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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Gene Wensel on October 03, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
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We are finishing up something that has never been done before. Frankly, we're very excited about it. One of the complaints we got from viewers of Primal Dreams was that it was too long for use in schools, hunter education programs, etc. We are about to release a condensed version, edited especially for schools, hunter education programs and non-hunting family/friends. It will end up around 45 minutes in length, using selected footage and music from the original but with more (added) narration on "why we hunt" to portray philosophy and ethics to those who need to hear our message the most. The retail cost will be considerably less than the long version and bulk rates to organizations are very possible. Does anyone have any ideas how to distribute these in mass to schools, hunter ed groups, etc. across the country? Think of the boost hunters would get if this condensed edition got into thousands of schools across the nation. Thanks.
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The Archery in Education Program might be a great way to get it in. You could talk to these people and have it become part of the whole package that schools recieve.
I have only read a little about the program (I feel terrible being in Education) so I can't give you more information about it.
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GREAT STUFF GENE, HOPE YOU CAN GET THESE OUT TO SCHOOLS!
CHEERS ANDY
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Listing your video with Bowkers would be a good start. Both libraries and educational institutions, as well as many others, use this listing service to purchase books and videos.
http://www.bowkerlink.com/corrections/common/learnmore.asp
Good luck with that. I'd sure like to see Primal Dreams in the hands of non-hunters as well as hunters. Especially the young folks.
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get help from members here to let the schools near them know about it. My nephew does archery in his school...I can pass on any info you have to the schools if you want me to...
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I hate to be the one that suggests it but Matthews is one of the leaders in getting archery into the schools. You may want to contact them. Maybe they could send a copy of that dvd with every ten bows or something that someone orders. Make it a prereq for starting the program on the ethics and real reason for archery in the field. I know I know they make and sell compounds but this might a great chance here to use the power of mass media to get into the schools.
Im sorry for posting about compounds but they came to mind first.
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As others have mentioned, I think the NASP would be a great source to get the videos into the schools.
Mark
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I am a hunter ed instructor in Indiana. Depends on cost but I think we could incorperate it into our class's. Our state has a lead cordinator and I will get the information and forward it you Gene.
If you are going to be at the ATA show in Indy this year you might try a set up there.
Also another one to consider it go to the International Hunters Education Association's 2008 Annual Conference on May 28 - 31, Fairview Heights, IL
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Gene- would definitely like to get some of those for our NBEF Classes. There are more and more "new to the sport with no mentors" coming to the classes...would be a great addition.
Think it would have to be approved by the NBEF national office before its used...but would be a welcome addition to my way of thinking.
There was a book I bought many copies of from 3 Rivers and gave it to my relatives children. Had a painting of a little deer on the cover - cannot remember the name off hand...but it was a great intro to hunting for little kids..and I remember that book found its way into school libraries all over the country...I will try to find the name of it for you..maybe we can get the publisher of that book to keep us from reinventing the wheel on how to be successful at getting into schools?
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http://archeryintheschools.org/activea.asp
This would be a good start.
Here's the contact for the Michigan folks.
Mary Emmons, NASP Coordinator at 517-241-9477 or by email at [email protected] .
The Chief of Staff for the Michigan DNR is Dennis Fedewa is number is: Chief of Staff 517-373-2329
I know the kids love to see the animals in the video my 11 month old points and gets all excited during the turkey and the elk portions of Primal Dreams.
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Gene,
Contact SCI and ask them if they would give you contact info for a fellow called Bob Easterbrook from Detoit. Bob has a Foundation that has been paying for and providing hunting and conservation programs to high schools all across the US. It has been a huge sucess and he may beable to use your program or have some good input from him. If you have any trouble finding Bob, get a hold of me and I'll get you in touch with him somehow.
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Gene,
I sent you a PM with the above details included.
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My first thought was something like "Heck, I'd buy a couple for the local elementary, middle and high school in my neighborhood and donate them if I knew they get shown."
That was closely followed by "They'll never get played with the liberal 'anti hunting agenda' so common in public education."
Still, it's a thought. Sort of a grass roots effort. If everybody bought just one and donated it to the local school they would get around awfully quick.
