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I cut a path with a weed whacker behind my house Saturday. Maybe 75 yards in and back. The woods are dense but nothing earth shattering. I had long kahki colored pants on(thank God). Upon coming out I looked down to "check" my pants. I noticed the lower legs on both sides half way from my knees down were discolored and than I noticed movement. There were literally HUNDREDS on tiny ticks on my pants. I have been in and around the woods for 40 years and have never seen anything like that. Makes me sick to think of a couple kids or somewhat for a stroll through there. I am really freaked out and think Iam just going to stay out of there till November. That would of been a good test for Permethrin. Bill
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:scared:
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Hate the suckers. Might be time for a controlled burn? I have done some reading on the subject and they say the numbers are increasing for various reasons across the country...now mind you I believe nature is cyclical...things such as warmer climate nationwide, increased deer population density, reduction in natural predators of the ticks (birds, reptiles, amphibians, small mammals etc). Lots of potential reasons. Seed ticks suck, literally, and are hard to spot, you can easily mistake them for a mole or grain of dirt/chaff. Check yourself well and employ a significant other :D Treated clothing via dips or spraying around cuffs, neck etc prior to going out is vital. Dont worry about the scent, better to not get Lyme or worse than worry about being busted by game. Play the wind instead.
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One thing I have always tried to figure out. I hunt another very similar looking area not really that far from where I was and have not had a tick on me from that area in 5 years?? Bill
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There definitely seem to be more of them than ever before...I spray every single thing I take out there other than my bow. Cold weather knocks them down some..the first frost around here really gets them heading underground. Unfortunately, that first frost seems to come later and later in the lower portion of NY. Last season I was out in shirt sleeves on Halloween.. I'd love a real cold snap for a few days in mid October this season. I just doubt we'll get it
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Permethrin (sp) works wonders!!!
Jake
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Get you some chickens!
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I backpacked into my hunting area in a Colorado Wilderness area a week ago last weekend to check out my camping/hunting area. Super high vegetation like I've never seen there due to all of the rain Colorado has been getting this spring and summer. I needed a machete to get more than a couple hundred yards off the main trail. It's going to take a good freeze to bring most of that vegetation down. Hopefully that happens before we head in for a week long hunt last week of September.
I have read that the tick population has exploded in Colorado due to the increased rain. I returned home Sunday and when I showered I found a tick buried in my right thigh. I carefully removed it with needle nose tweezers. It came out intact and I disinfected the bite area with rubbing alcohol. Tuesday night I started feeling sick and by Wednesday at 3:30am I had severe flu-like symptoms. I called my doctor at 8:00am and he was able to get me in to his office at 9:00am. He told me I could have one of the following from that tick.
1. Lyme Disease- Bacterial infection. Highly unlikely in Colorado. No confirmed cases ever.
2. Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever- Bacterial infection. Highly unlikely as only a couple of confirmed cases in Colorado ever.
3. Colorado Tick Fever- viral infection. Highly likely. No cure for it and it needs to run it's 120 day course.
My doctor prescribed a 14 day supply of doxycyclene, an anti-biotic, as a precaution. Death can occur if Lyme Disease or Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever are not treated promptly. Most people don't realize they've been bitten by a tick and think it's just a bad case of the flu. Severe consequences as a result. I lucked out and found the tick.
So far I'm feeling pretty good but I'm sure interested in finding out what the blood test shows.
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Originally posted by LongbowArchitect:
I backpacked into my hunting area in a Colorado Wilderness area a week ago last weekend to check out my camping/hunting area. Super high vegetation like I've never seen there due to all of the rain Colorado has been getting this spring and summer. I needed a machete to get more than a couple hundred yards off the main trail. It's going to take a good freeze to bring most of that vegetation down. Hopefully that happens before we head in for a week long hunt last week of September.
I have read that the tick population has exploded in Colorado due to the increased rain. I returned home Sunday and when I showered I found a tick buried in my right thigh. I carefully removed it with needle nose tweezers. It came out intact and I disinfected the bite area with rubbing alcohol. Tuesday night I started feeling sick and by Wednesday at 3:30am I had severe flu-like symptoms. I called my doctor at 8:00am and he was able to get me in to his office at 9:00am. He told me I could have one of the following from that tick.
1. Lyme Disease- Bacterial infection. Highly unlikely in Colorado. No confirmed cases ever.
2. Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever- Bacterial infection. Highly unlikely as only a couple of confirmed cases in Colorado ever.
3. Colorado Tick Fever- viral infection. Highly likely. No cure for it and it needs to run it's 120 day course.
My doctor prescribed a 14 day supply of doxycyclene, an anti-biotic, as a precaution. Death can occur if Lyme Disease or Rocky Mtn Spotted Fever are not treated promptly. Most people don't realize they've been bitten by a tick and think it's just a bad case of the flu. Severe consequences as a result. I lucked out and found the tick.
So far I'm feeling pretty good but I'm sure interested in finding out what the blood test shows.
