One talk about 70 metres shot
Another one talking about grooping within 2 in circle from 20 meters distance
It is simple calculatin that when an Arrow get misaligned only 3 mm (1/8 in) miss is 100 mm (4") at 20 m distance, or circle is 8" let alone tens of other human flaws, fetching hitting into the Bow, fingers rolls-off the string, ...
Question: what is normal accuracy needed for Deer hunting , 20 meters distance
6" is a good number to strive for at whatever distance you plan on limiting yourself.
Most will do okay with groups of 6 to 8" at that distance.
Groups are fine!!! Also, grooups are a great measure of "consistancy"..... Most guys here are probly capable of that. Some even better, Like 3"-4"!!!
However... How about EVERY arrow, inside a 6"-8" "kill zone" at 20yds...?????
Btw, Most folks here are probly capable of that to!!!!! :thumbsup:
6" at 20 yards? I think you might get a little more feedback on this question that would encourage you to strive for tighter groups than that. At 20 yards I am not satisfied with anything over 3" and quite frankly like to have arrows touching at that range. Let's face it, the practice range is the best case scenario for a bowhunter, once afield so many other variables are going to open that group up.
QuoteOriginally posted by bushwood:
6" at 20 yards? I think you might get a little more feedback on this question that would encourage you to strive for tighter groups than that. At 20 yards I am not satisfied with anything over 3" and quite frankly like to have arrows touching at that range. Let's face it, the practice range is the best case scenario for a bowhunter, once afield so many other variables are going to open that group up.
He was speaking of accuracy needed for deer. The vital area on a whitetail is 6-8". Accuracy wanted is a different story. Being able to split a shaft every shot would be ideal.
If you can't shoot 6" at 50, 40, 30 yards ect. consistently, you can limit your shots on deer to whatever distance you can. If you can't do that at 10 yards however, you stay at the range until you can. IMHO. :)
"Good is not good enough "!! Strive for perfection and when that high tension hunting situation happens you will do OK .If 6" at 20 yd. , or 3" at 20 yd. or all arrows touching at 20 yd. gives you confidence you must KNOW that your shoot will be good or do not shoot .
May life's simplest things bring you the greatest pleasures !!!
Shoot 1 arrow just like in hunting. The first shot is the only one that counts. Practicing with 4 or more arrows is fine to build up your muscles and memory of your shooting form so everything is consistence.
Are you guys use only nakid fingers release?
I personally don't know ANYBODY that shoots a hunting weight bow without some sort of finger protection. You need to be proficient on the range, but most important is controlling the nerves at the moment of truth.
The majority shoot with finger protection like a glove or tab but not a mechanical release aid.
QuoteOriginally posted by The Whittler:
Shoot 1 arrow just like in hunting. The first shot is the only one that counts. Practicing with 4 or more arrows is fine to build up your muscles and memory of your shooting form so everything is consistence.
2X on that . :thumbsup:
3" groups at 20 yards would give you a perfect 300 in indoor. I'm not sure many hunters are capable of that or need to be. 8" groups should be good.
QuoteOriginally posted by Gordon Jabben:
3" groups at 20 yards would give you a perfect 300 in indoor. I'm not sure many hunters are capable of that or need to be. 8" groups should be good.
I don't think many target shooters are either. As far as I know, it hasn't been done yet...though there are a few guys who are coming really close.
I think a few guys may need a new ruler:)
When you guys are quoting group size are you using diameter or radius?
Or a vivid imagination! (joking, no hurt feelings please) ;)
6" diameter at 20 yards would be workable 8" is bear minimum I'd say. 6-8" groups will put you in the vitals 99% of the time. My accuracy is about 6" and 20 yards and drops off rapidly after that.
I shoot NFAA 300 indoor leagues every winter and I know that I would be in bad shape if I had to put 60 consecutive arrows in a deer's heart. I don't get the adrenaline rush shooting groups in my back yard that I get when I'm about to draw on an animal either, and noepinephrine allows people to do some really impressive things that they wouldn't be able to do otherwise.
I'm with Gordon, big time! I shoot alot, and to call up a three inch group at 20 yards on demand is a very tall order when shooting instinctively.....!!!!! I have had superlativ days at 20 and 30 yards......but 5 to 6 inches at 20 yards is realistic....jmo
How do you expect us USers to answer that ? when you Canadians are always taking metric. We tried converting to that system a few years ago and it didn't fly. When you convert to our English system, then we can talk.
I've been around a few years and I have not seen anyone that can consistently shoot a true 3 inch group at 20 yards with a hunting weight bow and no sight. Guess they are out there but I have not seen it done time after time (and I have seen Rick Welch shoot). IMHO a true 6 inch group challenges most archers at 20 yards.
