I am curious to know how many of you guys and gals shoot endless loop strings on recurves? and how do YOU find them to compare to a Flemish on the same bow?
Thank you.
I like flemish string alot better.
I shot them for many years . A few years ago I switched to Flemish because they are quieter and the loops are stronger .
Besides that they are a neat looking string .
Years ago, all you could find was endless loop strings... I used them for MANY years, and never thought twice about it. :thumbsup:
I use endless loop strings on every bow except my Toelke Super D longbow ( it came with a Flemish String standard. ). The Flemish design is more durable however, the Endless loop system works great.
All I make and use. As quiet and strong as any flemish and can be made to a precise repeatable exact length with targeted number of twists.
I have several endless loop dacron strings on bows and they work quite nicely...recently I bought a Fox Maverick used that came with a low strand count endless loop low stretch material string...I have some fabulous Flemish strings and that one is the equal of any of them...build quality on a string is far more important than the type of string
DDave
QuoteOriginally posted by SteveB:
All I make and use. As quiet and strong as any flemish and can be made to a precise repeatable exact length with targeted number of twists.
x2. I would just insert 'first time' after the word length in your statemen t.
QuoteOriginally posted by shed hunter:
I like flemish string alot better.
:thumbsup:
Endless loop on all my recurves.
I have used both, I prefer Flemish twist.
Daniel, I have been thinking there should be a push for endless strings! You know the saying, "What goes around, comes around".
I learned to make my first, 1984, the year I was married, and so began my string building career!
Built many more flemish, became popular, in time, "came around". :bigsmyl:
Another endless loop fan. Been making them for 40 some years.
I like endless for a Dacron string for older vintage recurves.Made an endless Angel Majesty for a Harrison HSS I had.Worked great and was quiet with a pair of cat whiskers.There was a test on youtube a guy shooting a Border Covert Hunter.He had an endless and Flemish twist BCY-X built by Chad "LBR" and shooting through a chrono and there wasn't a difference at all as far as speed.I just prefer a Flemish twist with low stretch string materials.I like the looks and haven't seen any big difference.
I make both but can make endless loop faster and to a more exact length.
Flemish strings on all my Longbows and Recurve's.
I make and shoot both.
I think Flemish takes a little more practice to make well, and get the length right...especially if you deal with different materials, but once you get the hang of it one is as easy (or hard?) as the other. Same for the time it takes to make them--not much difference for me.
My personal experience is endless can have a little more noise, especially on recurves--but there's a ton of variables besides endless or Flemish.
I've seen some crazy statements made about strings over the years...tempted to list them, but no need in stirring up stuff. I'll just say none of them could verify what was said and leave it at that. Point being, don't believe everything you read (remember that insurance commercial? Bonjour!), especially when it comes to strings.
Properly made, either one will do the job just fine. Just depends on your preferences...Ford, Dodge, Chevy; blondes, brunettes, redheads; longbow, recurve, selfbow; etc. etc. etc.
QuoteOriginally posted by Tooltech:
I use endless loop strings on every bow except my Toelke Super D longbow ( it came with a Flemish String standard. ). The Flemish design is more durable however, the Endless loop system works great.
Interesting. Both of my Toelke longbows came standard with endless strings. I can't really tell the difference in shooting them, although I only know how to make Flemish strings. I'm pretty picky with them, and if I make one that has too many or too few twists, that string goes on the wall to wait for some other bow it might fit.
I've built strings for yrs..I just prefer endless myself ..but not mocking Flemish..just my preference
I really never cared which I use. My real concerns are the material and the correct length. Only ever string I had break was a B50 Flemish, it broke in one of the end bundles. We never could figure out why it broke, not unravel.
I use endless loop on my longbows and recurves.
I've used endless loops but, now I use all Flemish. Mostly for practical reasons. The jig is small and easy to build and fits nicely on the work bench in my apartment. Also you can build a flemish with only one loop and need no jig at all which is what I first started building.
Thanks Guys for your advice. I was involved in so many projects around the house that I did not get back to the topic until tonight.
Thanks, Tom
I use endless loops on my recurves and flemish on my longbows.
FWIW, preferences change over time it seems. When I was a dealer for custom bows, I saw "fads" (for lack of a better word) come and go. For a while it was short bows, then longer bows; heavier draw weights, then lighter.
In the last few years, it seems endless has become more popular. I've probably made more endless in the last 2 or 3 years than in the 15 before.
I have a few Endless loop but I mostly shoot Flemish strings on my recurve bows and longbows.
I shoot Flemish strings because that's what I know how to make....but I like the looks of an endless on recurves, particularly vintage 'curves. Gotta learn how to make them one of these days
I just had to learn how to make Flemish, and it was fun, but now that I can do either equally well its pretty much endless. Nice thing about Flemish is you can make one just about anywhere as long you have string material.
That said, I have never needed a new string in the field. Always have a broken in spare and have never needed it either. One of my hunting partners cut his string with a broadhead once.
Interesting question. Your age sir?
There was only endless loop when I started this journey.
Then I assume before my time just a knotted string was the rule.
Still prefer the endless loop over other methods.
I prefer Flemish twist but my Toelke Chinook and new Pika have endless loop. They shoot very well and are extremely quiet. Either one is ok for me, I guess.
You can make endless strings with two different colors for a Flemish look also.
I make 2 color endless with a dual pinstripe.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LBR:
FWIW, preferences change over time it seems. When I was a dealer for custom bows, I saw "fads" (for lack of a better word) come and go. For a while it was short bows, then longer bows; heavier draw weights, then lighter.
In the last few years, it seems endless has become more popular. I've probably made more endless in the last 2 or 3 years than in the 15 before.
The problems i've always had with building endless loop strings is the serving getting gaps in it over time....
What type of serving material do you use for endless strings Chad? and.... Does the material you use have an effect on the separation i'm getting or is it more likely my serving method?
When I first started archery some of the strings were made out of Linen. At least that is what I thought it was.
I guess that does give my age away.
QuoteOriginally posted by Kirkll:
QuoteOriginally posted by LBR:
FWIW, preferences change over time it seems. When I was a dealer for custom bows, I saw "fads" (for lack of a better word) come and go. For a while it was short bows, then longer bows; heavier draw weights, then lighter.
In the last few years, it seems endless has become more popular. I've probably made more endless in the last 2 or 3 years than in the 15 before.
The problems i've always had with building endless loop strings is the serving getting gaps in it over time....
What type of serving material do you use for endless strings Chad? and.... Does the material you use have an effect on the separation i'm getting or is it more likely my serving method? [/b]
In my opinion the gaps come from the serving not being tight enough and also not putting enough back serving to cover up around 1/4 of the place where the loop is tied together.