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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: RedShaft on September 01, 2015, 06:22:00 PM
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I'm about to get myself set up.
You can search some other big name forums and get all kinds of info. But here is a video that explained a little about it. Also check out some of his other videos.
http://youtu.be/VsOPf6BymVg
If any of you ever hung in your 4 pt safety harness... You'll understand why guys are looking into these for treestand hunting. Let me know what you think. Or if you ready do and what's your set up?? Thanks.
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We used to hang from a waist belt strap ( me) and a full body harness ( my partner) at every bowhunter and hunter ed class we taught for several years until we had videos made.
I for one don't see a lot of reason to change to a rock climber belt. I don't use a climber, preferring steps up the tree, and with those in place we were NEVER unable to just get ourselves back up or back onto the steps. A climber might be a bit trickier.
BTW, using the belt strap, over half the time I was suspended nearly upside down and could not "save" myself, needing help from the crew. Not to mention the large probability of broken ribs if you actually "fall" or the stand collapses vs just leaning off the stand and swinging as we did.
I understand there is the potential for trauma in time, but we never saw the situation where we couldn't just turn around and re-climb.
ChuckC
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A climbing harness is all I use these days. So light and simple.
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Originally posted by meathead:
A climbing harness is all I use these days. So light and simple.
What's your set up?
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I have been using a rock climbing harness the past two seasons and love the comfort and freedom of movement. I have a carabiner and climbing rope attached to the front and then lock into an eyebolt in the tree. Make sure length of rope is short enough to prevent a long free fall but long enough to not get in the way. Also tie a couple loose knots in the rope to act as shock absorbers. Found the harness on a climbing closeout site and trimmed all of the accessory loops to prevent any hang ups. Enjoy it very much as opposed to the factory ones that come with stands
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I have about 7 harnesses, but have chose to exclusively use my rock climbing harness for the last 3-4 year. I feel safer and more comfortable, they are made not to cut off circulation plus keep you upright.
I just watch a video of a guy falling with a chest harness on, he has such compression on his chest he cant fill his lungs and eventually cant breath.
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Originally posted by meathead:
A climbing harness is all I use these days. So light and simple.
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A teather(climbing rope) from rock climbing harness attached to a safety line with prusic with a caribiner while climbing. Once in stand I move carabiner/teather to a line tied to tree above my head. That limits the amount I fall and can adjust length of teather. It is definitely lighter and cooler in the hot weather we hunt in here.
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I have a black diamond harness, I got an adjustable but a cheaper model, if were you I would make sure you get one with Pre-threaded Speed Adjust waistbelt and leg loop buckles for easy adjustment.
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I bought one last year to try but didn't care for the way the straps worked so sent it back without trying. I've been meaning to go to REI or another climbing store to look at them in person and find one that I like. I do really like the concept.
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I have a Petzl harness and attach to a safety line with a prussic hitch and caribiner like katman said. I have swung around on that thing and tested it in about every way I can think of and feel safer in that than anything.
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I haven't yet hunted from a stand (preferring ground hunting so far). I was, though, an avid climber for several years, and spent a lot of time wearing a climbing harness ( as well as selling climbing equipment and being a licensed rock and ice climbing guide). And sometimes falling in one. Sometimes hanging in one.
There was a thread about this a few years back. I will let others who are using a harness in their stand answer your questions, but as I wrote in that earlier thread, I would choose a climbing harness without a doubt over the full body harness. Many valid reasons why.
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Originally posted by Hummer3T:
I have a black diamond harness, I got an adjustable but a cheaper model, if were you I would make sure you get one with Pre-threaded Speed Adjust waistbelt and leg loop buckles for easy adjustment.
Thanks. I will look into that bi was looking at the black diamond. I think vario speed harness.
Oh thing is. I like to use it with/like a line mans harness also. If it don't have loops on the sides do you just tie off on the front?
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Originally posted by slowbowjoe:
I haven't yet hunted from a stand (preferring ground hunting so far). I was, though, an avid climber for several years, and spent a lot of time wearing a climbing harness ( as well as selling climbing equipment and being a licensed rock and ice climbing guide). And sometimes falling in one. Sometimes hanging in one.
There was a thread about this a few years back. I will let others who are using a harness in their stand answer your questions, but as I wrote in that earlier thread, I would choose a climbing harness without a doubt over the full body harness. Many valid reasons why.
Can you reccomended the proper attachments and hook ups for me using this in bowhunting application?
