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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: don kauss on January 31, 2015, 10:15:00 AM
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This post is an Ode to the Unloseable Miracle Point; The Zwickey Judo;
When I was a youngster, before I ever knew about the Zwickey Judo, losing arrows was a pretty big problem...After I started using the Judo, I hardly lost any...In fact, the only Judo-tipped arrows I have lost are ones that have been shot in deep snow (hunting rabbits), or shooting aerial discs, and I shot them over field and into forest (without Flu-Flus) and never found them...
Not only that, but I wouldn't have even shot as much practice without them...the Judo gives you a freedom to take risky shots (ridgetops, field edges, etc.) while stumpshooting, because you know it will grab on impact...
My hat is off... :notworthy:
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How about you?
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Awesome head! The only time that I lose them is when all the wires are broke off!!! :thumbsup:
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I've lost a couple when trying risky limb shots on squirrels without flu flus. And I had one Judo to back out of the arrow while on my bow quiver walking through a bunch of thick mess...it was lost but the arrow stayed in the quiver so that doesn't count.
Never lost an arrow when shooting shots that the Judo was designed to save arrows while shooting. Great points for sure.
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A few have been claimed by poor shots against rocks, but most of them just keep on truckin'. I tape the front of the shaft with duct tape so even when the shaft breaks, the judo stays attached. I have some judos that have lots of battle scars, and just keep on doing their job. Judos are money well spent.
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Typically, I only lose them when they impact something hard and break off! Great Point indeed.
I will have to try the duct tape idea.
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Here is a pic of one that I have been using for literally hundreds if not thousands of shots. Haven't broken this one off of the POC shaft that it is on, which says something about the toughness of cedar, too. As you can see, this judo has had a rough life, but continues to serve.
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Yes, one of the great inventions. The only thing I would like better would be to do away with the bulb shape on the tip. I know it's there to stick in trees and such so they are easier to find but I don't want them to stick in trees. I usually grind the bulb to a point.
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(tape) good idea. I lose a few each year due to my lack of restraint on picking targets.
ChuckC
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:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: awesome head
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They truly are incredible heads. And they are a great tool for learning to shoot in the field and woods.
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Too many to count.
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I lost the very first one I ever owned. I shot at a chipmunk and lost the arrow. I know I spent 10 hours over a couple years looking for it in the woods duff.
That was almost 30 years ago. It's probably a few inches deep by now but I still scan the area every time I go by there.
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Instead of tape, or use shrinkwrap for electrical wires to fuse the gap between the judo and the shaft. Even if you snap the shaft behind the judo it still holds together.
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The past post should state I use
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We all carry Judos with us on our morning shoot. We either find targets of opportunity, or else have put plastic bottles on broken arrow shafts, etc., at strategic locations. It is a nice variation to shooting targets, which we also do. We shoot targets from "unknown" distances, but we have shot the same targets so many hundreds of times that nothing is really unknown anymore. The Judos usually outlast the shafts, whether wood, aluminum, or carbon, but eventually they start to lose tines and get worn out too.
One thing you don't want to do is to flatten out the bulbs on the tips. They act as a shock absorber, of sorts, when the judo hits something solid, by penetrating a little bit rather than stopping the arrow all at once. One time I flattened out the bulb on one and after about two solid hits the carbon started to do the banana peel thing on the shaft.
I also carry an arrow with a plastic blunt, for times when I know the impact will be hard. Also for when we shoot Hail Mary shots at a target, because the blunt bounces off while the judo sticks. There have been too many times when my good friends have split the shaft of a judo hanging over the bulls eye. I know they don't mean to, but they sure seem to enjoy it when they do!
