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Title: Is there a standard for a penetration test?
Post by: DanielB89 on July 13, 2015, 07:50:00 PM
I was wondering if there was a standard penetration test for bows?  For instance, shooting a phone book? etc..
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Post by: Simba on July 13, 2015, 08:15:00 PM
I've been wondering about this same thing. And what depth in the medium would be required to hunt various big game. Elk, mule deer, whitetails, moose?
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Post by: drewsbow on July 13, 2015, 08:15:00 PM
yup , get a deer standing broad side and put one through it
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Post by: Orion on July 13, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Nope.  No such thing exist, i.e., no universally accepted medium.  Folks have used a lot of different stuff, gelatin, dead carcasses, dirt and sand filled containers, etc.
Title: Re: Is there a standard for a penetration test?
Post by: Whip on July 13, 2015, 08:59:00 PM
Those that have been hanging around traditional forums far too long will know that the only true test of penetration is done on a dead cow.
If you have to ask, you missed it.
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Post by: Butch Speer on July 13, 2015, 09:06:00 PM
Whip,
You've got them scratching their heads now.
Title: Re: Is there a standard for a penetration test?
Post by: WESTBROOK on July 13, 2015, 09:08:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Whip:
Those that have been hanging around traditional forums far too long will know that the only true test of penetration is done on a dead cow.
If you have to ask, you missed it.
:laughing:

Yea...its still over on the L'wall if ya dig deep enough.
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Post by: mike g on July 13, 2015, 09:25:00 PM
buy a butchered pig and test and then bbq.
Title: Re: Is there a standard for a penetration test?
Post by: Possum Head on July 13, 2015, 09:34:00 PM
My neighbor's Chocolate Lab if I catch it in my garbage again    :laughing:
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Post by: South MS Bowhunter on July 13, 2015, 09:42:00 PM
Possum Head   :scared:
Title: Re: Is there a standard for a penetration test?
Post by: Possum Head on July 13, 2015, 09:52:00 PM
You know I have a sick/twisted since of humor and should have broken ties with me a long time ago!
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Post by: old_goat2 on July 14, 2015, 06:44:00 AM
No i don't believe there is, fresh dead animal would be best but even that has some pitfalls, no two places on itare the same exact density etc.  You just need to go with anecdotal evidence of what works well!
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Post by: tracker12 on July 14, 2015, 06:52:00 AM
The only true test I know of is repeated success of a BH in the field shooting intended game.  All else is subjective.
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Post by: highlow on July 14, 2015, 07:32:00 AM
Had a good laugh Possum Head. Thanks and I don't think anyone took you seriously. Objective penetration test is like asking what bow shoots best.
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Post by: Michael Arnette on July 14, 2015, 07:49:00 AM
Oh man I couldn't find it! Dead cow on *********** had me laughing so hard
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Post by: Bill Carlsen on July 14, 2015, 08:08:00 AM
For me...i read a post by Bob Morrison many years ago. He was discussing his tests with arrows and where the weight was. He shot two arrows of the same weight. One arrow he used weight tubes which distributed the weight along the shaft. The other he put the weight up front. His conclusion was the the weight up front arrow out penetrated the weight tube arrow significantly. I tried it and found that in hunting situations the heavy FOC worked wonders on game. I use about 200-250 grains up front and am very happy with the results.
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Post by: Zbone on July 14, 2015, 11:04:00 AM
See Dr. Ed Ashby Report...
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Post by: stonewall on July 14, 2015, 05:31:00 PM
You can go to the local stockyard and get a couple of goats. Let them clean up all your brush before you stick em
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Post by: buckeye_hunter on July 15, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
Ballistic gel is at least interesting.

I can't remember the three blade model they used, but it actually out-performed everything.

I also saw a three blade head shot through 2 hogs shields  where all of the expandables did not even penetrate the first field.

So, where Ashby showed two blades single bevel was the best, in the ballistic gel test the three blade out-performed everything.
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Post by: buckeye_hunter on July 15, 2015, 10:06:00 PM
The ballistic gel was interesting because it is a consistent medium. All of the heads tested were cut on contact. I was surprised that a three blade head out penetrated all of the others.

I agree that weight forward or higher FOC aids in penetration.
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Post by: tomsm44 on July 15, 2015, 10:42:00 PM
Thanks for reminding me about the dead cow test on ***********.  That story changed my life.
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Post by: elkbreath on July 16, 2015, 01:26:00 AM
yeah, the dead cow test reigns supreme.