Should I use something between me and the life line(static line)? Or just go from the harness right to it?
I also read where guys reccomend a ropeman instead of the purrsic knot.
You knowing this kind of stuff is great. If you don't mind reccomending me on getting set up properly? Thanks!
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so if your using a climbing harness with attachment points at the front, doesn't the restraint rope get in the way while on stand?
i have the restraint rope anchored above me head so that i don't fall any great distance.
this i why i haven't bothered to try a climbing harness yet.
for ascending and descending a vertical rope in and out of the stand it would be fine but not sure i'd like one on stand????
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Okay...I bought one and have used it in several hunting scenarios. I killed 3 deer and a coyote while wearing it. Mine is a Petzl Pandion. It is a very simple unit and does NOT have a padded belt or other stuff useful to rock climbers mainly. I selected it for ease of application and low profile wear. I can't find a negative to it, but it IS different to wear than the usual treestand harness. The correct attachment point is in the front and nowhere else. Don't ever use the side loops as these are intended for gear attachment primarily. They might be stout enough to hold you, but a shock-load could cause failure. The tether line (I made my own) can either be routed upward across the chest/clavicle, or perhaps laterally to the side and under the arm...then upward to the tree. The former route is safer, and I only tuck the tether under my arm when I need to for a shot. I have found the front attachment and tether to be a complete non-issue at time of the shot. Like anything else, I simply practice my moves ahead of time.
I like the fact that...if desired...I can carry the harness in my pack (it is very small) and easily step into it at the tree. I built my own tether from a length of dynamic climbing rope and a good $20 screw-gate carabiner.
(http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g13/dillbilly/petz_1.jpg) (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/dillbilly/media/petz_1.jpg.html)
I would advise anyone to not be lured by unnecessary goodies like wide padded belts, padded thigh loops, etc. Most of that is related to rock climbing and the expectation of frequently sitting suspended in the harness. You don't need that for hunting and will find that a 'less-is-more' harness blends in better with treestanding. Be sure you understand what size you'll need for late season and cold-clothing use. Don't undersize. Learn a couple correct knots for tether attachment to the tree. I forthright admit that I don't use (and probably never will) a static climbing line or any of the automatic descenders.
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Kevin, great post. Thanks.
I'm not planning on it either, using a Descender. I climb with my gear. Even my hang ons are up and down that same hunt.
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Also...
My harness and most others do not have belts and thigh straps which unbuckle or unthread completely. All you can do is loosen them enough to step into and then pull into position before tightening. A rotund guy probably won't be liking them much. The lack of buckle-attachments is actually a plus if you fall...no buckle to fail.
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Kevin
Did you buy the one sixe fit all Petzl Pandion of the sized one. I have settled on the same harness. Not sure I will stay with this system but decided to give it a try. Plus I need a Harness for some tree trimming I need to do.
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tracker12
I bought a sized Pandion, though don't recall which one. I didn't know or hear of them offering a OSFA model. I just made sure to go large enough to easily slide it up over my cold weather pants or bibs.
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My harness as most only connects in the front, with this design you can sit in the harness and face what you need to while recovering.
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Originally posted by meathead:
A climbing harness is all I use these days. So light and simple.
x 3 Switched last year and don't think I will ever go back to a hunters model.
Bought the harness last year that Kevin Dill posted earlier in the thread.
Comfortable, light (a lot lighter than any hunter model I have used) easy to sit in - all day. Out of the way.
I use a long rope and gri-gri setup that tippit has posted before. Just do a search .
I have had no issues with connecting in the front. I simply route the tie-in at belt height, so under my left arm (I am right handed) and forget about it. I don't notice it and I have shot 4 deer using it. That is not a brag. I just wanted to offer that it really is unnoticeable as you maneuver though different shot ops.
I also use the tail of the ascent/descent rope as my pull-up rope too. One less thing to carry.
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Been using an Alpine bod harness for 2 years now. Recommend it highly!!!
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I had never considered this route before. I have the typical hunter types (Spider, Gorrilla, etc.)and frankly, they bug me a bit. They are bulky and have parts that can make noise. I paid 2-3 times as much for them as well compared to this rock climber harnesses.
I'm going to give this concept a try so I can remain safe with less bulk.
Another "find" thanks to this forum.
Thanks!
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Originally posted by meathead:
A climbing harness is all I use these days. So light and simple.
I do the same. Love having my upper body completely free.
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I just ordered the Alpine Bod. What do you folks use as tether from the harass front to the strap or rope around the tree?
