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Title: Is It True?.........
Post by: mcgroundstalker on December 24, 2014, 02:01:00 PM
Is it true that carbon arrows are king of the block? I tried a couple different types and went back to woodies and 2016's over and over again...  

I mean when one of my aluminum arrows get bent, I can't get it straight again... So I just look at the three dozen in my "bent" tube and pretend they are flowers!  :rolleyes:

POC on the other hand just look cool! Smell great when you break them and don't have the torture effect of a bent arrow that needs to be carried all day and looked at from time to time laughing at you! ...  :banghead:  ... Then, just making up woodies is so much fun... Can't have enough ammo...

What's my point, you say? ...Don't have one!... Guess it's all good...  :archer2:  ...
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Post by: ChuckC on December 24, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
well, a million years ago, carbons were probably wood.

CHuckc
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Post by: damascusdave on December 24, 2014, 02:15:00 PM
I shoot carbon, carbon wrapped in aluminum, aluminum and wood...thank goodness for choice

DDave
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Post by: Jay Bow on December 24, 2014, 02:48:00 PM
I've never owned a carbon so wouldn't know.

Jay
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Post by: Tim on December 24, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
Hey Michael......Merry Christmas!

I only shot cedars for about a year back in the late 80's.  I still remember making up a beautiful dozen shafts and broke the first one on a frozen excelsior bale!   I was heart broken.  

Onto 2018's for the next 20 years.  They were tough and accurate.  

Than a buddy, who has been at this a lot longer than me try carbons.  He raved about the penetration.  He was shooting those beeman shafts with the outserts.   I figured I'd try them out for a season.  I have to say the penetration on deer was excellent.  To the point I haven't looked back.  I consistently have pass thru penetration, and in hunting "backyard" deer that's a nice occurrence to have.   Durability is right there with my 2018's.       :thumbsup:
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Post by: reddogge on December 24, 2014, 05:13:00 PM
How long are your 2016s? I'll pay shipping to save you from looking at those abominations if there are enough of them and they don't have kinks.
Title: Re: Is It True?.........
Post by: mcgroundstalker on December 24, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
My "flower pot" full of 2016's are 27"-27 1/2" long each... Best to be cut down for kids or elf size adults like me...   :rolleyes:   Send me a PM and we'll work it out, if interested...

... mike ...

PS... Merry Christmas Tim!   :D   I still dig 2016's! Just gotta hit the target for 'em not to bend.  :dunno:
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Post by: Skipmaster1 on December 24, 2014, 05:36:00 PM
I love my carbons! I've made it through the Muzzy with no broken arrows. TWICE!


Merry Christmas Mike!
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Post by: njloco on December 24, 2014, 05:44:00 PM
No body makes it through Muzzy unscathed in one way or the other, you'd better go see your shrink !
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on December 24, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
Mike, You are messed up!!!

You forgot to tell everyone that you put your targets in places most likely to eat arrows.  It's not all the arrows fault!

Merry Christmas Brother!
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Post by: mcgroundstalker on December 24, 2014, 07:59:00 PM
The "Top Gun" stake and me just don't get along...   :dunno:
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Post by: JamesV on December 24, 2014, 08:05:00 PM
If you want superior uniformity and durability in the same shaft, carbon if the only way to go.
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Post by: ron w on December 24, 2014, 08:14:00 PM
Woodies have soul..........and soul is good!!
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Post by: Krex1010 on December 24, 2014, 08:17:00 PM
I'm cheap so I like carbon arrows, bought a dozen and a half probably 16 or 17 years ago for my compound.......yeah I still have about 10 of those shafts and I still shoot them.
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Post by: BOWMARKS on December 24, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
I picked up some 1918's probably 10 to 12 years ago found that they seemed to fit my needs in spine and they have never disagreed. Tried the woods and found I can not get those buggers straight.

Those 1918's are tough to bend but when they do I am able to bring them back to life. Only problem is very hard to come by now days so I have been collecting for quite awhile.
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Post by: on December 24, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
I have not read all the other replys, but you can straighten a good number of your bent aluminums if you have the right tool.

Anybody that shoots aluminum shafts should invest in an Arizona Archery Arrow Straightener. It is worth it's weight in gold and you can straighten just about any bent shaft that is not kinked. The straightener is a bit pricey. But it will pay for itself fast if you do any amount of shooting with aluminum arrows!

Mery Christmas,

Bisch
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Post by: BOWMARKS on December 25, 2014, 12:25:00 AM
Another helpful tool in straightening aluminumn shafts is a 6" long piece of stainless rod machine'd down to your diameter shafts and threaded on one end to match a screw in point.

I made mine two different sizes on each end one for 5/16 and the other end for 9/32 shafts and thread as a tip insert fits two sizes and works wonders.

With this item and a good straightening tool you can get your shafts straight right down to the insert.

Screw this onto bent shaft and you have a very stiff extention to the shaft,
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Post by: Skipmaster1 on December 25, 2014, 04:13:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by njloco:
No body makes it through Muzzy unscathed in one way or the other, you'd better go see your shrink !
Hahaha. I never said I made it through with out being broken.... Just my arrows !
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Post by: Stone Knife on December 25, 2014, 07:15:00 AM
I'm making up 2 dozen woodies now for my new Hill   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Stone Knife on December 25, 2014, 07:39:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by mcgroundstalker:
My "flower pot" full of 2016's are 27"-27 1/2" long each... Best to be cut down for kids or elf size adults like me...    :rolleyes:    Send me a PM and we'll work it out, if interested...

