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Title: Bow depreciation
Post by: Dan bree on December 12, 2014, 11:46:00 AM
Hey guys. I want to thin the stable a bit. How much depreiation on mostly longbows that were in the six hundred range when new  . There all in good shape. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: nineworlds9 on December 12, 2014, 11:56:00 AM
It all depends on what it is, specs, how old and flaws etc.  can be anywhere from 40-70% of new based on those kinda factors.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: monterey on December 12, 2014, 11:59:00 AM
Some of my bows are now worth more!  
eg, Shakespeare Super Necedah, New $35 now $??? (definetely more than 35!)
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Mike Vines on December 12, 2014, 12:17:00 PM
They are probably valued NOW, what you told your wife THEN.  LOL
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: McDave on December 12, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
If the bow is fairly new, has a good reputation, and no significant dings, 50% is a good rule of thumb.  Could be more or less, of course, depending on individual circumstances.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Hermon on December 12, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
A bow that is in like new condition, but extremely high/low poundage, will likely be valued less that a bow that is of moderate draw.
I see 65# plus bows have a hard time selling.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Gordon Jabben on December 12, 2014, 12:34:00 PM
I agree with McDave, around 50%.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Doc Nock on December 12, 2014, 12:51:00 PM
Draw weight like Hermon said, is a big factor.

See it at the many shoots, on line auctions, etc.

Also how long the "wait" for that bowyer...

Lots of variables, but you have some good ball park values to get started...
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Takedown on December 12, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Good one Mike!
Harry
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Bladepeek on December 12, 2014, 01:01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Mike Vines:
They are probably valued NOW at what you told your wife THEN.  LOL
You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool a wife very darned long. You nailed it Mke.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: 3arrows on December 12, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
Depends on if you are the buyer or seller.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Izzy on December 12, 2014, 03:20:00 PM
Only sure way to find out is to get em listed in the classifieds.   :readit:
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: bowless on December 12, 2014, 05:09:00 PM
Reviewing the classifieds often will give you a good idea of what the bows are worth. Plus it's just plain fun!
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Dan bree on December 13, 2014, 12:11:00 AM
Thanks guys.  Now I have to get over  which ones get to leave the family.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Biathlonman on December 13, 2014, 08:07:00 AM
I'd guess 350-450 range
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: monkeyball on December 13, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
What really makes a bow depreciate so much? I believe that if you have a bow that is in the "lime light" at the moment and someone needs it, you have a good chance of a reasonable sale.

  New bow prices depending on who you buy from can probably start at around $600, maybe less, it depends. Some are very much higher. It depends on how "pretty" a picture you want to have.

 Money isn't exactly gushing out all over at the moment, especially with the Christmas season here. There has not been a lot of "I'll take   it" on the Classifieds and that will probably not loosen up until the new year.

   I personally can't afford to sell bows at half price( and were talking what I have in them) If I get a deal, I offer a deal. But if I spend a grand and that bow is like new, I can't afford to sell it for 1/2 of that.

   Good luck Dan, I have seen a few of your bows and they should not have any problem selling, but likewise, don't shed to many tears yet as they may be hanging around for a while.

                                   Good Shooting,
                                                    Craig
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: jackdaw on December 13, 2014, 08:42:00 PM
My experience seem to be about....50%-60% of original value on a good condition bow...Those Holcombs of ours were about $625.00-$650 00 new....I'd feel great getting 400 $ these days..NO....I'm not selling those....   just approximating for Dan...
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: McDave on December 13, 2014, 10:31:00 PM
There are a number of reasons other than just being used that a used bow will sell at a substantial discount from a new bow.

If you buy a new bow from a recognized bowyer, he will make good on any defects that turn up within a reasonable amount of time after you buy the bow.  Even if it isn't actually a defect, but just that the bow didn't perform as expected, my experience is that a bowyer will try to make a buyer happy.  Even if a problem is admittedly caused by the buyer, a bowyer will do what he can to help ease the pain. For example, a number of years ago I had a bow dry fire because the arrow nock was too loose and the arrow fell off the string at full draw.  The shock caused the bow to fly out of my bow hand and the riser cracked when it hit the concrete patio I was standing on.   I called the bowyer and he sold me another riser he happened to have laying around for $100.

Very few people sell bows that they really like.  If it's a quality bow, maybe the buyer will like it better than the seller did, or maybe the seller got old and couldn't pull the bow anymore, or just bought a bow that was too heavy to start with, or maybe he fell into hard times and just needed the money.  But the fact is there are bows out there that have been sold and resold a number of times and are probably just dogs.  When a bowyer makes something out of wood, no matter what his reputation, he can't guarantee that it will always turn out like he wanted it to.

Buyers and sellers of used bows often disagree on what is a cosmetic blemish and what is a structural defect.  Most sellers of used bows here on Tradgang would be willing to take a bow back if the buyer doesn't like it and returns it right away.  However, that is still a hassle and there is the question of return shipping charges.

