It's nice to hunt with a back quiver when hunting deer but try to drawer a arrow out when you got a buck or doe. About to be shot . Gone ! So why. Carry so many arrows ? Hip or a bow quiver carrying 4or so arrows will do .
Back quivers are growing on me. I find them incredibly simple to move through woods and brush with. In the thickest stuff I just rotate it horizontaly under my left arm. If I am in a brush blind (or stand for that matter if I used them) it is just next to me, as convient as anything else as far as movement. As to why so many arrows, deer are fun to hunt, as are squirrels, pigs, coyotes, and stumps. And they are all open at the same time. I wouldn't bust a deer hunt on a squirrel, but anything else and I'm after it. Just yesterday I came into a sounder of pigs. Manged 3 shots with a backquiver. But... Like everything they are subjective prefrences for some people and not others, for sometimes and not always. Its as long a rabbit hole as "which type of arrow" or "which type of bow", there will always be someone who loves one over another. Just my opinion.
If a back quiver doesn't work for you , use something different. Some of us use them and like them . Even with their drawbacks. To each his own.
for some, its a feeling. and. . why are you waiting till then to draw an arrow out ?
ChuckC
I assumed it was implied you meant a follow up shot? My primary arrow rides in a single 2 blade broad head hood tied to my upper limb.
Dan...you have a PM.
ChuckC..... :thumbsup:
Love my Hill style bows and back quivers in the woods!!!
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Never cost me any animals and why would they :dunno:
Tracy
Awesome pic.
I found them not to work for me from a stand. Ground hunting or spot & stalk like out west, I could see it.
Though not enough times, I've been out west,,wouldn't work for me out there either. They just look so cool though, I got one when I got the chance to get something I considered to have a high cool factor, it's a Fisher, paws legs and all. Only problem is, it has to be really cold for me to use it or my back starts to sweat, so I haven't had the chance to use it that much.
I hunt with a Safari tough side quiver and , you can really get through the thick stuff with it.
My backquiver is with me 90% of the time when bowhunting whitetails or in the prairie.
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Like I said Joe, very high cool factor !
you live in a land where the squirrels runs cared of their shadow...turkeys wont gobble for fear of death from something and deer are no different, lol.
I wouldn't use a back quiver I'd opt for a side quiver if you don't want a bow quiver.
I like back quivers and own 2, wear one regularly, it has its place, imho where the animals run scared like they do on the east coast is not the place!
Ha ha......these threads get me.
Here is the number one reason a lot of people do not like backquivers:
They take effort, training, practice, and need to be well designed and broken in. Like all things traditional once you accomplish all that the benefits are many and the drawbacks become inconsequential.
First read this and get set up properly:
http://traditionalknowhow.blogspot.com/
There was a reason Howard Hill, Ben Pearson, Bob Swineheart, and MANY others decided to stick with the back quiver despite the availability of the bow quiver and others.
Carrying many arrows has its advantages. I carry at least a dozen and half are blunts. Many times I have used all 6 on squirrel and wanted more!
Speed is an advantage. That follow up shot magically appears on your string without looking. Sometimes things happen and a fast second shot is useful.
Stealth - If set up right and on the back of someone proficient one can crawl and sneak through thick brush easier than with a bow quiver catching stuff.
Flagging game---never been an issue for me as I usually have an arrow on the string and the follow up is so fast and smooth there is no problem. My fletchings ride low behind me and usually cannot even be seen from the front as I ease through brush.....and yes, I do live in the thickest of the EAST!
You also have a built in game carrier if you happen to kill a few squirrels out there... :archer:
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I always joke around with my hunting buddies...tell them "It's sacriligious to put a bowquiver on a Longbow". Longbows and Backquivers...Turkey and Thanksgiving....same with recurves... :clapper: :laughing:
I tried back quivers when I used selfbows....never got the right feel or setup with it....switched to a side 'tube' style quiver that was much more preferable to me...I could just sling it around my neck and go, or I could lash it to the side of a daypack ala-cat quiver and still have easy access.
nowadays. I really do prefer a bow quiver. the added mass on the bow helps to quiet the bow and make it more stable....and I can nock an arrow as fast as I ever could with back or side. (I four fletch so I don't need to look at the nock, just get it snapped to the string and fire.)
and ALL of my hunting is in the northeast...MA, CT, NH, RI...would love to get to NY too. mix of open hardwoods to nasty tangley buckbrush, bittersweet and raspberry thickets.
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I think twoforhooking nailed it right on. Done improperly a backquiver will be nothing but a pain. Done right and its hard to beat. I made this one (and have since improved upon it in small ways, such as adding a broadhead file pocket to the shoulder strap) and it works great. Its soft so it hugs the arrows to reduce noise and is very comfortable. But again, thats just my prefrence. Building it allowed me to make it exactly what I was looking for and at the same time gave me the ability to appreciate it more. (http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah128/cavscout9753/72570369-7A54-47B1-A385-ACF28B96EB4F_zps2cuixmxt.jpg) (http://s1379.photobucket.com/user/cavscout9753/media/72570369-7A54-47B1-A385-ACF28B96EB4F_zps2cuixmxt.jpg.html)
I think the starter of this thread was just stirring the pot or a troll, he has started a couple other threads and done the same thing, not responded.
