I didn't :readit:
Just what I was thinking. Great 3-D arrow, but with the lack of draw weight, is it a better hunting arrow than a loaded up 3555?
a 1916 aluminum is 600 spine & it blows through deer just fine with my 125 grizzlies, Deltas & zwickeys out of a 50# Don Dow longbow.
A 1916 aluminum is a much heavier of a shaft than a 1535 Gold Tip traditional shaft. I'm sure you could kill a deer with one, but it seems like it would be pretty light for good penetration.
Right now I'm shooting my trad 1535s 281/2, footed, with 250 points (42 pounds at my draw)512 total grains w FOC 25.1.
A 29 inch 1916 w 175 grain tip 508 FOC 16(less with a 150) both get about 31 pounds of energy
I've killed deer with Beman mfx 600s with no trouble (at my draw weight I am shooting about 44 pounds). The Bemans weigh around 490 with 200 grains up front. My Gold Tip 1535s weigh close to 490 with a 200 grains point up front. While not an "elk" arrow I don't consider them light weights. Will probably begin using them for deer at some point when my supply of mfxs dry up.
Shooting 15/35 GT's with 145 grain broadheads. Taken 6 deer so far with this set up. Really puzzled as to why anyone would have to ask.
the tune of the bow & arrow is more important than anything else.
In another thread :readit: it was said that the 1535 was a great 3D arrow, but might be to light to be a good hunting arrow. I agree with a well tuned arrow and placing it in the right spot is what matters most>>>--->
My CE 90's weigh 486 grains. I would think that would be a perfect hunting weight.
Bldtrailer, I asked the question. My 1535s are less than 500 grains but my 3555s are about 560 and my wood arrows are 600 grains. I've only shot a coyote with a trad bow (with the 3555s) and wonder how much 60-80 grains makes in penetration.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bldtrailer:
In another thread :readit: it was said that the 1535 was a great 3D arrow, but might be to light to be a good hunting arrow. I agree with a well tuned arrow and placing it in the right spot is what matters most>>>--->
That was me said that, and it is just from my personal experience. In my opinion, it is too light, and weighting it should make it too weak in spine to fly good. Its just my opinion though , even though I killed a small deer with it, I felt I did not get very good penetration. I have shot other deer with over 50# draw weights with un weighted 35/55 gold tips, and again was not pleased with penetration (or lack there of)> Again not my conjecture, but my experiences. Different things work differentally for different people. I just like heavier arrows.
Mine are 28 1/2" long and I'm shooting a 150 grain point. The arrow weighs 410 grains and there is almost 3" of arrow hanging past my riser at full draw. I am planning on using these as a target arrow this spring/summer. They are 9.1 grains per pound now. Next hunting season I will shave off some to make them stiffer and put a 200 grain broad head on it. That will give me a 440ish grain arrow and that equates to 9.8 grains per pound for me. Thats a little lighter than I like a hunting arrow but as good as these are flying for me I'll give them a try in the fall.
Tracy killed this bear with a 690 spine Easton Redline cut to 26" and a 250 grain Grizzly on the tip. 40#@25" Total arrow weight about 480 grains.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e305/zipperbows/TRACY-PC/Pictures/2014-05-30%20001/IMG_0566.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/zipperbows/media/TRACY-PC/Pictures/2014-05-30%20001/IMG_0566.jpg.html)
Here is the story.
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=137698#000000
This one is from the same set up.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEbxXTw2pRs&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEbxXTw2pRs&feature=player_embedded)
You can also add about 8 deer to this list.All except 1 were complete pass throughs.
For those that load up the front end of the arrow to bring the weight up and find the spine is too weak, you can also add weight to the rear of the arrow. By using a GT nock adapter and screw-in weights you can adjust the spine and weight of the arrow by adding or removing weight at both ends of the arrow......Dave
For those that load up the front end of the arrow to bring the weight up and find the spine is too weak, you can also add weight to the rear of the arrow. By using a GT nock adapter and screw-in weights you can adjust the spine and weight of the arrow by adding or removing weight at both ends of the arrow......Dave
I switched over to 1535's at the beginning of the 2010 season and have taken 14 deer with them since then. All were taken with bows that had a draw weight of 40-42#. At 27.5" with 175 up front they weigh 425 grains, I took 2 with a 29" with 145 upfront total weight of 401. My draw is 26" and have great results.
Unfortunately I didn't get any shots at elk, but my arrow was a 1535 with 360gr up front that weighed in at @ 600gr, very fast, very accurate !
Us short draw people, have many options.
I shoot a GT 15/35 cut to 29", four 4" fletch, with a 50 grain insert, and a Grizzy 145 grain two blade broadhead. With this arrow out of my Bob Lee 45# recurve I had pass thrus on a 4 point buck at 17 yards and 5 point buck at 24 yards last year.
I'm glad to hear from people who had success, although a biased view point is being presented because the people who shot a lighter shaft and things didn't go perfectly, like hitting bone and lost an animal are less likely to share.
Thomas,
Think of it this way, your .600's w/250 gr, points @ 512 gr. weigh more than my 30" .500's w/standard aluminum inserts and 175gr. points. Fine for most things that won't try to eat you!
Fans of UEFOC are finding out that one way to get there is modify/double insert a shft that would normally be weak for their set-up, but effectively stiffening that last several inches of shaft and allowing additional tip weight that would not normally be possible without it. Your footings are probably the only thing that let you get away with 250 gr. and still fly well.
Personally, I never liked the idea of adding weight to the nock end, point weighting is always preferred, its why back in the old days they footed shafts with a denser, heavier hardwood. Tie a string to a rock, and throw it, which gets there first , the string, or the rock ? Id just as soon the rock (point) does.
I killed two hogs this year with a 45 lb longbow and 15/35`s. I had a 100 grain insert and 175 grain point. . Worked fine. RC
I believe the Carbon Express 90's weigh more than the Gold Tip 3555's if I'm not mistaken. So is there any reason that wouldn't be a good solution?
Right now I'm shooting :scared: grains efc 28% out of my bear's paw classic 45@28 at my 27 draw length seems to be very forgiving and accurate :archer: w good penetration on my target (http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/bloodtrailer7/th_78bc3c72-7627-4666-a5bd-61cf356c4274_zpswyzvsou2.jpg) (http://s441.photobucket.com/user/bloodtrailer7/media/78bc3c72-7627-4666-a5bd-61cf356c4274_zpswyzvsou2.jpg.html) (http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/bloodtrailer7/010_zps726c6ecb.jpg)
I would say Bill and Tracy answered the question pretty well.
For my 47lb Palmer I have to use a 125gr head for them to fly perfect. The arrows comes to around 380 grains which is ok for 3D but to light for hunting for me. I use a CE 150 with 200gr broadhead which comes in at 521 grs.