I just ordered a 110# longbow. What are some things I can expect from such a bow. How do you go about arrows? I'm buying some hard wood shafts from Forresters. Just looking to see what others do with bows like this?
You really wouldn't want to know what I would do with a bow like that, but I'm interested in what other people have to say.
Very useful for prying a log over.
Just stringing that would twist my back now.
ChuckC
I would have to use two of mine to get that poundage! Want to see who does the heavy weights.
Looking at the bows listed in your tag line, i'm hoping you have a few more bow on the rack in the 65-90lb range.
A jump of 55lbs to 110 lbs is not adviseable.
Arrows will often be problematic. When i was shooting above 80lbs, finding stiff spine to match with longer shaft length and keeping 10gpp was often difficult. Now that i am shooting between 73 and 80lbs it seems i have more choices for arrows.
Good luck with the adventure.
Wow, I was thinking, if you took a 2216 shaft, slid a 2018 shaft down the middle, you'd have an aluminum shaft that weighs 24.3 grains per inch. So, if you figure a 30" arrow, add a nock, a 225gr point, some weight for the insert and the feathers, then you'll have an arrow that weighs maybe 990 grains? Then, you'll be at 9 grains per pound. I can't even wrap my head around a bow that heavy.
I can shoot a bow of around 80 lbs but my body objects to the point that I don't bother anymore. It takes some serious, specific exercizes to become able to handle that kind of draw. I always shot a 2419 aluminum shaft, you know, the ones that aren't being made anymore!
Like DAZ said, if that 55# Bear is your heavy bow currently, you can expect muscle, joint and tendon pain...thats if you get the bow strung...be carefull doing that as well. Good luck
Actually every now in my dog has been traded. I got an 88# I can shoot all say I'm not overly worried about the weight as this is more of a just for fun bow. Forresters shafts has spines upto 140#. So I also have arrows. I can go over 1000gr. fairly easily with the shafts he offers.
Auto correct lol. Every bow in my sig has been traded.
QuoteOriginally posted by BHTGdogs:
Actually every now in my dog has been traded. I got an 88# I can shoot all say
Seems like you have the same problems with the self-correcting features of modern computers that I do! Ain't it wonderful!
I hate it to no end lol. Need to start proof reading I guess.
I found that I needed much heavier spine than you would think. It really depends on how the shelf is cut. I was lucky to get some very stiff surewood shafts. 125-135# seemed to fit the bill for my 95#@29" longbow with 225 grain heads. Week on my 102# @ 29" BAMA bow, but OK with lighter tips. I probably could get some carbon shafts to work, but the 102# bow is just a training bow. Incidentally, those 7# seemed a world of difference to me, even though I could handle the 95# bow very easily.
A friend of mine has a 92lb @31" English longbow, of course he has a 25" draw length so that makes it easier.
I have shot it and was surprised at how easy it was to get to my 29 ish inch draw. Not sure if it was the length that made it seem smoother or if it is not truly that powerful. I don't think he has scaled it. Definitely made my 62lb recurve seem a lot easier to draw afterwards though!
Arrows are a problem he bought some horribly expensive wooden arrows with it and in my opinion they are under spined. they do have very light heads on them almost like conical caps rather than a heavy field point which I assume is to stiffen them up?
As poundage goes up, efficiency per pound goes down. I would not over estimate the spine requirement until you have the bow and you are certain that you are shooting it to your full potential. I expect you will experience dorsal/cervical area changes if this is a big jump of any kind.
What kind / make of bow did you order? I'm glad I got an order away to Kevin before you did! Sounds like we're after the same kind of shaft! But mine are for front-loaded arrows out of a girly 75# bow. Good luck on your quest! Plenty of people have shot and hunted with 100+# bows (just not me).
Lone wolf archery. It will be kind of a hill style bow.
I shot a 100# bow - ONCE! Now, I can't even get close to anchor. When I was younger my regularly used longbow was 78#, and as much as I like heavier bows, it became necessary to step way down in pull. Good luck with it. Be sure to exercise and build up to it slowly and carefully. Avoid practices that will cause injury. We will want to see pictures.
No, and oh my god, why oh why should I do that. I know people who shoot warbows in that poundage, but not me. Ain't got the armpower either.
I'm curious of what you are gonna shoot with it?
I'm glad you didn't trade your dog and it was an auto text correction.
As far as the bow of that weight......
:eek: :scared:
It will get shot at targets and maybe try to take a deer with it. As I weigh 3 times as much as the bow I'm not worried about the poundage. I started out at 15 with a 70lbs bow. Weight has never been an issue. And at the least it will be a good strength training bow.
I've got a cat I'd trade for a bow...any bow!
This thread makes my elbow and shoulders hurt! 60lbs is where the pain starts for me...
Be prepared to have a short career in archery shooting that much weight. As I get very close to 60 I am glad I gave up my 70# bows years ago as I plan on shooting till they are pushing dirt in my face.
