I was wondering if anybody builds their own tree stands. Not ladder type tree stands. The kind where you stick a few boards up in a tree with a few steps screwed to a tree type stands. I've built a few and I'm trying to come up with some ideas to build a bigger more stable platform on a single tree. Not 2 or 3 trees growing close together, but on just 1 tree.
Buy a quality climber and a full body safety harness and fall arrest system. Don't tempt fate, cause possible bodily injury, and family grief by fooling with 2 x 4's and plywood. Not worth it in my opinion.
Depending on how high you need it to be, you could sink 4x4's into the ground and build off of those and the tree. OR, we have also used 4x4's or 2x6's coming down into the tree at a 45 degree angle off the platform's frame work. All kinds of possibilities.
We built a huge boxed in stand, 31 feet to the bottom of it, in a big hickory...windows, doors, roof, the whole nine yards. The next year a storm came through and absolutely wrecked the tree, stand and all. We spent 4 weekends in 100 degree July heat, hanging in the tree like monkeys to build that damn thing...just to have it wrecked in the end. I vowed NEVER again. Now I hunt out of store bought lock-on's, ladder stands, climbers, or ground blinds.
Not anymore for me. I love woodworking and the natural feel of wood products. But not in my treestands. Wood rots, has hidden defects, weak grain, etc. Screws and nails rust. The tree you are screwing it into can have hidden problems.
For me, a good quality metal stand is the only thing I will trust my life to when my feet leave the ground. Even then, I am very particular on which stands I will trust.
Nailin' boards up in a tree sounds like a good way to get yourself killed. I do still have and use some of the old, over engineered, home made steel stands my Dad made back in the 1970's, but he was a tool and die maker and a welder, so they are safer than you could buy.
Nowadays I'd wager you couldn't buy the metal to build one for what you can buy a hang-on for. I get Ameristeps or the ones Rural King has on sale at the end of the year for 30-40 bucks each, replace the platform cables with chains, put on a better strap, and go hunting. Heck, I bet you couldn't buy the treated lumber to nail boards up in a tree for 30 bucks....
R
We've got quite a few on our property and I've got a couple spots picked out I'd like to build a couple more. Usually 10-15 feet off the ground though.
I built a lot of simplistic death trap style stands that sound similar to what you have described but later moved to a much larger type. Hopefully, your stands are better than the ones I built. I haven't built any for a while, but the last one I did construct did have the appearance of a very large ladder stand. It was so heavy (all 2X4 construction), I had to use a tractor to attach it to the tree. However the platform was four feet square with side rails and was made of pressure treated lumber. We called it the tower. It outlasted the tree it was attached to. A windstorm took the oak tree out a few years ago. It was a very solid and safe platform, at least up till that day.
Sure do but I do not use nails or screws into the tree I build the Stand used for 2x4 lumber in my shop and ratchet strap them to the tree I then use a homemade ladder out of 2x4 to cllimb into stand. All the work is done at home
Like Ryan, I have some over engineered steel stands that I've used for years. I don't leave them out all year, and inspect them often. No wood nailed into tree's for me.
Thanks guys for your input! Let me start by saying I've built several different types of stands by myself. I grew up building them with my Ol' man. I own 3 climbing stands 2 lock on's and 5 metal ladder stands. I've hunted many many times out of climbing stands on public land and compound bow days. Over the last 6 years of using my longbow I find myself building more and more stands like I described, because of the freedom of movement. I worked for a master carpenter for 5 years and I learned a lot about building stands. Any stand can be a death trap, a very strong well built wooden homemade stand can be very safe. Especially the ones you build onto a single tree, because there is no movement of the wood. Unlike when you build onto 2 or 3 trees the wind turns and twist the trees causing your wood to do the same. Also, I would NEVER use a nail to build a homemade stand. That's just asking for trouble. Bolts are all I use to attach supports to tree. My platforms are all attached to supports using 4" treated torque screws. All built using nothing but 2x6, 2x4, sometimes 2x8.
All wood is pressure treated and every few years a spray them with Thompson water sealer.
My grandpa dad and myself have built a few wooden stands. Grandpa prefers them.
We go the whole nine yards, they are basically an apartment w/o a fridge!
We sink the 4 corners into down about 6 feet underground with concrete, has 4 walls complete with windows, a roof, a sheet metal box cut into the side for when its cold and grandpa wants his buddy heater with him.
Enough room for all 3 of us to kick off our boots and enjoy lunch together. In fact some of my very best memories have come from those lunchtime gatherings.....really starting to miss home once in a while
That being said I only use hang on stands with ladder sections for steps, with a body harness when im hunting
For the cost of lumber and screws/nails, you could buy a great stand. Don't tempt fate. Stay safe.
Store bought stands are attached to trees, trees are wood, wood is unpredictable as stated above. So whats really perfectly safe? Build it strong and true and tie in every time you use it, store bought stands have claimed their share of hunters so don't think they're the only safe option.