... mike ...

PS... Merry Christmas Tim!    :D    I still dig 2016's! Just gotta hit the target for 'em not to bend.   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: bamboo on December 25, 2014, 09:40:00 PM
"You could lob another 6" off those and Wood Only could shoot them "

 maybe  8"!!!LOL
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Post by: Stumpkiller on December 25, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
QuoteIs it true that carbon arrows are king of the block?
Yes.

And sights will make you more accurate.

Cams will store energy better.

Wire cables are stronger.

The question is where do you step off the Easier bus?
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Post by: stumpinkaiser on December 25, 2014, 10:20:00 PM
Carbon arrows have no soul, compound shooters that shoot vertical crossbows/rocket launchers that are afraid of a challenge use carbons. I dont want to have anything to do with them. Woods are made with care and attention just like all those bows we shoot.
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Post by: 7 Lakes on December 30, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
After trailing a wounded doe through the rain in a Eastern NC swamp I couldn't get a fire started.  When I was down to one match I sliced a POC into dry shavings and broke up 3 more for kindling.  I was able to get the fire lit and keep the wood dry enough to cook half a backstrap.  It was a long night but it would have been much longer without that fire and food.  Try doing that with Al or Carbon.
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Post by: Orion on December 30, 2014, 10:47:00 AM
There was a poll here a few months ago. If memory serves, more folks shot carbon more than any other material.  Wood was second, aluminum third.  I've shot wood for more than 50 years and will continue to do so.  Have also dabbled in carbons the past few years.  Hard to beat it for durability or front loading for better penetration on big critters..
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Post by: Ron Vought on December 30, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
I was a hold out when it came to carbons but once I tried them there was no looking back. Wood arrows are fun to build and shoot great but there are advantages to carbon for hunting. I felt that I received better penetration with carbons than I even did with wood arrows. The carbon arrow recovers quickly from a bow at shorter distances which provides IMO better penetration on game animals.

Ron
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on December 30, 2014, 11:47:00 AM
Woodies are cool, but carbon is King.

I use carbons for almost everything, but there is just something cool about having a nice set of woodies in your quiver from time to time...
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Post by: Chromebuck on December 30, 2014, 03:39:00 PM
Woods for show carbons for dough!

These discussions tend to revolve around individual ideologies, which tend to lean towards what "traditional" means.

The beauty of it is I define that meaning.

~CB
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Post by: on December 30, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
I use tapered wood, tapered carbon and if I could, my aluminum arrows would be tapered as well.  Since the biggest thing I shoot is just Iowa whitetails, I get pass throughs with all three, which makes it tough to judge penetration. All three fly equally well for me, as long as I build them right. The opening day of last spring's turkey  season gave me something to consider.  I came across a dead buck. With the number of coyotes in that area and the fact that the deer was whole made me wonder if it was poached.  It had about 18 to 20 plus inches of shredded carbon hanging out of its front shoulder.  The buck had to have been chewing on that carbon for a while.  It turns out that the date of the deer getting hit could not be determined, it was a bad hit with a mechanical broadhead and the broadhead malfunctioned, like that never happens.  I have also heard of a deer that had broken carbon in its rump muscles that was shot near us.  I wonder about the dangers of this and how often it happens.  I have seen pics of what an exploding carbon can do to the archer's hand, but have never read anything on the dangers of shredded carbon to the deer or the deer handler.
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Post by: LBR on December 30, 2014, 04:48:00 PM
QuoteIs it true that carbon arrows are king of the block?
Depends on what block you are on.

They are definitely more convenient--readily available, ready to shoot, don't require as much understanding.

On the flip side, I wouldn't want to eat a critter that had broken a carbon arrow that didn't pass through.

As far as accuracy goes, watch "The Legendary Hunts of Ben Pearson".  If wood arrows are less accurate, 'ol Ben would have really been amazing with carbon or aluminum.  How much better can you get than sky busting mallards?
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Post by: on December 30, 2014, 05:06:00 PM
Perhaps this may only be for my bows arrows and shooting, but I have wood arrows that will shoot accurate and fly straight out of four different weight bows. Those tapered carbons do not fly for the bow I ordered them for, but they do fly out of another. I have aluminum arrows,1918s that will fly out of a 52 right hand bow but will not fly as well out of a left hand bow of the same make and poundage, it prefers 1818s with a different weight head, where as the wood arrows will fly perfect out of both bows. It seems that my wood arrows may be forgiving of harsh releases more so than the carbons out of the bow they like, while the carbons and aluminums seemed to have no forgiveness of soft releases.  I am sure others results will vary, but insisting that my arrows are always going be 27" bop for a draw check, I am self limiting my options for spines. I needed a sky hook to get those uncut target Bemans out of my back quiver, glad I found someone that could shoot them for 3D.
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Post by: Carpdaddy on December 30, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
I use them all, if you are having trouble deciding between carbon and wood; try cane. I was at KTBA tradfest about four years ago (and every year since)standing around lusting after Big Jims bows and heard a conversation going on about carbon arrows, someone was praising the carbon express heritage arrows so highly that I just could not leave without a dozen. Don't know how much Big Jim paid the guy! LOL Anyway; I have shot and missed several stumps, and even taken several deer with those arrows and yet to break one, I haven't even bent one. I lost one out of my quiver and shot another one through a deer that I never found, still have and use the other ten. Maybe I can get Big Jim to replace those two, for a fee he might.