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Title: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: amicus on January 20, 2015, 05:41:00 PM
Just wanted to share some pics of a buck I shot this season. The buck came in kinda of late but I could still pick a spot. When I shot I really thought I had missed and was really upset with my self. It had sounded to me like I hit the rock that was behind the deer and I thought I caught a glimpse of my arrow going under the buck. So I sat there in disgust wonder what the heck is wrong with me. So after a few minutes I went looking for my arrow. Since I thought I had missed I followed the direction that I thought the arrow went not the direction that deer ran. Since I couldn't find my arrow I started looking in other directions and found my buck 40 yards from where I shot him.

I was really amazed at the performance of my set up. I know I get great penetration but I have never seen this before. My arrow/broadhead completely shattered the upper shoulder bone, split a rib going in and was lodged just under the skin on the opposite side. My arrow set up is a full length beman 340 with a 100 grain brass insert, 200 grain Grizzly s/b, 125 grain adapter. 425 grains total up front. Im shooting a Bob Lee 60 @28. I hope you enjoy the pics.

Gilbert   URL=http://s215.photobucket.com/user/amicuspaint/media/brokenshoulderentrance_zps54cf360f.jpg.html] (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc214/amicuspaint/brokenshoulderentrance_zps54cf360f.jpg)[/URL]
 (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc214/amicuspaint/brokenshoulderpenetration_zps3d02ac96.jpg) (http://s215.photobucket.com/user/amicuspaint/media/brokenshoulderpenetration_zps3d02ac96.jpg.html)
 (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc214/amicuspaint/brokenshoulder_zps3c8ae68c.jpg) (http://s215.photobucket.com/user/amicuspaint/media/brokenshoulder_zps3c8ae68c.jpg.html)
opposite side

 (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc214/amicuspaint/brokenshoulderreverseside_zpsc75b2a04.jpg) (http://s215.photobucket.com/user/amicuspaint/media/brokenshoulderreverseside_zpsc75b2a04.jpg.html)

 (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc214/amicuspaint/brokenshoulderbroadhead_zpsc5b19a2f.jpg) (http://s215.photobucket.com/user/amicuspaint/media/brokenshoulderbroadhead_zpsc5b19a2f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Joeabowhunter on January 20, 2015, 06:25:00 PM
Wow, that's some impressive damage!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Yohon on January 20, 2015, 06:30:00 PM
WOW is right that bone pix is something!!!!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: njloco on January 20, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
Good shooting, never doubt yourself, glad you got him.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Stump73 on January 20, 2015, 10:22:00 PM
Congratulations! Just think if you had a  nocturnal nock on you would have worried. Just follow the glow.  Great shot and that arrow did alotcof damage.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: zipper bowss on January 21, 2015, 09:10:00 AM
Very impressive! Do you still have access to that upper leg bone and its pieces. I'll trade you a new pack of 200 grain Kodiak's for it if you do.
It looks like the only damage to the head is where we back grind the tanto tip to sharpen it. You should be able to retatnto that head and put her back to use.   :thumbsup:  
Bill
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: amicus on January 21, 2015, 09:14:00 AM
Thanks guys, for the kind words.

Shed hunter, your right. I have a quiver full of arrows with  lighted nocks, now.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Jayrod on January 21, 2015, 09:18:00 AM
That's awesome right there gotta love it
!GREATJOB PICS and congrats on the deer!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: amicus on January 21, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
Bill, no I don't have the leg bone anymore. It was about 2 weeks ago when I shot him. I thought about calling you to see if wanted some pics but just never got around to it. I thought it was an impressive testimony to the effectiveness and durability of your Kodiak single bevel broadhead combined with EFOC.

I have been using the 200 grain grizzly and now  Kodiaks for years and love them. I'm always amazed at the damaged that it produces. I do not worry about hitting bone with my set up. I can send more pics to you if your interested. I'm down to my last Kodiak so I will be placing an order soon.

Gilbert
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: on January 21, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
I would expect that with 60# draw weight and a high FOC heavy arrow!

Congrats on your buck!