All that said, I have been very happy with my experience buying and selling bows here on TradGang. It has given me the chance to try a number of bows I wouldn't be able to try otherwise at a very low cost, as once the big new/used discount has been taken, you really shouldn't lose much money on buying a used bow if you know what you're doing.

In the end, it comes down to supply and demand, like everything else.  A bow may be "worth" $1,000 to a seller, but if nobody else is willing to pay that, then he's not going to be able to sell that bow for $1,000.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: monkeyball on December 13, 2014, 11:32:00 PM
Yep, limelight....supply and demand, kind of the same thing just different wording.

 If I drop a $1000+ for let us say a "tricked out " Widow, and the bow is like new and a good #, and for some unseen reason I would have to suddenly sell it. I would really expect to do better than 50%.

 I agree with the warranty issue. I actually had a bowyer get online here when he saw I was selling one of his bows and he"continued" the warranty to the next owner. Now there is a guy you want to deal with, and I do!

  Each to there own, and maybe that is one of the reasons I do not buy a lot of  new bows. You have to be selling what someone "wants".

                                                 Good Shooting,
                                                                   Craig
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Krex1010 on December 14, 2014, 12:07:00 AM
Mike vines......excellent answer and probably dead on!
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Tsalt on December 14, 2014, 01:12:00 AM
50% is really disheartening.  I had no idea that would be considered standard.  I've had a nice one year old bow in the classifieds since October.  It was a $1000 new and I just lowered it down to $800 tyd.   I figured the fact that it was only a year old and in perfect condition would keep the value up.  I also figured there was some increased value in that the bowyer has a year wait on any order.     :dunno:
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: McDave on December 14, 2014, 08:49:00 AM
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that 50% was standard.  It's just the observation of one person who has bought and sold a few bows.  Whatever discount a bow may sell for off list price is a result of a lot of things, like the economy, the type and specs of the bow, and the demand for one particular bowyer's bows over another's.  10 years ago, the market for used bows seemed to be stronger than it is today; maybe there were less of them around. 10 years from now, used bows may be selling at a premium if there is inflation in the economy, perhaps a shortage of materials, and a variety of other factors.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Doc Nock on December 14, 2014, 12:51:00 PM
McDave,

Back in the "old" days of classifieds, I visited but bought little.  I did enjoy reading a few guys who would buy/sell over and over and over...just for the sheer joy of shooting a myriad of bows...

There were two s'uthin boys who bantered a bit...one joked that at least he, unlike his buddy, shot the bow in question before he re-sold it!

I guess it can be an addiction... but in the back of my head, twisting a limb stringing, dry firing, string breaking...there are sooo many things that could happen to a stick bow that would give me the heebie jeebies to buy used, unless I knew the seller and the bow...

The lack of warranty is huge IMO.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: longbow fanatic 1 on December 14, 2014, 01:06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Tsalt:
50% is really disheartening.  I had no idea that would be considered standard.  I've had a nice one year old bow in the classifieds since October.  It was a $1000 new and I just lowered it down to $800 tyd.   I figured the fact that it was only a year old and in perfect condition would keep the value up.  I also figured there was some increased value in that the bowyer has a year wait on any order.       :dunno:  
My personal feeling is that in a down bow market, the seller could look at it in a positive way. The depreciation has already occurred, so shoot the heck out of the bow. Enjoy the bow because you're not going to lose a significant percentage over 50% by shooting it.

I have a couple up for sale and if I can't sell them for my asking price, over very close too that, it's not worth taking the hit financially. I'd rather keep them and shoot them.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Bjorn on December 14, 2014, 01:24:00 PM
I generally go with 50% when there are no real flaws. When I want to make some room on the rack the sooner they are gone the sooner I can buy some more.
50% is my target for selling; and buying too-it all works out!   :archer2:
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: damascusdave on December 14, 2014, 06:57:00 PM
In reality what the seller thinks a bow is worth has no bearing on a sale if they really are wishing to sell it...unless a buyer is willing to pay a particular price there will be no sale...if you buy a new bow with the idea of selling it you are going to be disappointed...that is one reason I have only bought 3 new bows out of the 40 or so that I have owned

DDave
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: damascusdave on December 14, 2014, 07:02:00 PM
There are a lot of us who consider ourselves to be collectors of classic bows...we seem to do okay without a warranty...I have never had a problem with any old bow I have bought other than some limb twist which was relatively easy to fix...pretty clearly with today's collectible selling prices we did not buy them to make money, but for the pure joy of owning them

DDave
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: longbow fanatic 1 on December 14, 2014, 07:07:00 PM
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Originally posted by damascusdave:
In reality what the seller thinks a bow is worth has no bearing on a sale if they really are wishing to sell it...unless a buyer is willing to pay a particular price there will be no sale...if you buy a new bow with the idea of selling it you are going to be disappointed...that is one reason I have only bought 3 new bows out of the 40 or so that I have owned

DDave
DD makes a good point. If you look at buying a new bow with the idea of selling it, you're buying a depreciating item with little chance of recovering your investment. If you're not in NEED of the money, then wait. The market will improve and you can sell your bow for a little higher price later or keep shooting it and sell it for the 50% later, after you've had your fun.

