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Title: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: northener on February 23, 2015, 06:39:00 PM
Curious  which areas of the U.S. have a heavy involvement with recurves and longbows.

Here in my home state of Mn. It's spotty at best in fact when someone asks if you bowhunt they're already assuming compound. I explain I hunt with traditional equipment.Its like they dismiss it as a useless cause.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Blackhawk on February 23, 2015, 06:48:00 PM
From my limited experience, I have my own ideas about which areas have the most trad hunters.

I would have to say that Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Ohio have the most...but not sure who wins here.

Other eastern and mid-west states fall into the second tier, while the South and far west bring up the rear.

We have fair numbers here in the Northwest, but I think we are still far behind the other states.

OK, how am I doing?
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: archer66 on February 23, 2015, 07:02:00 PM
We need a what state are you from poll!!!!
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: ChuckC on February 23, 2015, 07:09:00 PM
I am guessing that Rob can run a query on his data base.  But that would just show what state has the most Trad gangers and not necessarily the most trad hunters.
ChuckC
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Whitetail Addict on February 23, 2015, 07:13:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by archer66:
We need a what state are you from poll!!!!
Yup, good idea. New York longbow hunter here.

I don't think I've run into another person carrying a traditional bow here in my area in the last 15-20 years. I know there are a few traditional hunters around, but it seems that the vast majority of hunters here shoot a wheel bow.

Bob
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: NIGEL01 on February 23, 2015, 07:31:00 PM
We seem kind of spotty here in MN.  The only ones I run into are at the shoot in Coon Rapids.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Blackhawk on February 23, 2015, 07:43:00 PM
Yep, a poll here only shows what state has the most TG'ers...BUT a contact with Traditional Bowhunters and TradArcher's World magazines could reveal even more.  If you are nice and tell them it's a research project, they may be able to tell you quickly which states have the most subscribers.  

I am sure every state will have more wheelie shooters than trad, but the results would be interesting.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Chuck Jones on February 23, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
Less than 1 percent of the deer killed with archery equipment in Illinois, are taken with traditional bows.

However; in our group of 5 bow hunters, all of us got a deer last season with trad equipment, on the same property. I suspect the success rate for trad bows hunters in Illinois
Is at least as good as the other bowhunters.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Mike Vines on February 23, 2015, 09:09:00 PM
Michigan...Hands Down Winner
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: karrow on February 23, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
I have to agree with Mike. Michigan
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: tracker12 on February 23, 2015, 09:14:00 PM
I was surprised to find a lot of Traditional archers in Colorado.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: shedhunta on February 23, 2015, 09:24:00 PM
Pennsylvania has to be up there I would think.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Roger Norris on February 23, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Michigan has sooooo many bowyers. I think we would win.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: KyStickbow on February 23, 2015, 10:06:00 PM
I have only met one person here in Kentucky that shot traditional...an older gentlemen that actually sparked my traditional interest 4-5 years ago. Other than that everyone I know is from this site.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: screamin on February 23, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
I bet there's a total of 10 in Utah and I don't know any of em.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Steelhead on February 23, 2015, 11:04:00 PM
I would say MI. as well.Thier is long history here of traditional bow hunting in MI.Fred Bear's influence has alot to do with this I am sure.Deer hunting with trad bows here was pretty popular before the advent of the compound in MI.

I think the recruitment of new trad archers since the resergance of traditional bowhunters in the mid 80s to 90s has been very strong in MI.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Keith Zimmerman on February 23, 2015, 11:05:00 PM
Gotta be PA.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: rockkiller on February 23, 2015, 11:14:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by screamin:
I bet there's a total of 10 in Utah and I don't know any of em.
Bet we could have a horse race    :)
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Producer on February 23, 2015, 11:14:00 PM
You say about ten trad archers in Utah; I say we have at least a dozen in AZ.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: elkken on February 23, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
I would venture to guess that the ratio of trad to modern bowhunters would not be too variant from state to state so the state with the most bowhunters would also be the state to have the most trad bowhunters     :dunno:    :dunno:
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: mbequines on February 23, 2015, 11:21:00 PM
i heard there's one other in Utah, now two
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: screamin on February 24, 2015, 12:50:00 AM
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: screamin on February 24, 2015, 12:53:00 AM
i heard there's one other in Utah, now two

Well if there's you and me and one other, thats 3      :biglaugh:
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: screamin on February 24, 2015, 12:53:00 AM
wow, what happened here? a triple post    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Shotkizer on February 24, 2015, 03:10:00 AM
I think mississippi has a pretty good showing.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: buckracks7 on February 24, 2015, 04:45:00 AM
I would guess PA, and then MI.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Anointed Archer on February 24, 2015, 07:19:00 AM
You would think Texas would have to be high on the charts just by the sheer number of hunters alone however I am pretty sure Michigan has the largest number of famed/popular traditional shooters in the world  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: kevsuperg on February 24, 2015, 07:33:00 AM
Idaho is going to have one more shortly. Not many in my neck of the woods here in NY.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: northener on February 24, 2015, 08:43:00 AM
Mi. came to mind as well. I am surprised with Pa. did not know.