Bisch
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: DanielB89 on January 21, 2015, 11:01:00 AM
I don't know that I've seen a leg bone shattered like that before! That is impressive!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Michael Arnette on January 21, 2015, 11:12:00 AM
Holy Cow!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: newhouse114 on January 21, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
I shoot almost an identical setup, just not quite so much up front, only 350 grains. That said, I cut a half inch deep groove in a mule deer's shoulder blade and knocked out a two inch piece of rib on entry, and still got a complete pass through on the buck (see avatar). I did get a slight curl on the broadhead tip but that didn't seem to effect penetration. any. A nice bull Roosevelt elk fell to this same setup a week before the buck.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: DanielB89 on January 21, 2015, 12:28:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by newhouse114:
I shoot almost an identical setup, just not quite so much up front, only 350 grains. That said, I cut a half inch deep groove in a mule deer's shoulder blade and knocked out a two inch piece of rib on entry, and still got a complete pass through on the buck (see avatar). I did get a slight curl on the broadhead tip but that didn't seem to effect penetration. any. A nice bull Roosevelt elk fell to this same setup a week before the buck.
sounds like I need to come hunting with you!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Jwilliam on January 21, 2015, 12:40:00 PM
:eek:  WOW !!! Very impressive. Not surprised with the condition of the Grizzly either. Those things are built bomb proof.   :thumbsup:    :notworthy:  


Bill
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: V I Archer on January 21, 2015, 01:07:00 PM
what is the total weight of the arrow set-up.  Never shot carbons before, still a fir/lodgepole guy.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: amicus on January 21, 2015, 01:21:00 PM
VI, total arrow weight is around 725 grains. Not sure what my FOC% is.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: newhouse114 on January 21, 2015, 01:25:00 PM
Mine run about 750
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Sapcut on January 21, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
Way to go on a good shot.  

Lots better than being skeered of bones and get a gut shot.... when you've got the weapon to blow and go.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: KentuckyTJ on January 21, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Gilbert, you will lose 15 grains (which is nothing really) if you go to the 185 Grizzly. The metal is thicker on them and I would bet that little bit of roll over wouldn't have happened to it. I shot one into a concrete block and it came out fine.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2m67b5s.jpg)
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Blaino on January 21, 2015, 02:52:00 PM
I was looking at the 185's the other day and noticed that they are the same thickness as the 235's but are a little bit shorter. Would the shorter length make them stronger that the 235's?

Gilbert, congrats on your buck!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: amicus on January 21, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
TJ,

Thanks for the info. I was thinking about trying to go a little heavier 20 grains or so. Now that the season is over I will play with different weights and see what happens.

The pictured broadhead is still in good shape. The tip is a little bent but I think I can fix it and get it ready for some pig hunting.

Glad you guys are enjoying the pics.

Gilbert
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: awbowman on January 21, 2015, 04:29:00 PM
Not to take anything away from the Grizzly, but I think EFOC has more to do with it than the broadhead.  I've seen old 4 bladed Bear Razorheads (backed with 100 grain steel adapters) inflict damage so severe that you would have thought the deer was shot with a rifle.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: joe ashton on January 22, 2015, 01:19:00 AM
Holy cow.. That is serious damage..  hmmm
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: sheepdogreno on January 22, 2015, 05:28:00 AM
ummmmm wow! that's impressive!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Sharpster on January 22, 2015, 10:46:00 AM
Gilbert!!! That's pretty incredible buddy! Very nicely done man.  :thumbsup:

Looks like the damage you'd expect to see large caliber rifle produce. Sweet! Glad to see you're still a killin' machine. You and TJ should hunt together sometime. ...on second thought, no. ...that's a bad idea.   :nono:   There wouldn't be any deer left for the rest of us!

Ron
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: amicus on January 22, 2015, 11:01:00 AM
Sharpster,

Because of your help, that's also a very sharp broadhead.

Gilbert
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: zipper bowss on January 22, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by amicus:
Bill, no I don't have the leg bone anymore. It was about 2 weeks ago when I shot him. I thought about calling you to see if wanted some pics but just never got around to it. I thought it was an impressive testimony to the effectiveness and durability of your Kodiak single bevel broadhead combined with EFOC.

I have been using the 200 grain grizzly and now  Kodiaks for years and love them. I'm always amazed at the damaged that it produces. I do not worry about hitting bone with my set up. I can send more pics to you if your interested. I'm down to my last Kodiak so I will be placing an order soon.

Gilbert
NO worries, Gilbert! I stole your pictures from your post. If you do happen to hit big bones like that again. Give me a holler. I have been collecting them.I plan to put them on a display board to take to shows. They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Imagine how many words a busted leg bone like that one could save me.   :D
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: Steve Jr on January 22, 2015, 05:13:00 PM
Very impressive!
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: eidsvolling on January 22, 2015, 05:55:00 PM
A person could almost leave the backup gunner in camp while hunting on Kodiak Island.   ;)  

Great thread. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Single bevel and EFOC damage
Post by: katman on January 22, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
Holy cow, that poor deer did not have a chance.
Great job and thanks for sharing.