There are TG'ers who consistently sell bows for 75% of the value of their investment. That said, it's critical that you purchase a bow which is sought after. Then, purchase a bow between #40-#50 lbs. Do that, and you will likely receive the highest return on your money. My 2 cents!
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: killinstuff on December 14, 2014, 07:41:00 PM
Well, you could tee it up first before you list it for sale. I see guys start posts about how great this bow is or who likes and shoots that bow and it builds interest. Fellas post pics of their bows, the post is read by other guys that feed the post by commenting on them and so on. Next thing you know you have a few guys that want such a bow. A bit of chum in the water to start a little feeding frenzy.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: longbow fanatic 1 on December 14, 2014, 07:43:00 PM
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Originally posted by killinstuff:
Well, you could tee it up first before you list it for sale. I see guys start posts about how great this bow is or who likes and shoots that bow and it builds interest. Fellas post pics of their bows, the post is read by other guys that feed the post by commenting on them and so on. Next thing you know you have a few guys that want such a bow. A bit of chum in the water to start a little feeding frenzy.
I like it! Chum the waters!
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: GreyGoose on December 15, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
I wonder whether the discount realized for high draw weight also applies to high quality, high inherent value bows?

Over the past 5 years I've bought 4 used longbows (for me, a couple more for my daughters) from the TG classifieds and sold one, all in the price range of $200-$400, and all between 40% and 60% of their current price new.  These have given me a good idea of the features I'd like to have in a higher end bow, and I have a much better sense of what I'd be getting now if I bought a used one that had most of those attributes and I could accept getting less of a discount than I have been blessed with so far.  But that said,  if I'm looking at paying 80 % of new for a high-end bow, I'd probably go whole hog, both to get exactly the features I want AND the warranty.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Orion on December 15, 2014, 07:22:00 PM
Good observation killingstuff.  I agree with some others, too, that it is a bit of a down market right now.  A sought after name in a good draw weight might bring 60-70% of new, but 50% of new is much more common.  I don't buy new much anymore.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: riverrat 2 on December 15, 2014, 08:37:00 PM
I agree with the 50-60% rule. Most of the time. As stated before though..there are exceptions. Some bows are just sought after more. And those will return 70% provided they are in good condition,you have good pics,and they are not over a few years old. rat'
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Hatrick on December 15, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
Funnything about used bows. The older classics go for 3X (and some even more) then what they cost new. The New "flavor of the month" bows go for 60% +- of their new cost. I've purchased my share of both.

This is not meant to degrade the new bows. They look great, most shoot great, and the bowyers certainly don't make a killing for the time they put into them. It's just that after a while you realize that older recurves shoot just as good as the new ones.

It's modern design R/D longbows and low stretch string materials where most of the improvements have been made and they still lose 40% +- value after purchase. I'll put some ASL longbows into that category as well.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Tsalt on December 15, 2014, 10:59:00 PM
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Originally posted by killinstuff:
Well, you could tee it up first before you list it for sale. I see guys start posts about how great this bow is or who likes and shoots that bow and it builds interest. Fellas post pics of their bows, the post is read by other guys that feed the post by commenting on them and so on. Next thing you know you have a few guys that want such a bow. A bit of chum in the water to start a little feeding frenzy.
Great idea!  Let's start a feeding frenzy for my Cari-bow wolverine that's over in the classifieds!     :readit:
Just kidding!  
This thread is quite informative for me.  Looking at it from the buyer's perspective, I totally understand not wanting to spend 80% of new cost for a high end used bow....as was said above, might as well buy new and get the warranty.  I guess I'm gonna bite the bullet and adjust my price.  Another selling challenge for me is my bow is  61lbs...well outside the popular range.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: Tsalt on December 15, 2014, 11:08:00 PM
But I've got another question for you guys....
I have had my bow listed at about 80% of new (it's just a year old and in mint condition).  If someone was interested but though I was a couple hundred too high, would they just make an offer?  Is haggling over price and making offers considered taboo or something?
I have only had two guys interested, both of whom wanted a trade... Which I was not interested in.
Title: Re: Bow depreciation
Post by: McDave on December 16, 2014, 10:13:00 AM
Speaking for myself only, of course, if I think someone is a little high, I might make an offer $100 lower and see where we end up.  If I think someone is more than $100 over what I want to pay, then I won't bother.

OTOH, if I decide I want to sell a bow, I'll price it pretty close to what I think the market is.  I'd rather take it off the market rather than haggle much.  I've had people try to haggle with me to the point that they become a nuisance, and actually get irate that I don't want to haggle back.  So I may have lost some sales by underpricing to start with and not leaving much room to haggle.