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Title: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: links0311 on October 12, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
I can't seem to find a leather quiver for less than 50 dollars. There are some very nice ones for 100-120, but I only paid 150 for my bow, I never thought I would have to match the price of my bow for a quiver. Why are they so expensive?

-Links
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: shawnee on October 12, 2007, 10:40:00 AM
Have you priced a side of leather lately?  A half side of latigo or oil-tanned leather will easily cost over a 100.00.  It will take 1/3 to 1/2 of that half to make a back quiver, especially if the quiver has any extra pockets or anything.

When I made mine, I probably had 10-12 hours of time invested, plus materials to stitch it, needles, blades to cut with, and a lot of little stuff that it takes to do many projects.

I bet if the people that make quivers charged minimum wage for their time, quivers would cost way more than they do.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: David M. Mathis on October 12, 2007, 10:44:00 AM
You know how many hours to brain tan a hide? A lot
for me. Mike
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: MI_Bowhunter on October 12, 2007, 10:47:00 AM
3-Rivers has one for $30.

  Ranger Back Quiver (http://www.3riversarchery.com/Product.asp?c=14&s=14&p=0&i=1150)  

I made my own but it still cost me a bit in materials, dyes, etc to get it the way I wanted it.

EDIT: I didn't read the item description closely enough, This one is not made from leather.  Sorry for any confusion.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: WildmanSC on October 12, 2007, 10:59:00 AM
Check out the quivers on the following link.  Mike is a sponsor:

http://www.mikesarcheryleather.com/

I have one of his 4" Hunter quivers and it is nice!

Bill
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: vermonster13 on October 12, 2007, 11:00:00 AM
MI_Bowhunter that one is made out of polyester.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: TimZeigler on October 12, 2007, 11:03:00 AM
Go to goodwill and pick up a used leather jacket and build one yourself (or three), there are plenty of build-alongs on here to guide you through. Tim
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: MI_Bowhunter on October 12, 2007, 11:05:00 AM
Sorry, my bad, I didn't look closely enough before posting the link.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Jason Lester on October 12, 2007, 11:17:00 AM
The 3 rivers one isn't leather. Leather is expensive. I have a Neet Traditions that is leather and pretty nice.

Mike's Archery Leather (Sponsor) has some nice ones. They are a little more than 50 but hand made for you. And Mike is a good guy!

Have you used a back quiver before. It may not end up being what you want. If you know someone who has one you may try theirs while target shooting. Regardless of the cost you may not like it if you've never used one before.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Jason Lester on October 12, 2007, 11:21:00 AM
Man I must type slow LOL
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: robtattoo on October 12, 2007, 11:36:00 AM
Try making one yourself out of 8oz leather. Hand-stitch & lace it, but make it plain. See hw long it takes & then think how much you'd want an hour for the finger-breaking labour, factor in the $60 or so for materials & you'll see why they're so expensive!  :D
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Archer 1 on October 12, 2007, 11:39:00 AM
I have made, and sold a ton of back quivers, and as shawnee said, It isn't cheap. If I had charged minimum wage, my quivers would have been well over 200.00. I sold most of them for between 50.00 and 120.00, depending on how fancey they were, and what kind of leather they were made from. You don't make a lot of money making quivers. You just have to like to do it.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Talondale on October 12, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by shawnee:
Have you priced a side of leather lately?  A half side of latigo or oil-tanned leather will easily cost over a 100.00.  It will take 1/3 to 1/2 of that half to make a back quiver, especially if the quiver has any extra pockets or anything.

When I made mine, I probably had 10-12 hours of time invested, plus materials to stitch it, needles, blades to cut with, and a lot of little stuff that it takes to do many projects.

I bet if the people that make quivers charged minimum wage for their time, quivers would cost way more than they do.
My thoughts exactly after I made mine.  They aren't charging enough.  Make your own by using jacket leather as suggested earlier or call local leather upholstery shops and ask for any scrap leather.  I got a lot, cheap.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: hunt it on October 12, 2007, 12:53:00 PM
Check out Stephen Catts mountain hunter quivers and the $150.00 will seem really cheap!
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Otto on October 12, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
Yep...make one of your own and then see if you're willing to put it up for sale for $30.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Kingstaken on October 12, 2007, 04:49:00 PM
If ya think a pretty lQQking leather back bag is expensive, have ya seen the prices on those 12 pcs of 1/4" wood sticks, about 29" long with some feathers and lead points that goes into that lovely leather bag? As a kid we used to find them and burn them in the fire....

