I was going to post this in the Hunting Knives and Crafters forum, but after reading what was allowed there, I wasn't sure if I should.
I have an old unmarked hunting knife with a stacked leather handle, and a nice carbon steel blade.
I've had it in a closet for years, and have kept it oiled, but when I got it out the other day, I noticed some rust on the blade.
After cleaning it up the best I could, I'm left with some dark, discoloration on the blade where the rust was. It's not really pitted, but more discolored than anything.
I'd like to make a sheath for it, and get some use out of the old knife. Maybe get some blood on it this fall. It's made with good steel, and really holds an edge.
Not that it really affects anything other than the looks, but I'd like to get rid of the off color, if possible. What would you suggest to accomplish this, and maybe get rid of some scratches on the blade, as well?
Bob
I just took it out in the sun for a better look, and noticed that the blade is stamped Jean Case Cut Co. I'd never noticed it before.
I shouldn't say stamped, because It's not actually stamped into the blade.
I'm editing this to say that I just looked it up, and it appears to be older than I thought.
I guess from what I've found so far jean was involved more in the sales aspect of the business around 1900. Don't know for sure yet why his name is on it, but it's pretty cool. I'll look into it some more.
Bob
It may be that it is an old carbon steel blade. They will patina after years of use. Alot of guys, me included, like that old grey patina. I search high and low for old carbon steel kitchen knives at antique stores and garage...just to find those old blades.
Bill-
Sorry...but I don't know what will get rid of that dark patina.
Bill-
I put them on a bench wire wheel and then light sanding with emery cloth. Put on a fresh edge, then oil, then call it good. I also like some of those character marks....
I edited my last post to include some info I just found online. Maybe I shouldn't monkey with it, and use it as is. It's got some pretty cool history behind it.
Bob
If it is just the patina on the carbon blade Flitz metal polish will get it off with some work but the patina acts as a rust preventor just like the blueing on a gun barrel and helps protect it some if taken care of.Hope this helps
Thanks guys, I appreciate it.
The blade does have a nice patina on it, but what I'm referring to, is an almost black color that was under the actual rust spots.
There isn't a lot of it, but I'm mad at myself for letting it happen. I've kept it oiled for years, but haven't thought of it for a while, and it rusted in a few spots.
It's one of my Grandfathers old knives. I usually carry the old Schrade Walden sheath knife that he used, or my Dads old Case knife, but I thought of this one sitting in the closet today. It's still in good shape, so I figured I'd spend some time hunting with it this fall.
I still can, and will, but I should have my butt kicked for letting this happen.
Bob
Not sure if you want to clean it now but one thing to try is 0000 steel wool and mineral oil.If that doesn't get it use fine emory cloth wrapped around a file.That should take care of scratches and all but will also remove the patina.Keep it oiled after.I'd suggest mineral oil.
At this point, I'm not either, lol. If I decide to clean it up, and I may, I'll try your suggestion.
Thanks Jim.
Bob
I would just leave it as is and enjoy it and the memories it holds and build some of your own to add to it.
howabout a can of oven cleaner and a scrubby pad, should only remove whats not steel. I have an old knife I might try this on.
Try Simichrome or flitz. What that doesn't get off , leave. Other abrasives will scratch the blade.
Pencil eraser works well sometimes.
Never tried this on a knife blade but I've used it on old military guns. It will take surface rust off without leaving any scratches. I use Kroil as a medium. I'm a big fan and it's 1,000 times better than 0000 steel wool.
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Mother's chrome polish works really well on my knives.
Thanks for the advice everybody, I appreciate all your help. I still haven't decided whether to clean it up, or not.
I thought I had a piece of leather that would work for a sheath, but I must of used it for something else at some point, and don't remember it. I'm batting a thousand today. :rolleyes:
Thanks again.
Bob
toothpaste. Dab some on a paper towel and get your finger wet and get teh grit you needs by moving the paste around. You can use it with a lot of grit or just a little. I also use pencil erasers to take off rust w/o getting harsh.
I never would have thought of tooth paste, thanks.
If I do decide to clean her up, I'll post before and after pics.
I've got another question for you, if you don't mind. If I do decide to go that route, is there something you'd put on the stacked leather handle to protect it. I'm sure it originally had some kind of preservative on it.
Bob
Bob,I refurbished a leather handled,Estwing hand ax last year that had the same issues.I used emory cloth and probably Scotchbrite pads to remove the rust and then put a coat of paste wax on the steel.
Much of the varnish was gone from the leather handle and what had remained,was yellowed.I block sanded the handle till all the old finish was gone and all the leather looked clean then brushed on a coat or two of Future floor finish.That stuff is water clear,flexible and water clean up.It is often used on holsters,sheaths etc.Thinned 50/50 with water,it is the best sealer I've found for skulls.When done,the handle looked brand new and still had excellent grip.
Sounds good Jim. The leather handle on this knife has no finish whatsoever left on it. I'll try the finish you recommended, whether I decide to do anything with the blade, or not.
Thanks once again for your help.
Bob
That is a good old knife. Jean Case broke away from the Case family of knife makers and started all new. They were in Plattsburg N.Y. At one point they bought a number of Remington knife designs. Later they became Kinfolk knife Co. Great old knives......I still use mine now and then. I just love a fixed blade from the 40's, 50's or 60's. Skinned my bear this past June with a Remington from the 40's.
Thanks for the history Ron, I appreciate it. The older sheath knives are my favorites. I'm always carrying one, or another. I have an old Schrade Walden pocket knife that belonged to my grandfather, that I like to carry in the woods too.
I'm not surprised to hear that It's a Remington design. My first impression was that it was a Remington knife, but I didn't see any kind of ID on it until I took it out in the sun, and saw the Jean Case etch on the blade. Good old knives for sure.
Thanks again Ron.
Bob
QuoteOriginally posted by ron w:
That is a good old knife. Jean Case broke away from the Case family of knife makers and started all new. They were in Plattsburg N.Y. At one point they bought a number of Remington knife designs. Later they became Kinfolk knife Co. Great old knives......I still use mine now and then. I just love a fixed blade from the 40's, 50's or 60's. Skinned my bear this past June with a Remington from the 40's.
Ron, I'd contacted Case to see if they could offer any info on my knife, before you replied. They just got back to me, and you were spot on with the history of the knife. It was actually made in the 1930's, and after seeing the picture I sent with my Email, they told me that considering It's age, It's in very good condition, and they recommended that I use it as is, with the minor tarnish that was left after cleaning up the rust spots.
I was going to make a sheath for it, but now I think maybe I'll try to find an old one in decent shape that will fit it. if I can't locate one before deer season, I'll have to make one.
I think I'll seal the handle as JimB suggested, to protect it from the elements, and get some blood on it this fall. :bigsmyl:
Bob
If there is anything that I have a little knowledge on...........it's hunting Knives and Archery and Motorcycles. My 3 favorite things. The only thing better is my family....... I hope you get to use that blade on some game this fall.