I am imagining that that poundage shortens one's draw length a bit. After playing around with 3Rivers dynamic spine calculator for my draw length and 55-60lb @ 28" bows, I wonder what Shaft options someone has when they are shooting 100+ lbs? :dunno:
Believe I read Mr Turay of Northern Mist bows plucks those big bows.....
Guys this will not be a bow that is my go to bow. This is a bow for fun.
QuoteOriginally posted by pavan:
As poundage goes up, efficiency per pound goes down. I would not over estimate the spine requirement until you have the bow and you are certain that you are shooting it to your full potential. I expect you will experience dorsal/cervical area changes if this is a big jump of any kind.
The RATE may go down....but at same arrow weight per pound with same bow design. ...effeciency will go UP......NOT down...just wanted to make that clear.
BTW....Arrow Dynamic Golds work for me....with a 175 gr head and mini aquarium tubing inside shaft.
Even if it was your "go to" bow, as long as you are comfortable with the poundage and accurate it is your journey.
You will find that there are some fairly strong and divisive opinions when it comes to draw weight.
Carbon Tech Safari's with a three inch + footing on the front (to stiffen spine) may be your best bet for durable/tuneable/spine plus gpp requirements.
Just be careful. I am a young and strong guy, started shooting 60 lbs at age 13 or 14 and can easily hande 100-plus, but choose not to exceed 60 lb draw weight because I want to shoot for years to come. Rest assured that if you overdo it you will have problems. Your shoulder is not designed to withstand the level of stress shooting a heavy bow any significant amount of times will put on it.
Look at major league pitchers that throw hard- typically last until age 30 or 35 only if they have rotator cufff/tommy john/ect operations. Is it posible to throw a baseball hard thusands of times? Or shoot thousands of arrows out of a heavy bow? Yes and yes, but it will destroy your body in time. Like I said, don't overdo it.
Try some re-bar or broom sticks the plastic coated ones are better
And don't underestimate the value of weight-training. I've noticed the greatest carryover to my bow pulling strength from doing conventional deadlifts and front squats (utilizing a clean grip really hits the upper back).
Very impressive that people can pull 100+ bows! 67lbs can kick my ass after extended practice incorporating Rick Welch's shooting style of holding at anchor.
Serious question - how are you guys stringing such heavy bows, especially the longbows?
Webster stringer. Nate from Bama bows lays the bottom tip on the ground, puts his kneenon the riser, them pulls the topnlimb toward himself. I am not coordinated enough for this.
Pdk, chupa and the rest all threw in some good advice. I've shot bows all the way to 105# and I tell you, once you get into the 80's and above you'd better be doing some serious focused training to stay on top of it and not hurt yourself. Bow length and type is a big factor. Shooting a 76" 105#@32 bamboo backed English longbow with a little stringfollow is WAY easier than a 69" glass 94@29 straight or backset Hill Style that is for dang sure. The big long ELB lets you really lay your body in the bow as the old English used to say. Its amazing how much leverage increased bow length gives you at higher draw weights too. I actually became pretty decent shooting the big warbow with broadheads on 33" poplar arrows at 20 yds...I had plans of hunting with it, but the setup proved too cumbersome and I shelved that plan for the time being. The 94@29 Hill was a beast. I also had a 105@30" 69" Hill as well, also a monster. Bows of those kind of poundages take a high degree of dedication and discipline to shoot with any measure of control. You need to train drawing the bow and holding on non-shooting days, shoot it, cross train with weights and calisthenics like pull ups, and also give your body time to rest. You can pull a muscle or strain a ligament/tendon and develop tendonitis real easy if you get cocky and overdo it and do too much too fast. It pays to work up in poundage, and me I'd want a bow in the 70's at least to have some "light days" in between when I was shooting the 100#er. I've found that I can be a little more lax with anything 80's or less. That's my comfort zone. Once I hit the 90's on the glass Hill I realized it was a whole new ball game. I've since taken a break from heavies. My last bow was the 94@29 Hill. I think I may try an 84@29 next time and know that I can play around a bit more and not have to be so systematic and consistent with the drawing and shooting.
The hardest part honestly is building a decent tunable arrow for these monsters. There are options out there, but to get a heavy enough stiff enough shaft and enough FOC can be a little chore, and it can cost a bit too depending on what you go with.
Modern bows are so efficient that shooting these high poundages is more for enjoyment than any real practical use anyway. No need to hunt a rhino with a 100# Hill when a 75-80# hotrod recurve or hybrid longbow will do the job as good or better.
Oh and stringing...I used webbing stringer or step through.