We all said this is the best sport, never said the cheapest...$$$$$   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Killdeer on October 12, 2007, 05:33:00 PM
Oh, the sport is dirt cheap. That is, it is cheap if you make all of your own stuff. If you want the goodies without doing the labor, however, then you will need to pay somebody to do it for you.

I respect wholeheartedly to ones who do it all themselves, spending their money on tools, and their time and sweat on the equipment. There is an infusion of their soul in the bows they carry, and a fusion of souls when they take their game with cane or sourwood arrows that they crafted.

Some of us can't seem to find the time, or the skill. We pay. And pay. And pay. Gladly.

Killdeer   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Frank V on October 12, 2007, 06:14:00 PM
I have made 3 quivers & they are expensive to make. Even the one I was given the leather for cost me 6 hours labor. Drawing patterns,redrawing them,altering them after they are drawn. It has to be something you like doing to do much of it. Leather is very expensive too. Frank
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Labs4me on October 12, 2007, 08:29:00 PM
Links,

This is a very good example of, "You get what you pay for."

In 1992, I paid about $120 for a high quality latigo leather back quiver. Nothing special in terms of overall appearance, but definitely a quality made back quiver. Fast forward fifteen years to the present. In addition to conforming to my back like it was hand made to fit me (which it wasn't; just a stock quiver at the time), it has served as a day pack, a seat cushion one wet hunts, and a pre-season scouting "possibles" bag. Not to mention that it also adds a bit of rustic ambiance to my great room where it adorns the wall during the off season. And if anything, it has more character and is more functional today than the day I purchased it.

A QUALITY back quiver will stand up to a life time of abuse and you will find yourself sentimentally attached to it to the same degree that you become attached to your "go to" bow. This is why leather back quivers cost so much and in IMHO are worth every penny!!!
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: WESTBROOK on October 12, 2007, 08:39:00 PM
Leather aint cheap and neither is a crafters time!

Eric
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Lost Arra on October 12, 2007, 09:13:00 PM
I love leather back quivers.    :thumbsup:  

I just wish I liked using them.   :(
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: T.J. on October 12, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
Everything Huckleberry said!
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: electric blues on October 12, 2007, 09:46:00 PM
what is so hard about making one? all you need is a leather hole puncher ($3 for me), a hammer, leather boot lacings, and enough flat leather. I made mine in about 2 hours, and it cost $13. I also had enough to make a few broadhead covers and a small bag. Sure, it won't last a lifetime, and doesn't look like a decoration on a rustic log cabbin, but it works.

The sad thing is, after trying every quiver combination I could find, I ended up just carrying a arrow in the same hand I carry my bow. I guess I like it simple.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Steve P on October 12, 2007, 10:08:00 PM
Keep an eye on the classifieds. A while back I picked up a "used" Hill, and I question the used, for very little. Less than half the price of a new one. I didn't think I could buy the leather for that price and jumped on it. Check every so often and I bet you can come up with something.


Steve
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: RamiusEng on October 13, 2007, 09:04:00 AM
Like WildManSC said.  Go talk to Mike at M.A.L.
He is a sponsor.  He is hunting right now.  There is a post describing his schedule.

