter and a properly calibrated chronograph.
I have 2 decades worth of experience building strings as a business, 15 or more of that with Dynaflight '97. I've built literally thousands of Dynaflight '97 strings. That would edge out 4 years shooting two different strings, at least for me.
Mike, I agree--it boils down to what someone likes and/or believes in.
If stretch/creep is a problem, materials like 452X and BCY-X solve it. If you want to stick with a 100% HMPE product, 8190F and 8190 Universal are made with the highest grade available.
Myself? I've settled on 450+. 8 strands of that stuff served with .024 halo and I get perfect nock fit on the Easton X-nocks on my Easton Axis Trads. Just twisted up one tonight for my new to me Toelke Kestrel. Turned out really good. Man! I love 450+. The durability is not an issue for me. If I need one, I just twist one up. And if I keep the string waxed good, it lasts all year. I just seem to get great performance out of 8 strands of that material. I pad to 12 in the loops.
Steve
I liked 10 or so strands of 450+ when I shot it--it's a really big strand compared to most materials. Really don't remember why I swapped to Dynaflight '97 when it came out, but I reckon I tried it and liked it better. I tried the BCY-X when it came out, and it's got the best of them all for me. It's fourth generation 450 (Premium, them Plus, then 452X, now BCY-X). May be 5th generation...seems like the very first one wasn't Premium, but I can't remember the name.
Chad
Yep - love the blended strings. Chad, I just may have to give X a try. About how many strands of X would be the same as 8 strands of 450+?
Thanks!
Steve
Been a while since I've used 450+, but I think it's 18-20. X is a pretty small thread.
If you decide to try it, let me know. I can help you out on that.
Chad
Thanks Chad! I appreciate the info.
Steve
always love reading Chads posts. I have been using X over a year now and love it. I build "skinny strings" with it though. 10/12 strands is the usual. I had a 10 strand on my Black Widow for over a year and after shooting the bow all season and through tourney season, the string still held its brace height. The X, to me, is a good bit quieter than d97, but i still build a lot of both. I think both are great materials.
fury for me
Hey Mr. Beach, love your birthdate!
As for the grizzly, I'm shooting a 70's bow I bought about 15 years ago. this is my second and they are good shooters.
For the past year I have been shooting a 9 strand, 3 ply with 6 extra strands in the loops of b-50/b55 mix. No silencers, brace height at 7 5/8". Bow stays strung, and hasn't moved any!