Doug,
I know what you're saying, but for me it's not about the money and I already have plenty of stands. I enjoy building stands. In my original post I could have worded the description of the types of stands better, but I wasn't sure how to explain them to where people would know what I was talking about. I wish I had pictures people would know what I ment.
Ive killed a pile of deer and a bear from wooden stands but being a lil scared of heights I rarely use them. I don't even like the metal ones.
I quit building those (on my own land) a long time ago. Besides wind weakening them, it is not good when years later someone (or yourself even) hits an old nail or screw with their chainsaw.
I much prefer ladder stands -whether prefab or homemade- even portable hang-on stands, although I like climbing into trees less and less the older I get.
I used to make them. Not only are they a death trap but also an eye sore.
Racoons and other critters loved to crap in them. They were nice though when I was hunting with my girlfriends, plenty of room for them to fidget and the walls kept us concealed.
I'll use a hang on or climber or sit on the ground these days.
I respect everyone's opinion and experience's, but it seems like most post having something ending or starting with the words "death trap" not quite sure why that is. I can see why if the stand isn't built properly or if it is built properly and time, lets say over a period of 20 years, takes its toll why it would be a death trap.
I built a few steel hang-on stands when I was in high school. I made these out of steel tubing and expanded metal and used a chain to lock them to the tree.. They worked great but where awful heavy. Up until I was out of school and in the workforce I didn't have any choice but to make my own. A well-built homemade stand is as safe as anything I would think, a poorly built one could really get you hurt...There is a small patch of woods that borders my folks place, my buddies and I would spend all summer building deer stands from old pallets and scrap lumber... Now THOSE where "Death Traps" lol....These days I'm probably going to stick to quality factory built stands, Not because they are necessarily safer but they are so light and functional...BeauJ
I think I understand your original question and I don't have any ideas how you could make a larger single platform out of wood unless you had legs of off one side going to the ground or more than one tree trunk...BeauJ
Not trying to be a jerk, but based on your original post you shouldn't be surprised about the death trap comments..."nailing a few boards in a tree" and all that. That post, followed by your second where you give your carpentry experience is like a guy talking about "wanting to drive fast" then mentioning "oh, by the way, I've been driving race cars for 20 years".
Keep in mind that most people ARE NOT master carpenters and giving them the idea to go nail some boards up in a tree for a stand might not be the best idea.... just sayin'....
R
For those of you who replace the cables on hang on stands with chain, what size chain do you use and how do you attach it? Is it welded on or bolted thru a link in the chain?
I ask because I have several stands that have cables that are getting old. The stands are no longer made and I don't think I could find replacement parts.
Nailing boards to trees can always be uncertain. I have been in stands others have built which felt solid and looked good but I found after the tree had swayed in the wind, the nails had worked free, Further I have seen some nails break.
One time I had a board break on me where there was a knot in it. Another time I leaned against a railing and it popped right off the tree.
Definition of TRAP
1
: a device for taking game or other animals; especially : one that holds by springing shut suddenly
2
a : something by which one is caught or stopped unawares; also : a position or situation from which it is difficult or impossible to escape
Full Definition of DEATH
1
a : a permanent cessation of all vital functions : the end of life — compare brain death
b : an instance of dying
2
a : the cause or occasion of loss of life
These permanent stands may be good for the first couple years but they are difficult to gauge wear and when something will fail.
Further, they are stuck once assembled. Deer can change active trails every season.
Consider this option...Inexpensive steel hang on stands from the big box store and the screw in steps made by the tree stand mfg. Since you were planning to haul some tools anyhow, you can take a drill for pilot holes to crank in the tree steps. Sometimes the stands are under $50. You can get into some tight spots with those and get 2-3 up without a whole lot of effort.
And these can be moved later if needed.
Tedd
Nothing is fool proof whether you make it yourself or use a manufactured stand. But I would say your chances are greater of getting killed driving a truck to your hunting spot versus hunting out of a stand you built yourself. Unless you replace the straps and cables on your stands every couple of years, a manufactured stand is just a dangerous as the one you built yourself. Wear a harness and hunt the way you want to.
I know you didn't want ladder type, but here is mine. It was removed in Dec due to the land selling. Rock solid for the two years I had it up. Now it's waiting for a new home for the fall season. Cost me roughly $40 for all materials including deck screws and lag/carriage bolts.
I have two steel ones that are less stable than this one. Manufactured ones are scary to me. Always use a harness.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/Equismith/stand.jpg) (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Equismith/media/stand.jpg.html)
Bolts and nails are not the best thing for trees, or saws. Unless the land is family owned, you might want to check with the owner. Sawmill owners get pretty upset when they ruin a saw blade that hits a bolt or nail.
Ryan Rothhaar,
" nailing a few boards in a tree " is the only way I new how to explain what type of stand I was talking about. If you would have continued to read my post you would have read where I said that " nailing a few boards in a tree" wasn't the best way to describe what type of stand I was talking about.