I would also have your doctor run a test for erlichiosis. The prescribed antibiotic may be enough but erlichiosis is often off the radar screen when it comes to tick bites but it's a possibility. Pretty sure symptoms are similar to influenza
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I hate a tick.
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Russ, run over to Gaddy's and grab yourself some Permethrin, it wil be your friend.
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Ticks are probably the most dangerous things most of us will encounter in the woods. They carry many terrible and potentially fatal diseases. I don't hunt at all without thoroughly spraying my clothes with permethrin (sp) . I just hope they don't evolve like some insects do. Lice have shown up in about 25 states that are not affected by it.
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My son has youth season so I use a lot of Permethrin in September, before he started hunting I didnt go in the woods until the end of October, I hate those things!
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After you treat your clothing w permethrin, buy a bottle of flea and tick spray for dogs/cats and take it with you in woody areas.
Flea and tick spray for dogs/cats contains pyrethrin from the chrysanthemum plant. When you see a tick (or several) on your clothes, spray them with the f&t directly- point blank range and watch.. A tick will take a few steps the begin to turn in circles and walk downwards before falling off your clothes.. Fun to watch with a feeling of retribution too.
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Ive got an idea from a friend to make my own. Go to the feed store and buy some permethrin for cattle and mix a certain amount with a gallon of water and pore the mix in a spray bottle.
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I grew up in southern Maine with no ticks.Zero that I remember.
I came back to Maine years later and it was infested with ticks. Dog ticks mostly, not the lyme disease deer ticks. I think they are fairly harmless, But still very gross.
I tried my brothers dirtbike out across the field and back and had like 50 ticks on my pantlegs.
6 years ago I moved 3 hours north and havn't seen a tick in 6 years. I'm not saying there arn't some around, I just havn't seen any.
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I crawled into an observation post in the dark one morning in 1996 and when light cracked I could see a few hundred of them crawling all over me. I taped off my cuffs with duct tape and waited until dark before crawling out. That night I found only four had actually got into my clothes and bitten in. I got them out right away.
You're right, an experience like that will stay with you for a while! The good news is it doesn't get any worse than that :)
Thom
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Check yourself well, and all over, to make sure none have bitten you.
Bob
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I take some organic apple cider vinegar with mother every day, it is great for heart burn, digestion, blood, gout, and arthritis, I have not had a tick attached to me in years. I don't know for sure but just maybe. Forty years ago there were as many ticks around as there is now, maybe more. I was almost ready to get a monkey or maybe a couple of tick birds from Africa for pets, the rhinos seem to like them.
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I've shared this before...Happy Jack Kennel Dip at various locations, TSC was mine...
Water based...the cattle stuff is mixed with fuel oil type stuff and STINKS ---forever....I have some I won't use!
I got ticks in 20* temps when the weather took a 1-day warming trend( to 20*)...seed ticks may have hatched on the warm front, but it freaked me out in dead of winter hike!
Don't count on frost to kill them...permethrin all the way... commercial or home made...the home made may NOT withstand washings and last very long in a container...
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I grew up in CT and we were outdoors in the field and woods constantly and I only got one tick on me in all that time. I moved away and came back for some bird hunting and me and my dog were covered in ticks in the same spots as I played as a kid. I wonder what has changed over the years because I hear the same story a lot. I just read a story about up in Canada moose are being killed by tick infestations. I believe that 40 years ago they were unheard of up there. They said in the story that one moose had over 100,000 ticks on it.
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Blood test results are back from my Doctor and confirm that I do not have RMSF or Lyme Disease (both bacterial infections) but rather Colorado Tick Fever (viral infection) carried by the Rocky Mtn Wood Tick. Apparently RMSF and Lyme Disease are carried predominately by the Deer Tick found elsewhere in the U.S. The viral infection Colorado Tick Fever has to just take it's course and get killed by one's immune system as antibiotics will do nothing for it. Doctor says to cease the antibiotics he prescribed for me as a precaution. Length of time to kill the virus depends on one's immune system. I'm feeling great now. The good news is that once a person contracts Colorado Tick Fever his body will build up anti-bodies to it and never get it again.
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Good luck with your recovery. We have a lot of deer ticks and Lyme disease here. It is a constant watch cycle. The black tick has taken a heavy toll on our moose population.
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I am just finishing up a months worth of antibiotics for Lyme disease. I am going to continue hunting and am looking at different options for tick sprays for my cloths. I was looking at sawyers tick spray with permethrin, it says that it will kill ticks for up to 6 weeks or 6 washes, but then if you read the back of the bottle it seems pretty hazardous. Not supposed to make contact with your skin. Does anyone have any experience with this product?
Thanks Rick
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Just finished my doxycycline for Lyme didn't know I was bite wife spotted bite on my back blood test came back positive
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Google "Plum Island" if you are interested in Lyme disease.
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Permethrin for cattle ? Please explain.
Spray permethrin on your clothing !, but use Badgers on your skin, great stuff !
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Originally posted by njloco:
Permethrin for cattle ? Please explain.
Spray permethrin on your clothing !, but use Badgers on your skin, great stuff !