I would love to have a all Traditional archery club, heck I would love to have an archery club where i did not have to go out of town.

Here in Mn we do have 1 bigger Traditional shoot with Coon Rapids, and its a very nice event. 100 miles away,on fathers day weekend every year. Iowa has a few shoots as well.

The archery clubs around here I would guess would avg maybe 10% traditional bow members.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Roger Norris on February 24, 2015, 08:55:00 AM
I have noticed more Traditional Bow Hunters in the "thicker" states.....meaning the hunting takes place in thicker, closer geography. Michigan, PA, etc.

Out west, I have NEVER encountered another traditional guy. And the guys you do meet laugh it off....."How are you going to shoot an elk at 50 yards with that thing?"

What we do is a different sport, completely.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: VA Elite on February 24, 2015, 09:01:00 AM
Well it ain't VA for sure. In fact here in the southeastern part, to most boys if you ain't killing deer in front hounds with a shotgun, you ain't huntin...Compounds rule the day if you are a bowhunter, but very few trad hunters that I know of. I talked to a guy the other day who was completely astonished that I sold my compound and began shooting a recurve. It was like I was the first to walk on the moon..
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Jon Stewart on February 24, 2015, 09:07:00 AM
Kind of a loaded question.

Michigan has 4 or 5 traditional only archery shoots a year. Anywhere from 300 to 500 archers shooting on a weekend, BUT, those archers need to be asked if they hunt with traditional equipment. My guess would be most flip over to the dark side when hunting.

It would be best to have a survey list at the sign up table and that would give you a more accurate count.  Better than how many are archers shooting traditional at a traditional equipment only  shoot.

I can say we will have maybe 15 archers camping with us at the Elm Hall shoot in Michigan. Only 3 maybe 4 hunt traditional or  primitive hunters and the rest use modern equipment. Some even use the dreaded "Bolt" for an arrow.

Take a poll with your group or just think back on what your hunting buddies are using during hunting season and that will also give you an idea.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Longbow58 on February 24, 2015, 09:19:00 AM
I know in our winter league numbers have doubled from 5 to 11...all 11 hunt with trad equipment. And we have 4 guys that shoot non-league and hunt with there trad bows. Proud of our numbers.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: rockkiller on February 24, 2015, 09:26:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Roger Norris:
I have noticed more Traditional Bow Hunters in the "thicker" states.....meaning the hunting takes place in thicker, closer geography. Michigan, PA, etc.

Out west, I have NEVER encountered another traditional guy. And the guys you do meet laugh it off....."How are you going to shoot an elk at 50 yards with that thing?"

What we do is a different sport, completely.
I think you nailed it.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: JD Page 1965 on February 24, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
Its Indiana.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: emac396 on February 24, 2015, 09:52:00 AM
I live in PA we have a good many trad guys but as stated above we have a ton of bowhunters and likely goes hand in hand. Michigan has more organized trad events than we do here but we may have more traditional hunters.
Either way there are more and more guys coming to our side and its good to see. I myself switched 7 years ago and fell back to dark side twice before committing 100%
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Oldbow KY on February 24, 2015, 10:22:00 AM
Here in West Kentucky we have a TRAD ONLY club with 43 members. We shoot at the range in Land Between the Lakes. Some of our members just got back from a pig hunt down south.

None of our members that I know of hunt with  funny bows anymore.

Shoots are always open to all TRAD shooters and want-a-bees and are free. With lunch provided.


West Kentucky Trad Gang ---- ON Facebook
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Mint on February 24, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
On Long Island NY my archery club Suffolk Archers has at least 50 members that shoot traditional bows. We have 500 members.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Bowwild on February 24, 2015, 11:10:00 AM
There is also a grad-only club south of me here in central KY.  

I don't think KY would come close to MI or PA or OR, ID, or CO.  

I think KY would rank well in the south though. There are several who live within 20 miles of me.  