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These sort of ideas are helping us get direction. Keep them coming. Schools are just one avenue. We would also like to see them get to scout troops, libraries, etc. This newest final product with added messages will move many people and expose them to the wide array of emotions hunters experience. Our goal is to reach a wider and younger audience with a more targeted message using the film's best images. Thanks.
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You might want to check with the discovery channel. I know they do series that are made to be played in school and even have lesson plans with them. Maybe they might be able to do one incorporating your video. I can't wait to see it and show it to my girlfriend. As much as I love the original, she can't sit still long enough for it. But then again maybe it's because I watch it a couple times a month. :)
Also are there still plans in the works for a second primal dreams or was this it? Thanks
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Gene you might send a demo copy to each of the different game departments in all 50 states. if they like them they might be able to market them to the instructors, especially if you are offering them at a reduced rate.
if you can get a single copy out to some of these organizations they will most likely want more to spread the word and get the message out.
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ibep would be the place to go Gene!
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I'm sure each state's bowhunting organization would be interested in helping. I'm a life member of MS Bowhunter Association and would love to do whatever you need to help. The video sounds like a great idea, by the way.
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Many States have Hunter Ed classes. Contacting the State Game Comissions could be a help also. As well as the States Bow Hunters Groups who also have Bow Hunter Ed classes.
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I'd second the state orgs, Gene. I know the MT Bowhunters Assoc. is always looking for do-good/feel-good projects and they already send newsletters out to most of the targets you are trying to reach.....just get the idea to Peter I., and he can take it to the board.
You might also contact P & Y club, and they could steer it the right direction.
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Thank you all for your suggestions. I talked to Roy Grimes from NASP back in 2005 and he said they can’t make an official stand on promotion of hunting with the program. I think, however, that the kids who are in the program could be exposed to a pro-hunting message at private meetings and social events. I know many are very curious.
TJ Yes we are still working on the sequel to Primal Dreams, but knowing it won’t be ready for quite some time. We did not want to let this opportunity to reach more non-hunters slip by us. We are all very busy with work and family as well it is hunting season, but my brothers and the Wensels are committed to spending the time and arrange a more tailored video. Lets face it, we hunt because we enjoy it and we get a “lift” by doing so. The focus is not reasoned explanations or defense for hunting, but depiction of hunters approaching the sport as a way of life and pursuing animals with respect, reverence and awe. Apologetic explanations are not going to win the argument. We feel we did a great job with this in the full length Primal Dreams, however the new condensed version, which will not come out for a few months yet, will compress the best of the best into a message based production that may prove more rewarding to non hunters who are not expected to have the luxury of time.
Mike
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I would think that if you pitched the video to most local PBS stations, not THE PBS, the other one (Public Broadcasting Station) they would love to have it. I guess it's possible to run into an anti-hunting station manager or director of programming or whatever their respective title may be, but these folks are always in need of quality programming. If they did accept your contribution, I know they would run it again and again, thereby increasing the exposure we need. Unfortunately I wouldn't know how to go about getting your foot in the door. Anyone else?
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Look into getting support from orignazations like QDMA, and the NWTF. They both have Youth programs.
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Gene, let me know when they are released. I turned down the Archery in Schools Coaching position at Cardinal (Eldon) due to too much going on but I have a Son in it and I assist when possible. I am sure they would want to see. Also I do teach Youth Archery at the local Izaak Walton League of America and sure could show them there. Thanks for everything you guys do.
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Gene,
Don't froget 4H shooting sports programs. I am an archery instructor and we also have hunting as one of our projects too.
Not sure on the details to get it to 4H wide. But I'll check with our director.
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A Sequal? P.D.Part 2 ??? When and Where can I get my Mitts on it?? :readit: :archer:
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might want to send some to anti hunting organizations also...just watching that video might change the way a lot of there people view hunting...it is one helluva piece of work Gene..best I have ever seen on why we hunt...gut
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Shakes.602
We don’t anticipate finishing the sequel of Primal Dreams (yet to be named) until at least a year and half. We all strive for quality and interesting footage, but can’t predict when it will be captured. Since the Wensels are in Iowa and me and my brothers are in Illinois it is tough to get together some times. We did have a great editing session last week, but the main focus was getting the condensed family/ classroom edition of PD together first. BUT we could not resist going through a dozen or so tapes of recent footage. There is some awesome stuff!! So I guess the best thing to do is stay tuned to the brothersofthebow.com web site for updates. We are currently reworking the site with new info, tributes, and artwork as well.