Two different kinds of 10% solution. Petro based and water based. The petro based won't wash away in the rain as easily, it's used for cattle and vegitation. Water based is what hunters want since it carries no odor.
Gordons is petro, Walkers,I THINK IS THE WATER BASED.
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Permathin.....
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Permathin,Permethrin, tomato, tamato
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Never seen ticks like that, but in the late 70s I lived in Pensacola, Fla and went on vacation and took my dog with me. Was gone about a month, when I got home and walked through the front yard, I was covered in fleas, house was infested too. Got a hotel that night and next day sprayed yard and house to kill all them little buggers. Funny thing is I never found a flea on that dog.
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just make sure to spray your clothes with that stuff..and not yourself. It's deadly to ticks, but can really put a hurt on you too. Let those clothes dry well before you wear them.
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Thanks Ray, I guess my concern was wearing clothes treated with it in the rain. what happens when it gets wet again and drips on your skin?
Rick
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Hey Rick, I've worn them in the rain and I'm still normal??? 65 and counting.
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Thanks Bill, I'm trying to decide on the lesser of two evils between using deet or spray my clothes with permethrin. Either way I don't want to get bit again, I seem to be magnet for the darn things!
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For what its worth... My daughter has been doing black bear research in SE OK for 2 years now. We got her started with Sawyers from the git go. She is the only one to do this in that area with no tick and chigger problems. When we visit we prep 2 sets of clothes with Sawyers for spending time with her in the woods.
MAP
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Thanks Michael , that's what I have been leaning towards. I take it that there is no problems with wearing clothes treated with sawyers in the rain then
Thanks, Rick
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I know all the commercial clothing that comes treated with permethrin carry no warnings regarding wearing when wet/in the rain. I just treated my squirrel clothing and it worked great. Skeeters hovered but never landed. No ticks or chiggers at all.
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If the permethrin gets rehydrated and absorbed into the skin it can make you sick. A guy told me once that he rehydrated his with sweat and got sick. It IS poison.
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BJ,
If that were true, wouldn't in this litigious society, there need to be a warning after treating and washing the garments, cause it's wet when you take it out of the washer and handle it?!!!
YET, the directions on Sawyer claim that it last thru 2 washings...
If it dries into the fibers to withstand washing, I'm not sure I'm ready to bite that it re-hydrates from rain or sweat, regardless of one person say so and getting "sick" while or after wearing it and sweating.
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This year, whilst turkey hunting I watched a tick climb up my trouser leg. I had sprayed my cloths with permethrin. The tick was Ok for about 5-7 seconds then it got giddy and fell off dead. I could not believe my eyes. Permethrin truly does kill ticks.
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Just talked to customer service at sawyers about permethrin. I was told that the permethrin bonds to your clothes like ink would,and that it will not harm you if it does get on your skin if wet. She told me the reason they don't recommend using on your skin is because it wouldn't be effective after 15-20 minutes because it won't bond to your skin like it does fabric.
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having had, fought with, and kept lyme disease in remission for about ten years, a few words about ticks and lymes disease from my perspective ...
all ticks are capable of carrying the spirochete borrelia burgdorferi (lyme). it's not just ticks, as mosquitoes and other blood sucking insects can be carriers.
ticks are active all year 'round no matter what the weather or air temps. i've pulled them off our dogs in zero degree winter with nearly 2 feet of snow in the woods.
there are NO blood tests of any kind or type that are 100% accurate for the detection of lyme disease in humans. false negatives are all too common. seeing a skin "bullseye" rash is also not an valid indication of lyme.
however, early detection is important so the bugs in you don't escalate to chronic proportions and then you'll have a devil of a fight on yer hands. lyme symptoms can take from days to months to show up in humans, unlike dogs who show it almost immediately (the "robot" walk they exhibit) and their cure is just as fast with 10 days of doxycycline.
there are also a number of co-infections that can happen with lyme such as bartonella and ehrlichia, to name a few.
in my case, i removed a tick off my hip and never saw a bullseye rash. 2 months later i had elbow pain and stiffness that was diagnosed as tennis elbow. a steroid shot and 3 months of liver and stomach killing anti-inflammatory drugs did nothing. through the intervention of a family friend i visited a naturopath who quickly made the lyme diagnosis. within 3 weeks of taking a regiment's worth of homoeopathic concoctions all my lyme symptoms were nearly gone. within another 3 months i was in remission, as i am today. i get 2 checkups a year, just to make sure they bugs are at bay as lymes is systemic and once you got 'em they're with you for life.
yes, early detection is the key so that either antibiotics or hearbal remedies can beat the bugs down pronto. since there is no way to be sure you have the lyme bug, decisions have to be made. personally, i'd use antibiotics as a last resort and go the homoeopathic, but doing something is better than nothing.
i can never ever remember folks having lyme-like issues until it was diagnosed in the mid 70's, in lyme, ct. it's my guess, but i do believe that lyme was man-made ... search out 'plum island lyme'.
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And now there's a new bug ticks give you- that will cause you to have an allergy to red meat. My friend Crispin Henry has contracted that...and its absolutely no fun whatsoever....