I know of a place where more than 11,500 bare bow shooters will congregate May 7-9th but they shoot with wheels,but without sights, releases, or stabilizers. I expect several hundred of them will also compete for the first time with recurves at a concurrent event this year.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Longbow58 on February 24, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
Don't exactly know the numbers, but there are a lot of shooters come to Potter County,Pa.'s E.T.A.R and spectators that shoot trad equipment, but just come to browse the vendors. There are many states represented well.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: bluemelonchitlin on February 24, 2015, 01:12:00 PM
Here in SC I see very very few (enough to count on one hand) trad shooters at any 3D events.
When I hunt public lands in SC I've never run into any of our kind.
Seen more shooters/hunters in Western NC though but still not that many.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: ChuckC on February 24, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
well, if folks like the TradGang, Compton's club officers, TBM and any other larger group or organization ever does a query or sort, they could give us an idea, but again, it would reflect only membership, not totals.
ChuckC
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: sam barrett on February 24, 2015, 01:27:00 PM
I'm not trying to be biased, but I think PA must be high on the list.  I know a lot of guys that hunt with trad equipment and it seems like I see more and more every year.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Msbow on February 24, 2015, 01:57:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by JD Page 1965:
Its Indiana.
X2
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: actionjackson22 on February 24, 2015, 05:46:00 PM
I have to say Ohio has a lot of trad. Guys its the only place I have ran into guys hunting public land with recurves and I have sold and traded a lot of bows with guys at different shows in the area.but then again I'm close to Michigan and Indiana
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: dbd870 on February 24, 2015, 05:57:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Msbow:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by JD Page 1965:
Its Indiana.
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I think we are high on the list. A few states like MI likely have us beat though
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Keith Zimmerman on February 24, 2015, 06:56:00 PM
I would say during the last full week of July, PA has the most hands down.   :archer2:
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Orion on February 24, 2015, 11:46:00 PM
"Out west, I have NEVER encountered another traditional guy. And the guys you do meet laugh it off....."How are you going to shoot an elk at 50 yards with that thing?"

Not sure you're running into locals, Roger.  Most of the wheel toters are coming from the eastern states.  The western states have a lot of bow builders as well.  I believe Montana has more commercial builders than Michigan.

I think a fairly good proportion of local westerners shoot trad gear, but because there are fewer bow hunters by comparison to eastern states, there aren't a lot of them.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: swamper on February 25, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
Have not bumped into any the last 30 years in south jersey.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: ChuckC on February 25, 2015, 10:46:00 AM
We have a fair number in Wisconsin, but I doubt we are the top state.  I can't recall ever seeing anybody else with a stick where I hunt, unless I brought someone along.  Course, that is just a few places in a big wild state.

A certain keynote speaker just told our state trad org banquet that we are the best, of course, I think he says that at every talk everywhere    :p  

No matter how you stack it, we are definitely the minority out there...and that's OK with me.
ChuckC
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Orion on February 25, 2015, 11:58:00 AM
We're approaching 500 members in Wisconsin Traditional Archers this year. Don't know how that compares to other states.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Blackhawk on February 25, 2015, 11:59:00 AM
Here's something I found from a few years ago, but bet it is still about the same.  This list shows ALL bowhunters, but most likely is an indication of trad hunters as well.

Anyone surprised?

1. Ohio - 325,000
2. Michigan 300,000
3. Pennsylvania 286,000
4. Wisconsin 258,000
5. New York 214,000
6. Missouri 177,000
7. Illinois 176,000
8. Kentucky 106,000
9. Indiana 106,000
10. North Carolina 105,000
11. Minnesota 100,000
12. Georgia 93,000
13. Tennessee 90,000
14. West Virginia 81,000
15. Virginia 74,000
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Longbow58 on February 25, 2015, 12:07:00 PM
No surprise here.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: skychief on February 25, 2015, 11:34:00 PM
Per capita of all bow hunters, it could well be Indiana.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: danbow on February 26, 2015, 06:38:00 AM
I would guess a good percentage of those from Ohio are crossbows! There are a lot of trad shooters but the majority of deer taken in archery season are crossbows.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: stykbow67 on February 27, 2015, 08:46:00 AM
Being I'm the first one from Nebraska to post on this thread I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we're no where near the top    :laughing:    :laughing:    :laughing:    

Steve
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: northener on February 27, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by stykbow67:
Being I'm the first one from Nebraska to post on this thread I'm gonna go out on a limb and say we're no where near the top     :clapper:
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: last arrow on February 27, 2015, 09:50:00 AM
I now understand why it seams so crowded here.

I do see the occasional traditional shooter in the woods.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Kyle Lancaster on February 27, 2015, 11:07:00 AM
I'm gonna say Montana. Think of all the bowyers there.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: shag08 on February 27, 2015, 11:49:00 AM
I'm curious as to how they come up with those numbers. I can't speak for all states, but here in TN I'd say it's nearly impossible to know. They can't base it off of archery license sales alone. I buy my sportsman license which covers everything....so I don't buy an archery license. I know lots of other people who buy sportsman licenses and do everything BUT bow hunt.