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Probably 75% of my shooting each year has a judo on the arrow. Thousands of shots each year and the judo's have saved an unimaginable number of arrows from being lost. How many of you guys and gals wish that they would make the judo's in heavier weights like 160, 175,and 200s. I know when I'm tuning arrows to a bow, I use 125 practice tips and broadheads just so that they will be the same weight head and fly well with my judos. With heavier judo's available I could be more flexible in broadhead weights to use. I think even more of us would shoot judo's if they were available in more of the weights because a lot of us enjoy shooting heavier practice tips and broadheads. Denny from Michigan
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I wish they made them in heavier points like in 250gr weight. So I could use them on my hunting arrows. I know I could use 100 gr insert but I already have them installed along with the 250gr head.
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There has been lots of impersonators but there is only one JUDO point! I have one that's probably 30 years old that keeps on keeping on! It's missing one spring arm but still is working!
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Are you guys using glue ons with inserts to match heavier broadheads?
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Great head. A product, on the very short list of products, that does everything it say's it will do.
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Not that it has become a problem yet, but is it possible to replace the springs on a judo? Been shooting judo tipped arrows for a while, and they are just great. But they are quite expensive, so they could be worth repairing once they finally break.
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Ooops! Double post.
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Originally posted by KYArcher:
Are you guys using glue ons with inserts to match heavier broadheads?
Yes....mine weigh the same as my bheads...175gr.
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Not many products that will get nothing but praise! And yes they have saved me many arrows How bout a big round of applause to Zwickey :clapper: Oh and to fully appreciate their durability try one of the copies, you'll only do it once.
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Trond, we were breaking the wires on the Kondor (larger size Judo) points occasionally and Zwickey said the wires could not be replaced.
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It would be a sad day stumping without a judo on a flu - flu.
I have judo's on many arrows.
On a few broken judos (and slightly bent shafts) I have replaced the missing judo wire with paperclips, which are better than nothing.
I know, sounds funny but when you stump shoot in a place nicknamed "rock hunting", you get the idea.
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On rear occasions I have had them snake under. I had one last week hide from me close to the house. Went back after dark and found it right away. How, by using a UV black light. If you use white or chartruse feathers and nock the tiniest bit will glow. I have used it to find arrows after shooting deer and couldn't find it during the day. Light cost $10.
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I also like to use hammer heads for the bunnies because they get through the brush better. That said I shoot or have shot a lot of judo's. Just a few that happen to go into a box that I have worn out.
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WOW!! That's a LOT of Judos!! Funny this thread is up at this time. Last night, I was out in the backyard, shooting my 3D Teddy Bears and Funky Stuffed Gorilla, using my Judo Arrows. I got bored, here it comes, so I found an empty catfood can in the yard. I set it on a Hunk of concrete and steadied it with a rock. I paced off 20 paces, which is about 28" per, I got short legs. It was getting dark enough I could barely see the white inside of the can.
I drew back and let fly......I SEE a Spark and HEARD the can go off the concrete!! I went trucking up and there was the can, a perfect round hole on the inside bottom edge!! There on the Hunk of 'crete lay the last 8 or 9 inches of my arrow. Fletching and nock intact, but I could NOT find the Front Half!! :scared:
I want the Judo head back!! I was out with a Flashlight, Lord knows where it went. the Whole Arrow Shaft was painted Bright Rustoleum Yellow, shouldn't be hard to find right? WRONG?? It was a Great Shot and I was excited to have actually HIT SEE the Can!! But losing the Judo kinda let the Air outta my Balloon real fast. Last night....it snowed. I hope I can find it, I have heated and reglued my Judos more than once. terrible to that bummed about losing a $6 Judo, especially after making what I consider an Awsome Shot!! LOL :thumbsup:
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I've repaired a lot of Judo's that have lost/broken spring arms.
Buy a pack of Scorpios. A little bending here and there with a pair of needle nose pliers and you are good to go... it's not that hard to figure out.
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I too do not remember losing a judo head. About 25 years ago I bought from a dealer a judo look-a-like head. Yes they were cheaper, never considered again, didn't hold up. I have said that stump shooting with my judo sometimes gets in the way of my hunting.