QuoteOriginally posted by nineworlds9:
Pdk, chupa and the rest all threw in some good advice. I've shot bows all the way to 105# and I tell you, once you get into the 80's and above you'd better be doing some serious focused training to stay on top of it and not hurt yourself. Bow length and type is a big factor. Shooting a 76" 105#@32 bamboo backed English longbow with a little stringfollow is WAY easier than a 69" glass 94@29 straight or backset Hill Style that is for dang sure. The big long ELB lets you really lay your body in the bow as the old English used to say. Its amazing how much leverage increased bow length gives you at higher draw weights too. I actually became pretty decent shooting the big warbow with broadheads on 33" poplar arrows at 20 yds...I had plans of hunting with it, but the setup proved too cumbersome and I shelved that plan for the time being. The 94@29 Hill was a beast. I also had a 105@30" 69" Hill as well, also a monster. Bows of those kind of poundages take a high degree of dedication and discipline to shoot with any measure of control. You need to train drawing the bow and holding on non-shooting days, shoot it, cross train with weights and calisthenics like pull ups, and also give your body time to rest. You can pull a muscle or strain a ligament/tendon and develop tendonitis real easy if you get cocky and overdo it and do too much too fast. It pays to work up in poundage, and me I'd want a bow in the 70's at least to have some "light days" in between when I was shooting the 100#er. I've found that I can be a little more lax with anything 80's or less. That's my comfort zone. Once I hit the 90's on the glass Hill I realized it was a whole new ball game. I've since taken a break from heavies. My last bow was the 94@29 Hill. I think I may try an 84@29 next time and know that I can play around a bit more and not have to be so systematic and consistent with the drawing and shooting.
The hardest part honestly is building a decent tunable arrow for these monsters. There are options out there, but to get a heavy enough stiff enough shaft and enough FOC can be a little chore, and it can cost a bit too depending on what you go with.
Modern bows are so efficient that shooting these high poundages is more for enjoyment than any real practical use anyway. No need to hunt a rhino with a 100# Hill when a 75-80# hotrod recurve or hybrid longbow will do the job as good or better.
This, exactly.
I used to shoot a 112# warbow, back in the UK (that's 112@36") & length is your friend. My first warbow was 76" & it didn't take long before I switched to an 84"
At the same weight (give or take a pound) it was much easier to draw & hold.
Keep shooting lighter bows, but make sure that you're drawing in the same manner & anchoring in the same place.
Also, you WILL have to modify your draw significantly. If you try & draw with your bow arm straight, you're going to get hurt. A dynamic 'V' draw, or vertical 'T' draw makes life much easier, although neither are particularly suitable for hunting. There's a huge amount of movement involved in either.
Here's a picture of my son shooting his 90# longbow. I posted this a few years back but he still shoots this weight even at 3D shoots.
Oops! I just figured out you can't cut and paste a video. You can view it on a May 6, 2011 posting I had made unless Terry Green can put it in here for me.
for weight lifting you cannot beat; deadlifts, bent over rows and one arm dumbbell rows to build back muscles to handle serious bow weights.
What happened to our member RagingWaters?
He seemed to shoot everything over 100#
What i would do with a 100# bow? well I would look it over, admire the lines and finish, and hand it back to the owner.... Them days are long gone for this kid. :rolleyes:
Try not to hurt yourself big guy....building muscle only goes so far. Tearing rotor cuffs and ligaments can effect you the rest of your life....
I have a friend that separated his sternum after shooting 100 lb plus bows for years. End of that. After months of healing he now shoots nothing over 70.
God bless, Steve
I still shoot my bows for 100# to 160# I shoot 2440 with cusmstom made 11uminum nocks also wood arrows.
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I have a friend that separated his sternum after shooting 100 lb plus bows for years. End of that. After months of healing he now shoots nothing over 70.
God bless, Steve
Ouch.
Just ouch
Just reading this thread makes my shoulder hurt!
I'm tagging close to 80#@36" with my Manchu evolution. 100 is my ultimate goal, and as everyone has said, longer is easier. I'm interested in a longer horn bow to help the draw. With thumb draw I use 90-95# spine doug fir or just use bamboo as it doesn't give much of a rip about spine.
Edward, kinds going off into the ditch here, but have you ever thought about doing a thread on how to use those thumb rings?
I have, weather needs to warm up some though. Supposed to get into the low teens in a day or so.
Dang, that must be tough on you southerners. We have been up into '70's last few days but that's not at all normal.
I shoot heavy bows (heaviest currently is 115# @ 28, and my go to is 86# @ 26) and have for some years. Good luck on the journey and remember to have fun!
When I was shooting heavy bows, I never hurt my shoulder. I did experience a couple of episodes with a dislocation of my dorsal/cervical at times. I think regular training with dumbells was a big help. Particularly, butterflies done very slowly with moderate weight dumbells. This helps keep the shoulders balanced and in position. What did me in was a base joint separation of my middle finger while shooting a 96 pound bow and later an elbow injury with a muscle rip when I had an accident with a heavy barbell. That all took a long time to heal.