Not trying to nitpick or anything. Just wondering how the powers that be come up those numbers.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Blackhawk on February 27, 2015, 12:09:00 PM
shag08,

Do you mean one does not have to buy a separate license/sticker for archery or muzzleloader?  One license allows you to hunt the entire seasons with all weapons?  

That game department is missing out on some funds by doing that...and good for you!
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Jon Stewart on February 27, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Blackhawk: That is how Michigan does also.  You buy a license and the weapon you use is determined by the season. IE: Archery season, muzzle loading season or gun season.  If you have an un-used tag from archery season you can gun hunt on it or muzzleload on it. Been that way for many years now.

That is for deer.  for small game you have to buy separate licenses for small game, water fowl etc.

We also have a point system for elk and bear.  Those are on a draw type system.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Blackhawk on February 27, 2015, 02:08:00 PM
Jon: OK then...so my state list of so-called bowhunters cannot be valid. OH well...

With that said, based upon my discussions, trades, sales, etc, I would put your state of Michigan near the top.

Being #1, #5, or #50 is not critical of course, but just a topic of discussion on a cold day.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Jon Stewart on February 27, 2015, 02:58:00 PM
I guess I am not sure if the original poster was wondering which state had more bow hunters or more traditional bowhunters.

Like I wrote earlier we have 4 or 5 good traditional/longbow and primitive only shoots but I would bet that maybe only 1/3rd at best hunt traditional.  Most I know jump to the compound or alternative type bow hunting.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: shag08 on February 27, 2015, 04:35:00 PM
That's correct, Lon. In TN, a resident sportsman's license covers it all...all big game species and seasons for them, small game, trapping, fishing etc. I think it is required to buy a federal stamp for migratory birds. And it does cost extra for draw hunts on certain WMA's.

But if you are a resident of TN, you can pretty much do it all for $165 (I think that's the new price...they changed it this year and I haven't had to buy one yet...expires last day of this month).
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Tajue17 on February 27, 2015, 05:00:00 PM
I can think of 6 other stick bow hunters from my state who do not use the computer and don't visit any forums,, no offence but a lot of old timers who shoot sticks don't have a PC or smart phone my father and cousin are the first two that come to mind.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Rod Bear on February 27, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
PBS which is a traditional based organization, has their largest membership in the East. Pa, Ohio, ect.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: aim small...release on March 01, 2015, 09:06:00 AM
I agree with Jon. I shoot in a traditional league in the winter and I'd say there's about 18 guys in the league but only 6 or 7 hunt with a stick n string. But the club is tuscola county archery and we have a trad shoot in July and it brings alot of people from all over
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: aim small...release on March 01, 2015, 09:09:00 AM
I agree with Jon. I shoot in a traditional league in the winter and I'd say there's about 18 guys in the league but only 6 or 7 hunt with a stick n string. But the club is tuscola county archery and we have a trad shoot in July and it brings alot of people from all over
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: myshootinstinks on March 01, 2015, 10:15:00 AM
I have hunted w/ a LB or recurve in Wyoming for well over a decade. Not only the deer/elk seasons but smaller stuff, rabbits, etc.
   Other than a hunting buddy or two that was hunting with me   I HAVE YET TO SEE another hunter/shooter in the woods or in a camp using traditional equipment.....honestly.   I do know you guys are here from the posts I read on the different forums.
   I really think Wyoming may possibly be dead last as far as the numbers of trad hunters.
  In that Wyoming is dead last in total population, I guess it's no surprise.
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: myshootinstinks on March 01, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Roger Norris:
I have noticed more Traditional Bow Hunters in the "thicker" states.....meaning the hunting takes place in thicker, closer geography. Michigan, PA, etc.

Out west, I have NEVER encountered another traditional guy. And the guys you do meet laugh it off....."How are you going to shoot an elk at 50 yards with that thing?"

What we do is a different sport, completely.
I think Roger is right on the point.  I did see a hunter in Colorado using an old Ben Pearson but that was a good 25 years ago. The compound shooters I've encountered here in Wyo do not seem to consider us stick shooters to be serious hunters.    :laughing:
Title: Re: States with most traditional hunters
Post by: Kudu Kid on March 01, 2015, 01:19:00 PM
I have never seen in the field a hunter using traditional equipment in Mn.  I know some of my 3d  buddies hunt exclusively with trad as I do.  I  just don't see any others in the field.

Even with the large Rapids archery 3D shoot, I know some of them still pick up the compound during the hunting season.