Don't know what is needed specifically, but everyone should practice those 5 to 40 yard shots as much as possible prior to deer season, and try shooting from a stand or on the top of a hill. Shooting down hill, such as over a creek bed,or from a tree can really be different. I just use paper plates over a creek bed or railroad track with a dot in the center for targets.
As far as accuracy with a recurve, Betty Grubbs from Oklahoma City, a two time NFAA instinctive division and overall ladies NFAA Champion one of those years (meaning she was the top scoring lady and out shot both all the instinctive and sight shooting divisions) used to shoot ping pong balls and also into the holes of 45 rpm records for demonstrations at the local TV station where my father worked. This was in the early sixties and she shot a black painted riser 37# Wilson Brothers black widow. My father introduced me to her husband, Johnny Grubbs, who became my coach. Unfortunately, she died of cancer relatively young before she set any more records but is in the Oklahoma Archery Hall of Fame. Not breaking 45 records on TV is pretty darn good. That's how accurate a person can shoot a recurve.
Don't know what is needed specifically, but everyone should practice those 5 to 40 yard shots as much as possible prior to deer season, and try shooting from a stand or on the top of a hill. Shooting down hill, such as over a creek bed,or from a tree can really be different. I just use paper plates over a creek bed or railroad track with a dot in the center for targets.
As far as accuracy with a recurve, Betty Grubbs from Oklahoma City, a two time NFAA instinctive division and overall ladies NFAA Champion one of those years (meaning she was the top scoring lady and out shot both all the instinctive and sight shooting divisions) used to shoot ping pong balls and also into the holes of 45 rpm records for demonstrations at the local TV station where my father worked. This was in the early sixties and she shot a black painted riser 37# Wilson Brothers black widow. My father introduced me to her husband, Johnny Grubbs, who became my coach. Unfortunately, she died of cancer relatively young before she set any more records but is in the Oklahoma Archery Hall of Fame. Not breaking 45 records on TV is pretty darn good. That's how accurate a person can shoot a recurve.
I have been feeling really good about my recent shooting. Help from Arne Moe, Dave and others on this site have helped me immensely.
With that said, I went out this morning and measured off 5, 10, 15 and 20 yards. (I've never measured off yardage like that before, just shot at varying ranges.)
I was amazed at how POORLY I shot. Shooting at a circular piece of cardboard (from a frozen pizza container) from 10, 15 and 20 yards... 3 arrows each, I would usually have one off the cardboard at 20 yards. The cardboard measures 10" in diameter. :knothead:
One thing I noted was that I have always "stepped off" what I thought was a yard per step... but it is actually less than a yard per step.
I have recently gotten my first true robin hood and have hit a plastic golf ball a few times from 40 yards... but I have a LONG WAY TO GO.
I've taken dozens of deer with the recurve... but all were fairly close shots.
Good luck with the accuracy!!
QuoteOriginally posted by Graps:
QuoteOriginally posted by The Whittler:
Shoot 1 arrow just like in hunting. The first shot is the only one that counts. Practicing with 4 or more arrows is fine to build up your muscles and memory of your shooting form so everything is consistence.
2X on that . :thumbsup: [/b]
I agree. I like to shoot an arrow, go do something else for a while, shoot another one, etc. Especially closer to hunting season.
If you plan on hunting, I find it helps to do some shooting after doing something that has your heart rate and breathing up some too, even if It's just walking around the yard between shots, instead of the nice relaxed state I'm never in when a deer or turkey is headed my way. ;)
Bob
QuoteOriginally posted by jackdaw:
...but 5 to 6 inches at 20 yards is realistic....jmo
Yeah... if I can get my release to sit, my arrows hit! I´m in there, if only I can get my release consistent...
When I am really on and paying attention, I can get my first three or four arrows pretty tight, the problem is, I make my arrows a dozen at a time and the more arrows that are in the quiver, the bigger the group is on the target. I am not sure constantly trying to shoot a quiver full into a nock splitting feather ripping pile has much to do with hunting. There are some that can consistently shoot tight groups with 6 arrows, but everything needs a nice set-up to do that. Once suitable grouping starts to happen, that is a good time to start seeing how many first shots are dead on in variable situations and with varied timing. Shooting at a target or a foam deer is never the same as shooting a live deer when still hunting or when one is shooting at an odd angle from a blind or tree stand, when you know that if you move a foot to get better balance the deer will spook, so you are forced to shoot with your body position and foot positions as they are.