I'm on a roll with making back quivers thanks to Bud B.'s tutorial, Soap Creek's thread on his quiver making addiction, and additional encouragement from Dorado. Thanks, guys!
I've made two different configurations:
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The one on the left was my first project, and I based it on the quiver I bought from HHA a year ago and is 22" deep, and the one on the right was done using Bud B.'s "recipe", and is 21" deep.
The HHA version is quite a bit larger in all the dimensions:
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(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/BottomView_zps0ba6fafa.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/BottomView_zps0ba6fafa.jpg.html)
I'm thinking that the larger bottom of the HHA quiver allows the arrow points to move further to the back edge of the bottom when the quiver is broken in and forms to your back, allowing the nocks to tip forward, putting them closer to your shoulder for easier removal.
I am use to having my arrows off to the side a bit more like Howard Hll and John Schulz, so my clone is more appealing to me at this time. I haven't tried the new one yet, so I may change my mind on the subject.
I don't have any reason to make any more right now, but Christmas is only 11 months away......
Nice, they look great. You can cut a piece of foam, styrofoam or small green fir tips, for the bottom, to keep the broadheads from moving around.
Man! That one on the left is huge! Definitely more room in that one :)
Nice job on both :thumbsup:
Thanks, guys.
That's what I thought about John Schulz's quiver in Hitting 'em Like Howard Hill. All by itself, it doesn't look so big.
Great work Charles! Keep at it as between you and Bud y'all are giving me the bug too, but I think I'll watch you experiment for awhile as your observations about the size/shape/benefits of the larger bottom are interesting. I did notice you fixed your vertical seam overlap on the new one so debris/water could pass over. :thumbsup:
I think pictures of one's attachments of the strap are important as well. It's an individual thing as to how the quiver hangs, and everyone's ideas bring different potential benefits of use.
They look great..
Awesome stuff Chuck! Hope you left me some leather LOL!
I remember reading years back on Johns site his specs for the proper fit of a back quiver (length). I'll have to crank up the old model T computer and see if I saved that info. I may still have it.
That's some very worthwhile research Dan. Look forward to it!
Akdan: They had a lot of the heavier leather 6-7-8 oz., but only a limited amount of the lighter stuff. All of the lighter shoulders were too small. I didn't look at any sides.
I too am interested in your research.
Green: An alternative reason for the larger bottom on the HHA quiver was to make room for refreshments. Just kidding! Maybe I'll do some testing on the arrow angle theory....
Those big quivers work good for those with long broad backs, that is not me. The smaller one is more my size. Either way is all about the strap for me. I only have one quiver that I did not change the strap holes. I used to build kid quivers with cheap leather, never anything as nice as these.
As a knifemaker who makes his own sheaths, I'm finding the leather work as satisfying as the metal work (and a lot cleaner).
Just the process of making quivers is more than half the fun.
pavan, I'd be interested in seeing the strap attachment on your quivers - what you changed it from and what you changed it to.
Here's a quick pic of the two quivers with an arrow with the point all the way to the back:
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Does make a bit of a difference.
This blog lists another reason for the larger bottom: http://traditionalknowhow.blogspot.com/2014/03/hunting-with-back-quiver.html
Hope this is o.k., but I took this pic of John Schulz from Hitting 'em Like Howard Hill to show the size and position of his quiver:
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/Schulz_zps13a0c37f.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/Schulz_zps13a0c37f.jpg.html)
I just noticed the extra lacing around the bottom of the foldover, which is what I have on the quiver I bought from HHA.
Chuck I'm glad you're having fun building these. As easy and fun as these are to both make and use, there's really no excuse not to.
I'm thinking of adding a pouch or pocket to the front of mine so that I can keep spare strings, broadheads, and other small items close by. I'm just trying to figure out how.
I heard someone mention how good these are for squirrel hunting, as he could just toss the squirrels in the quiver with the arrows. Kinda goes to show how versatile they can be.
Mr. Peek, it is nothing special. As an example, I have one Miller left hand quiver, it is really nice, but I had trouble reaching arrows when it settled, I could not elbow bump into position either. Nothing changed much with either a tight strap, I hate tight straps, or a loose strap. So I repunched the holes to make the quiver more vertical with a looser strap, both bottom and top holes. A half inch on the bottom and 3/4" over on the top and walla right where it should be with a loose enough strap that it can be slung around easily when ducking through brush.
My first quiver had the more rounded bottom also. Later when I realized my backquiver would be more for "shooting" and not hunting I made them like your more oval bottom quiver.
One item I picked up from Don Brown years ago, keep laces to the side so broadheads do not get caught on the lacing while drawing the broadhead arrow.
Dorado, adding a pouch is easy as long as you sew it on before closing the quiver into a roll.
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Wow! That's nice!
My HHA quiver has a small pouch just hung onto the back of the quiver. I probably could make a bigger one, but I imagine it would be kind of floppy unless I anchored it on the bottom.
Bladepeek's pocket is much more elegant.
In looking for some info on what John Schulz thought were the requirements were for a good back quiver, I found out that the dimensions given in in Dave Miller's "Shooting the American Semi-Long" (don't know what happened to the "bow") book pretty much match how my HHA quiver was built. The main differences are that the bottom is a little bit shorter, and bit bit wider.
Oh, I did notice that the vertical lap is correct on Dave's quiver. I don't know why mine came the wrong way from HHA, encouraging me to do the same on my first! Oh, well, if I can get motivated, I'll disassemble it and make it right.