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I've been considering this ever since I did some recreational rock-climbing in a climbing gym. I loved the idea of not having it attached above my head.
I probably will just wait until the harness I have wears out. Then I'll replace with a rock climber!
Good luck.
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Kevin - Great info! Thanks for sharing!
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The Alpine Bod, as I recall, has no front tie in point - it is intended that you tie your anchor line ("tether") around the belt and crotch strap, with a figure 8 knot. One rope, not one to another.
A full size locking carabiner is also sometimes used , connecting belt and crotch strap, as the tie in point for your (dynamic) rope, which ties into your anchor point.
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Originally posted by Bowwild:
I just ordered the Alpine Bod. What do you folks use as tether from the harass front to the strap or rope around the tree?
I wish I knew the exact diameter, but I bought a new remnant piece of approx. 3/4" dynamic climbing rope from *bay. I tied a loop on the tree end which I simply whip around the tree and pass the other end through. The other end has an oval screw-gate carabiner (REI) which clips to the front attachment loop on my harness.
Some harnesses don't have an attachment loop per se, and you must tie directly to the belt or the loop which connects the belt to the thigh straps. I didn't think I'd like that as much, which did play a part in my harness choice.
I like the fact that I can pretty much add or remove upper body clothing without the hassles of an upper harness or strap going out my neck area. Guys should also be aware that rock harnesses MUST be worn relatively high...higher perhaps than your waist line. The belt should be near or above the iliac crest (big hip bone). You do this to keep the attachment point as high as possible and prevent a risk of inversion if a fall occurs.
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This is the one I just ordered. Won't be here until next week (season starts in two days).
I liked the one Kevin pictured above but this one was on a bit better sale. Now I'm hoping I didn't complicate things because it lacks the waist loop.
I know to stay away from the gear loops as they aren't strong enough. I was thinking simply around the waist belt on either side of the buckle? I'll study the video posted at the beginning of this thread. I'm hoping I have something in all the restraint stuff I own that can be used as the harass/tree connection.
I like the idea of this as lighter and like Kevin mentioned, not impacting my upper body clothing as much as the hunter harnesses.
(http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae50/bowwild/440_zpsxi3evwci.jpeg) (http://s956.photobucket.com/user/bowwild/media/440_zpsxi3evwci.jpeg.html)
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Roy, absolutely DO NOT tie into the waist belt alone! The harness will come with directions for proper use: be sure to read them, follow them exactly, and practice with the setup before you're up in a tree with it.
I climbed in that harness for years(still have it), as have many thousands of climbers over the years. It's stood the test of time, and extensive testing, research, and field use. It's good, and it works. You must do your part to use it as designed.
For a head start on proper use, see my previous post on this thread.
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Depending on belt width and a few fitment particulars, you might be able to snap the waist belt and the thigh strap loop into a large carabiner, thus eliminating a need to tie into them each time.
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That's what I do with my Alpine, use a large biner to hook that loop to the waist belt and then my safety rope/prussic hooks to the biner. I'll see if I can get some pixs for you.
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Thanks for the advice. I will read the instructions and I just now reread your post slobowjoe. I looked at the opening video again as well. I couldn't see the hook up in the video though.
Based upon my experience with this I may be buying these for my son and grandson so I have to get it right.
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Here you go Bowwild....hope this helps some
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/yohon/IMG_1619_zpsfxtpy7lh.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/yohon/media/IMG_1619_zpsfxtpy7lh.jpg.html)
I just hook my prussic into the locking biner and the main line goes around the tree.
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I have a Black Diamond that I got last year and won't go back to my SOP. I velcroed a strong pound wise strap around the belt with loops on the end for use of a linemans belt going up the tree with my woodpecker drill.
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Ok. This is very helpful!
I think I have all these items as parts of other vest systems already which will make it easy.
Thanks
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My Petzel arrived today. Same one Kevin Uses. Got it for 20% off and free two day shipping. Will give it a try and see. I needed one for some roof work and tree trimming anyway.
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Just another pix I took last night while I was hunting of another option on hooking up. I have a bunch of safety straps and I put it around the tree and use another biner to hook up with a section of the HSS safety rope to the other biner on the harness.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/yohon/IMG_1620_zpsxcjw5all.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/yohon/media/IMG_1620_zpsxcjw5all.jpg.html)
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I've been using Rock Climbing Harness for a couple yrs and would never think about going back to a chest harness.