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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Pine on March 15, 2015, 10:55:00 AM
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I have noticed in some videos of Howard Hill that he knocks his arrow on top of the knock point .
Was wondering how how many of you do that ?
I like a double knock point with the arrow between but I think I might try the way Howard Hill did it and see if there is any advantage .
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John Schulz explains Howard's method of nocking above. When handling the arrow by the nock ( back quiver) you trap the string with your other fingers set the nock on and slide it down to the nock turn the hand and you ready to shoot.
Go to you tube John Schulz has 1-4 part videos explaining and demonstrating Howard's technique.
Warning you may want a new back quiver!
Tim
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"I might try the way Howard Hill did it and see if there is any advantage"
Per John Schulz...this was done so placing an arrow from a back quiver onto the string, by holding the arrow nock only, was faster and more efficient. Coming from above the nock down onto the string makes for a more fluid, organic motion.
Kris
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i allways have knocked over, if you need to nock an arrow quick with out taking your eye off your target you just nock your arrow slide it down till it hits your nock and your ready to shoot without looking for your knocking point
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I nock below my nock point. Back quiver or Catquiver, doesn't matter. I slide the arrow down to my rest, trapping the nock on the string, then slide the nock up. Basically just like Schulz only I nock below.
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Funny...we made the posts above at the same time and both referenced J. Schulz Re: subj.
Kris
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I use two string nocks and nock between them. This keeps the arrow from sliding up or down the serving.
Ron
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I have used both. Cannot understand the controversy.
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dont think its a controversy its just explaining what howard or you prefer and why
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Nocking above is not compatible with a 3 under draw.
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I use two tie-on nocking points.I used one nocking point years ago when I shot wood arrows with mercury nocks.
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newhouse is correct about 3 under.
I'd point out one advantage of nocking over the locator is that if you change arrow diameters, you do not have to adjust your locator position to accommodate larger or smaller diameter arrows.
Arne
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I nocked over way back. That is all I knew of then. After being away for years, when I came back it had switched to nocking under, and also there were people shooting 3 under, so I guess there was a reason.
Anyway, just last week I retied my nock point to start nocking above again...just cause I like to.
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I nock over as I shoot a mixture of tapered and parallel woods, and as Arne pointed out, this compensates for the diameter difference without re-tuning. It's also easier for me to nock an arrow while keeping my concentration where it needs to be.
While I do use a back quiver, I don't nock the arrow by trapping the string with the heel of my hand like JS....I always have to tap my fingers down into the stalls of my shooting glove so any advantage of saving time in doing so would be lost.
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With my longbows I knock over preferreng the Mercury speed knocks with a nail polish coated, floss knocking point. I agree, you can keep your eye on the game, and it is very fast when using a back quiver
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I used to. I don't really recall why I changed over.
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I have always nocked over just cause. Didnt know about it being better if using different size arrows though, does make sense. I shoot home made arrow shafts some are 25/64, some 3/8, some are even normal size. Has always worked great for me, I only use back quiver on occasion. But I also like the fact that I dont have to look down to nock in hunting situation.
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I guess for me the downside of nocking above would be im a treestand hunter. When hanging my bow on a hook with the arrow nocked the nocked arrow would slide up the string. So nocking under makes more sense for me. Either way works no need to look down coming from the bottom or top just a preference of shooting style.
I use a double nock set one above and below so I do occasionally have to look down. it eliminates the nock sliding down or up when I shoot. If I get serious with a back quiver I may eliminate one or the other depending on which way I decide to go.
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I've always nocked over. It is the way I learned from reading early books about archery.
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I should also point out I never look at my arrow or nock when nocking a second arrow. I keep my eyes focused on the critter. Once the arrow is on the string, just slide it up until it hits the nock point and I'm ready.
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Howard Hill nocked over the nocking point because it was the most efficient way of getting the arrow to the string.
It probably saves a fraction of a second. These days there is seldom any real rush to get the arrows nocked, therefore making it a toss up which way you nock.
My early instruction in archery came from the pages of Hill's book "Hunting the Hard Way". I think it's natural for me to nock the arrow above.
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Nocking above is a faster way to get the arrow on the string. However, as has been pointed out, if you hang your bow with an arrow nocked, the nock will ride up the string, and quite likely the arrow will fall off of the bow unless your nocks are quite tight.
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My bow lays across my lap with me holding the arrow on the string. I also use a loose nock so hanging the bow isn't an option either.
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Two nocks here,over or under = flyers now and then.