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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: BHTGdogs on February 23, 2015, 09:15:00 PM
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I need to get a shaft to this weight for a bow I purchased. Any help is appreciated as this has turned out harder to do than I thought it would.
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Well, as a last resort, wrap a 30 or so inch length of solder with wool yarn and stuff it inside the shaft. Instant heavy. I did this with an old Beeman hunter (the skinny shafts). It was around 1,100 grains.
There WAS a problem. The Beeman nocks were not strong enough to take the force of acceleration of that beast and two of them broke on release.
When the arrow hit the target, all of the barbs of the feathers bent forward.
I bet that thing would have fully penetrated a T Rex,
ChuckC
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Monty Browning used to shoot solid fiberglass fish arrows on his heavy bows.
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No problem. What weight bow and how long? What FOC preference?
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Originally posted by Hermon:
Monty Browning used to shoot solid fiberglass fish arrows on his heavy bows.
He also used the skinny carbons Chuck spoke of, with a length of #12 solid copper wire inside.
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I assume you're shooting carbon shafts? If so, find an aluminum shaft that fits perfectly inside your carbon, glue the full length aluminum shaft inside the carbon shaft. I've heard this called a "double arrow". Yes, it will stiffen the spine but that mean's you can add even more point weight. I'd think 1000 grains should be pretty easy like that.
Ron
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Need actual bow model, specs and your actual draw length for starters.
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find two carbons that fit within one another (600 + grains, add 100 grain insert, and three grain head and you should be there.
saw this on an African hunting video if I can find it I will let you know the carbon combo.
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110# 28"
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Oh 110#s. Have no idea for that weight bow but shouldn't be a problem. I make 900 to 1200 gainers for my 71# recurve.
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BHTGdog, I have no experience with this, but if you are interested in trying a double shaft approach i have some old beman hunter shafts that may be helpful. i have no nocks or inserts for them, so no use for them.
(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y434/danamhay/Mobile%20Uploads/1424753662_zps550277d8.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/danamhay/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1424753662_zps550277d8.jpg.html)
This Beman shaft fits easily into at Trad Only 340 shaft, or likely other lighter shafts taking the same insert.
(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y434/danamhay/Mobile%20Uploads/1424753583_zps00c9c947.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/danamhay/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1424753583_zps00c9c947.jpg.html)
(http://i1274.photobucket.com/albums/y434/danamhay/Mobile%20Uploads/1424754045_zps348c5103.jpg) (http://s1274.photobucket.com/user/danamhay/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1424754045_zps348c5103.jpg.html)
always fun to have a few pictures. i imagine the weak point would be behind the insert, and would need to be footed. SPine ? :dunno:
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A 2117 aluminum shaft with a 1916 shaft inside at 30" and a 150 grain head should put you in the ballpark.
You could also slip a small section of 2216 over the 2117 for a footing for extra strength/stiffness.
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I use a carbon shaft inside a larger diameter 2419 aluminum shaft with about 200 up front and these weigh in 1200+. Hit hard out of my 115# Hill.
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Fletch up some rebar :)
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Easton dangerous game fmj 250s there 17.5gpi starting out. Drop in a heavy head some footers and you should be pretty dead on as well.
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I turned some ipe shafts a few years back that were 800 gr by themselves and about 110 spine. If you want wood that would be an idea.
Mike
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My son uses hickory shafts with 200 gr. Ace heads and exceeds 1000 gr. easily.
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Alaska Bowhunting's Safari will make 1200 grains with thier 315 grain points
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Fiberglass...or start with compressed Maple and foot with woodie weight...thick quilled heavy oiled feathers, and a heavy head.
I have some not to the extent above with a 135 grain head that weigh 780....regular fletch no woodie wieght no heavy head.
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Forester wood shafts, kevin can make you some shafts that will work
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I used Microflite 12s with hardwood inside, I found that to be too stiff so I went to cedar inside the 12s.
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Get yourself a fish arrow, problem solved
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I am shooting a full length 250 spine Dangerous Game right now with the HIT insert as 50 grains...with 300 grain points it is at about 940 grains...if I had left the insert at 75 it would be at about 965...not a big deal to glue in a couple of inserts butted together for another 75 grains...very staightforward set up
DDave
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Daz and stik and string that's kind of in the ball park I want to go. I this is a big debate in trad the carbon arrow, but I myself prefer aluminum have ever since I started. Even compound days lol.
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If i remember correctly i picked up the original recipe for those aluminums from an old article by Paul Schafer. I played with a few different sleeved shaft combos, but kept going back to that one.
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Sounds intersting. Can you still buy a half dozen arrows.
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Also how long do you make the footing
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When i was making "frankenarrows" more regularly, i would buy odd quantities here on the TG, the big auction site, or anywhere else i could buy them without paying a premium.
My usual footings were 1-3 inches depending on how much i needed to stiffen up the spine, and also if i wanted to up the FOC a bit. My experience has been that aluminums respond to footing as much if not more than carbons, with an inch of footing behined the insert adding approximately 4-5 lbs of stiffness.
I'm actually digging through my boxes to build a few for a goose hunt next week. I'm hoping to find enough pieces to build some 2219's footed with 1 1/4 inches of 2419 and some big natural turkey flu-flu's. A few 300gr broadheads and i should be good to go.