I have a 4" calico back quiver.  It is great!.  He just made me a compass pouch to go on the strap.  Try going back to one of the "Made in China" archery companies and ask them for a custom accessory.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: mike g on January 01, 2008, 05:24:00 PM
I ran across this old post by accident, Butt I would like to add my answer....
   First of all I would think I was qualified to answer, I have made a couple of Quivers in my Day and a few Armguards ta boot....
   Yes anyone can make a container to hold Arrows, Butt to make something from a Quality leather that ya don't mind looking at and that you will have to will to your Grandchildren may take a little time and craftmanship....
   Take my 4" Hunter Quiver, Yes I can make it in a day, I need some special tools to use on it, Some of which cost $30 a piece....
   It takes time to lay it out, cut it out, glue it up, hand stitch it and then lace it up.
   If ya add a pouch to it, More time....Etc
I have people tell me all the time that I don't charge enough, Well I'm not rich and I don't think most of you fine folk are rich either.
   I have had people compare a Neat Q to my Quivers....
   My Quivers are MADE IN AMERICA and they never see a machine....
   So my answer is I don't think Leather Back Quivers are exspensive....
   Especialy when ya by the right one and it last you a life time....
   Sorry if I ranted on a little....
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Labs4me on January 01, 2008, 05:30:00 PM
Ask the cows...
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Stone Knife on January 01, 2008, 05:37:00 PM
I would think that a well made leather quiver using quality materials would last a lifetime. When you put it in that perspective they are a bargain at $100 plus. I have one of mike's hunter quivers, it is a fine piece of equipment that i just love and expect to last me as long as i need it to.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Sixby on January 02, 2008, 03:21:00 PM
I was building and selling Sixby quivers on **** for a long time . I could not even get a good supply of leather and keep doing it. I was selling them for 149 to 200 as fast as I could make them and was getting about 10.00 per hour for my time. I built them with 8 ounce semi supple leather with a sheepskin collar and a pocket and knife and file sheaths. I also used 4 antler burrs on each one and they looked and worked great. However there is a lot of work in each one of them. I do think the ones that are just a leather tube are overpriced. I had a side strap system on mine to keep them stable on the back and lots of nice goodies like arrow seperator ect.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: DeerSpotter on January 02, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
I still have the deer hide that I haven't tanned yet, but yet if I make a quiver out of it you would be looking at at least $100 for sure.

Maybe Wal-Mart has quiver's, artificial leather, looking like a real leather, feel like real leather, but the disappointing thing is if you pay $.99 for it, you turn it over and you find a sticker on the bottom


" made in China "


And then you cart your " made in China " quiver, and you cart it into the American-made woods, it just doesn't feel the same !


PC
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: DeerSpotter on January 02, 2008, 03:51:00 PM
I have a 100% leather quiver, I paid 89.99 for for the basic quiver, and now I have to add my personal touches, so you gotta pay the price if you wanna do the dance.  Or you can make it yourself,

You can't even go to Mc Donald's for 10 bucks for two people !

And you pay $400 - $800 for that custom-made bow !

That be like buying a brand-new car and putting Kmart tires on it !

Take the best money and have, and buy the best quiver you can get.

PC
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: kawika b on January 02, 2008, 04:04:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Labs4me:
Ask the cows...
:jumper:    :jumper:    :jumper:
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: killinstuff on January 02, 2008, 04:11:00 PM
The guys making hand crafted quivers, bows, knives, whatever, need to eat to. Yeah they do it because they enjoy it but they have bills to and it beats "Made in China".. Not many drive around in new Suburbans either I bet.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: sticshooter on January 03, 2008, 11:02:00 PM
Quivers are NO FUN to MAKE. IT's WORK! Who like's to work for free?<><
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Gene Roberts on January 03, 2008, 11:13:00 PM
I got some scrap leather at thee local saddle shop.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: TaterHill Archer on January 03, 2008, 11:45:00 PM
I made 2 of them and they are hard to make.  I learned alot on the first one, so my wife's is better than my son's.
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: DesertDude on January 04, 2008, 12:25:00 AM
I'll give you an Idea of the cost of materials.
6/7 side of leather $8 sqft avg cost (Tandy) $160
   I can get 3 quiver bodys out of 1 side

1 deer hide (hair off) found at flee martet  $30

lacing $4ea x 4per quiver

1ea belt blank (Tandy 1 1/2") $15

dye $15 a bottle, artificial sinew ($24 roll) needles, punches, glue,& tools.....

The way I fiqure, I have about $120 in materials and 6 to 8 hours in this quiver
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u146/desertdude92275/DSCN0064.jpg)
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: JoeM on January 04, 2008, 09:34:00 AM
Hey Mark nice quiver I have one just like that on my wall!!!  :goldtooth:    Thanks again Joe
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: BMN on January 04, 2008, 06:41:00 PM
I received a back quiver from MAL for a Christmas present this year and let me tell you it's a great quiver at an unbelievable price.   :thumbsup:  

Bill
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: Scott E on January 04, 2008, 11:18:00 PM
cabelas has one that's 50$ doesn't look half bad-Scott
Title: Re: Why are leather back quivers so expensive?
Post by: sharps4590 on January 05, 2008, 07:52:00 AM
If you want good, clean, fresh oats you have to pay a fair market price.  If you buy them after they've been thru the horse, they come a lot cheaper.

Vic