To tell you the truth, I forgot that I had Dave's book. I need to run through it again to see what else I have forgotten!
QuoteOriginally posted by Bladepeek:
Dorado, adding a pouch is easy as long as you sew it on before closing the quiver into a roll.
Yeah but I was following Bud B's plans exactly. I didn't think about adding a pouch at the time. It wasn't until a couple of weeks later that I realized I missed the pouch on my hip quiver. The main seam is right down the middle. I may see about making a separate pocket and adding it on. I need some thinner leather though. Everything I have is too heavy. I may give it a try anyways and see what happens. That's a beautiful quiver you have there Bladepeek. I'll try copying the pouch design you have with a couple of changes and my heavy leather.
What are the dimensions of that pouch?
Chuck, it wouldn't be to difficult to fix the main seam on your first one. Just unlace it flip the seam and then re-lace it. You might have to blend the color some and reseal it but at least the seam would be correct.
That is classy Dorado!!!
Chuck, I went through my spare hard drive and so far nothing. I may have printed it off, or left it on the old computer, I'll try and hook it up tonight and check. Had to redo the washing machine today, if I don't answer please send a rubber ducky!
Like many of y'all, I wrestled with how to tote gear and hunt with a back quiver. Some of the time I'm wearing a PacSeat with a BQ hung over that. I came across this at a local sporting goods store. It can hang through your belt on the off side, or be added through the webbing of the Pacseat. I like this much better than trying to add weight that far behind me.....unbalances the quiver for me.
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Dorado, I could measure mine, but what I did was just make a paper pattern about the width and length I wanted, then added some more width on each side and bottom for the seam. I sewed the bottom seam first with the pocket hanging down. Then folded the pocket back up and sewed the sides down with the flaps showing. I can take some close-ups if you'd like, but as for the dimensions, that will vary with the size of the quiver.
Ron
I know this thread pretty much has run it's course, but I decided to spare the system and not open another topic.
These are the three quivers that I have one had right now:
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/ThreeQuivers_zps61080d4b.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/ThreeQuivers_zps61080d4b.jpg.html)
On the far right is the one I bought from HHA, my latest creation is in the middle and the one on the left is first one I made. I just wanted to show the differences in color between the three.
I'm assuming that the HHA quiver was made from oil tanned leather since it is the same deep color inside and out.
My first quiver was treated with two applications of Obenauf's Heavy Duty LP, which I just happend to have on hand. This treatment is similar in consistancy to with SnoSeal. It went on nicely, but didn't darken the leather very much, so I picked up some Obenauf's Leather Oil. This gave it a bit more color with just one application. I decided to leave this one as is for now.
On my latest quiver, I just used the leather oil. Man, but that oil soaks in fast! I swabbed some on one side, and before I could get back to work it around with my hand, it was mostly soaked in. This left it a bit splotchy. I went around it a couple of times, adding oil in the lighter areas and working it in by hand. I let it sit for a couple of hours, and then went at it again. It still has some light spots, but it still looks pretty good. One more treatment, and it should be a nice even brown color. I like the lighter color of the fold-down with a single application of oil. Might leave it like that for now.
I'm going to Anchorage this afternoon, so I plan on swinging by Tandy's to get a 1/8" lacing needle, and to look as some oil tanned leather. Might keep just keep going at this open ended winter project!
Chuck.....uh no, this thread hasn't run its' course! :D
Is the one you got from Craig one of the lighter weight ones? Also, would you mind a picture of all three from the strap side?
I'm with pavan on strap placement. The first thing I did when I got my last back quiver was move the strap two inches to the right. It lined the quiver up a little closer to my neck and made it easier for my short arms to get a smooth arrow removal. Everybody is built a little different and getting your BQ tuned to the proper fit is a big plus.
Here you go, Rob:
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Craig's quiver is the one with the lighter weight leather. Very flexible, and the physical weight difference with my clone is quite obvious.
I must have fairly long arms, 'cause having the straps where I have them works pretty good for me. Might also have to do with the larger size of Craig's quiver and my clone, both of which are 22". This might make it easier to bump it around. The new one is 21", and of course, not broken in, but it is not as easy to get to the arrows.
I'm telling ya. Making them is as much fun as using them - well almost.
Chuck..
Get two of the 1/8 lacing needles....
Dang, I need to get another Perma Loc Needle.
I dropped into Tandy's to pick up a couple of things, and look at few others. I had intended to get two, but I was under the gun to get someplace else, and only grabbed one.
(http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii185/finnish-archer/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/PermaLok_zps63184fc8.jpg) (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/finnish-archer/media/ArcheryPhotos/First%20Back%20Quiver/PermaLok_zps63184fc8.jpg.html)
Is the Perma Loc what you use, Mike? Looks like it should work great, really speeding up the lacing process, particularly at the foldover.
Great looking quivers... :thumbsup: :notworthy:
Thanks for the picture Chuck. That's pretty close to where my strap attachments are located now. I made quite a few changes to them after Bud B. built a really nice one for me, and through the "tuning" process I've made the back of this one look like Swiss cheese. :knothead:
Between you and Bud, y'all have got me planning one in the near future. :D
Since there is a probability of someone getting one of my quivers wanting to move the strap around to find that perfect position, do you guys think that I should punch in some additional holes from the get-go?
Thanks, Joe!
Nope. I'd leave it as is and let them worry about it, unless you're making it for them. In which, I would hope they'd have some input on where they'd like the strap to be.