Mike
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Gene,
You may want to try contacting the National Trapper's Assoc. They put out an educational video a few years ago explaining the benefits of trapping to the uneducated and youth. If I remember correctly they tried getting them into the schools also. I don't know what came of it, but it may be worth giving them a call for some guidance and/or advise. Hope this helps.
Todd
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Gene,
The BSA idea is a great one. I would suggest gaining the approval of the district councils and then have the material pushed out to the individual groups versus a bottom up approach. Having read some of Brunner's stories about you I may need to clarify that " Bottom up " comment.
Although gun hunting is seldom mentioned here, the NRA and the NSSF may be valuable allies in your efforts.
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Originally posted by Herdbull:
...Lets face it, we hunt because we enjoy it and we get a “lift” by doing so. The focus is not reasoned explanations or defense for hunting, but depiction of hunters approaching the sport as a way of life and pursuing animals with respect, reverence and awe. Apologetic explanations are not going to win the argument...
Very well said! I will keep tuned to the website. I look forward to the changes. I'm sure anything you put out next will be top quality and well worth the wait.
Thanks Mike for the update
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I teach elementary physical education. I am an instructor for the National Archery in Schools Program. It would be great to show this video to my archery students.
Funding in schools is always a problem. I have about 300.00 a year to spend on supplies and I spend it in May for the for the following year. When stuff like this come up their isn't money for it unless I purchase it myself. (which isn't the end of the world)
I would suggest contacting hunting organizations like the NWTF to see if they would purchase the videos and donate them to schools. The schools could even check them out for a week.
Hope this helps. Chad
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Gene, one way would be to contact each hunter safety coordinator for each states wildlife agency. I know the coordinator for Louisiana handles both the bowhunter education and the archery in schools program.
There should also be a state coordinator with the scouts. I will check that one out and may give some additional information tomorrow.
Our state traditional organization - Louisiana Traditional Bowmen - holds our shoots on scout property and assist with the archery program at that camp. We may be able to get some out . . .
Michael
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Good going guys....all around.
Let me know if Trad Gang can assist.
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Ray......."Stormy?"
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That's the one, Joey. Stormy. I bet Dale Karch could tell Gene who published..and they could keep us from reinventing the wheel on how to get them in every school library as successfully as they did.
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Not to side-track this thread but I wanted you guys to know how excited I am about the footage we're getting for the Primal Dreams sequal. Gene and I went over to the Mitten's last weekend to review some of our accumulated footage and work on the condensed version of PD. It blew me away. We've already recorded on tape an albino; a melanistic (black) whitetail; and a huge non-typical breeding a doe. Then, the evening before last I had a really neat buck come by. I also got him on video for everyone to enjoy. In fact, he fills the whole TV screen for a full five minutes. His right antler is a big five points with the base as big around as a can of corn. But the neat part is he has TWO left antlers. Both pretty much grow straight up. The inside one is fairly normal but the outside one sprouts from a separate pedicle that comes out from the side of his head between his left eye and the other left antler. It goes straight up about fifteen inches, palmates and forks at the top. What a neat buck, reeking of character. He's also an older, mature stud that I bet will go 250 lbs. I'm torn about filling my Iowa tag this early in the season and not being able to pursue the big one I hunted for all last season. Tomorrow is our birthday. If he comes by again I might lose control and treat myself to a really cool present. The way I look at it, whatever happens was/is meant to be. I wanted everyone to know what cool, rare footage we've been getting. Sharing this stuff with everyone is half the fun. bw
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Can`t wait for the sequal. I have watched the original countless times, and enjoy it each and every time. I especially love the close range footage of the whitetails.
Gonna go watch it right now cause its too foggy to hunt. Can`t even see my feet.
Getting a condensed version of this to schools is an absolutely fantastic idea. Way to go guys.
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Someone used the word "allies". I think that's exactly what we should be building; an Alliance.
SCI,NRA,NWTF,PBS,TG..etc.
When we individually bang on a door, we are a nuisance. If, WE ALL bang on a door,"they" would surely need to listen.
Just my 2 cents on using the in roads of other youth programs.