As far as giving anybody ideas about building their on stands. You don't have to be a master carpenter all you have to have is a few woodworking skills and some common sense. The common sense is a big part of it.
People have to know their own limitations. If someone reads this thread and decides they want to build their own stand good for them have at it. Just do plenty of research ahead of time. Talk to some people that have experience in building stands.
Which is exactly what I was trying to do and that was to get some feedback on different stand designs people have built, but so far it hasn't worked out to well.
Just to clarify, the type of stand I'm talking about are very similar to this one. This is not one I've built, but one I found online. This stand is ok, but it can be made a lot more stronger, stabile, and safer. This picture is from Nat Geo website how to build a lookout.
(http://i.imgur.com/amGiMBAl.jpg)
Here is another design that I like. This particular one isn't bolted to the tree it is wedged on to the tree. I would bolt it, but this is for not harming the tree.
(http://i.imgur.com/PQurSMll.jpg)
Here is the same platform being used as it was designed. I think I would make a great bowhunting stand
(http://i.imgur.com/evqmTTIl.jpg)
My newest treestand is a replica of an Anderson Tree Sling made with nylon seatbelt webbing and a speedy-stitch sewing awl.
The land where mine was located is being cleared for houses. It'll surprise me if they leave any trees. They'll probably plant Bradford Pears. There was a nice straight Persimmon I wanted to get to attempt a bow, but it'll be ground up with the rest of'em :(
I prefer ground contact with my stands. 14ft 2x4s do well for that.
In most areas I hunt, I have to adjust every year for the deer having started using a new trail or moving over a little ways. Maybe a tree has fallen or different food source but I am hardly ever able to hunt the exact same tree year after year. So I stay with my portable Loc ons and move around as necessary. Not gonna do it with this type of wooden stand permanently fixed to a tree. Plus they look like an awful lot of work.
Have a couple that are welded up chain on stands. Heavy as sin.
QuoteOriginally posted by Ryan Rothhaar:
Nailin' boards up in a tree sounds like a good way to get yourself killed. I do still have and use some of the old, over engineered, home made steel stands my Dad made back in the 1970's, but he was a tool and die maker and a welder, so they are safer than you could buy.
Nowadays I'd wager you couldn't buy the metal to build one for what you can buy a hang-on for. I get Ameristeps or the ones Rural King has on sale at the end of the year for 30-40 bucks each, replace the platform cables with chains, put on a better strap, and go hunting. Heck, I bet you couldn't buy the treated lumber to nail boards up in a tree for 30 bucks....
R
Ding, Ding, Ding - I have not read through all of this so I apologize in advance for repeating what a lot of people have said but... I am a welder and have access to pretty much free material and still cannot produce the stands for the price you can buy them considering my time.
If you weld, or have access to one. There is no reason you can't build climbing sticks or ladder stands that are not safe.
Given the time I could build some treestsnd that are awesome. I am a fabricator by trade. And it comes easy. If your mechanically inclined you should have not trouble building a few safe stands.
As others stated wonder stuff is not so safe. But I can be if built well and not permanently attached to tree. And when given limited life in the woods. Time in woods is what will get ya. Rotten wood is the killer. And not wearing safety equipment.
I saw one last year that amused me. It looked like a large Torges seat for the base with a normal Torges seat and wood climbing steps. Just plywood, right angle corner cleats and rope. The guy really knew how to get the most out of trucker's hitch. I climbed up to test it, solid as anything I have ever risked my life on.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bobby Urban:
QuoteOriginally posted by Ryan Rothhaar:
Nailin' boards up in a tree sounds like a good way to get yourself killed. I do still have and use some of the old, over engineered, home made steel stands my Dad made back in the 1970's, but he was a tool and die maker and a welder, so they are safer than you could buy.
Nowadays I'd wager you couldn't buy the metal to build one for what you can buy a hang-on for. I get Ameristeps or the ones Rural King has on sale at the end of the year for 30-40 bucks each, replace the platform cables with chains, put on a better strap, and go hunting. Heck, I bet you couldn't buy the treated lumber to nail boards up in a tree for 30 bucks....
R
Ding, Ding, Ding - I have not read through all of this so I apologize in advance for repeating what a lot of people have said but... I am a welder and have access to pretty much free material and still cannot produce tree stands for the price you can buy them considering my time. [/b]
here's a nice one-----
(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj319/kittitiny/27958d1416920552-old-treestand-pics-photo-17-copy.jpg) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/kittitiny/media/27958d1416920552-old-treestand-pics-photo-17-copy.jpg.html)
[I poached the photo!LOL] :bigsmyl:
just an idea- but what about a basic, but large frame similar to a loc on- made from steel, that jambs onto the tree, with a skookhum chain, and then the rest completed in wood- wooden platform, walls , seat etc etc.
best of both worlds and no damage to the tree is a bonus.
i have built my own hand climber, that doubles as a back pack/ pack board.
i like it. i ALWAYS use a good harness and fall arrest system.