Great picks guys and I agree with all the believers longbows and back quivers are something that can't be exspained it is felt and practiced. Something special about it once you find it :thumbsup:
Tracy
Looks that way K.S., what an odd past time for some folks and an even odder subject to use.
I agree longbows and back quivers seem to just go right together but I've never been a longbow or back quiver type of guy. These days I use a Safari Tuff Arrowmaster. But a couple of my longbow totin' friends use them and they seem to enjoy them. they ARE very traditional looking and I like the idea of carrying lots of arrows.
I harken back to my childhood when my parents gave me a Ben Pearson longbow set in the 50s and the back quiver was stiff as a board and when I bent over all the arrows fell out. Then when you put them in they hit the bottom and it sounded like they hit a hollow drum. Guess I never got over it.
I love the IDEA of back quivers, but most of my hunting is done with a pack on my back. The two just don't go together. Bow quivers worked fine for many years but they clutter the bow and influence the way the bow shoots, at least for me. Side quivers work for me.
Hope the rest of the family agrees cause I'm in the middle of making 7 of them!!
different strokes for different folks i guess, i personally use a cat quiver- and i have tried the back quivers extensively- but my go to is, every one of my bows has a solo stalker on. i have made 2 blade and 3 blade solo stalkers- quick and easy to get out and on the string- super safe too!
here is a link with one, i build mine a little different, and i dont use the bottom arrow clip.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=111332
Remember those quicky brown rubber 4 arrow slide on, and push the wire clamp down things? Once I called in a fox, it was damn cold. I had 5 arrows, one in hand four on the bow, broadheads jutting out in open air screaming for blood. I shot and missed, the fox ran from left to right about 15 yards and stopped. I went for another arrow and snapped it trying to get it out of the quiver. The fox ran about 70 yards and stopped again. This time I was more careful, but the quiver cut two dandy slots in my arrow as I pulled it out.
Then once in a permanent tree stand, a Bear wire braced bow quiver, 4 arrow, a small buck ran up and stopped. I had a narrow shooting lane, too narrow, I hit the tree. When I shot, one arrow fell out to the ground, the two remaining Bear 308s were slid down and dangling by the foam and rattling against my bow limb. Bow quivers have come a long way, however, back quivers have stayed about the same. Set them up right and learn how to manage them, they are the only way to play. I have four, one needed some work. It looked just like my same sized right hander, but on the left it hung wrong. I punched new holes and finally found where I could reach my arrows without any contortions. Back quivers are most definitely not one size fits all. Every time I change clothing thickness I need to adjust the quiver and that could change the angles of things and make for a challenge, but it is a workable material and solutions are only an adjustment or two away.
trapper and cav scout. Not trolling only do that when I'm fishing. And what's so odd about my post . I didn't know I was obligated to reply . And what's my other posts I didn't reply to? I've been only bow hunting since 1964. Use back quivers and the ones I use arr a hill Nate Steen. Daver creager. I use a back PAC. and a folding stool. when hunting for me that's enough to carry on my old shoulders. Just prefer hip or bow quivers while deer hunting. 3 d. Shoots or stump shoot shooting. I'll ware a back quiver. Just wanted to get some feed back from others.
No Dan, of course you aren't required to reply to your own post. And forgive me please for assuming you were trolling, but it is common and when done it is done in a manner much like this thread: pose a subjective question and then abandon it. You did ask a question, and for several days myself and others were merely answering it from our own opinion. so yes, the formula for a troll was there, again, my apologies. If your thread was more along the lines of "I don't use back quivers often because I carry a back pack and stool and I just prefer bow and side quivers" this whole matter would of gone differently. But you asked why people need so many arrows and then claimed they wont be suitable for deer hunting when a deer is close, this of course caused people to defend their own experiences. As for the "odd" remark, I simply meant that IF someone were to troll the forum there are certainly more inflammatory subjects than which quiver everyone prefers and why. Bow speed debates are always spirited and lively, they can go that route. There's no intentional harm done here, and I am sorry for the "troll" remark.
QuoteOriginally posted by Cavscout9753:
No Dan, of course you aren't required to reply to your own post. And forgive me please for assuming you were trolling, but it is common and when done it is done in a manner much like this thread: pose a subjective question and then abandon it. You did ask a question, and for several days myself and others were merely answering it from our own opinion. so yes, the formula for a troll was there, again, my apologies. If your thread was more along the lines of "I don't use back quivers often because I carry a back pack and stool and I just prefer bow and side quivers" this whole matter would of gone differently. But you asked why people need so many arrows and then claimed they wont be suitable for deer hunting when a deer is close, this of course caused people to defend their own experiences. As for the "odd" remark, I simply meant that IF someone were to troll the forum there are certainly more inflammatory subjects than which quiver everyone prefers and why. Bow speed debates are always spirited and lively, they can go that route. There's no intentional harm done here, and I am sorry for the "troll" remark.
Cavscout, Good post. :shaka:
No need to apologies Were all in the same game in this great sport and I for one have respect for all. Dan
I am still trying to figure out what makes it a trolling post. I will say that I use a back quiver for exactly the reasons you don't like them. I find that getting an arrow out of a hip quiver or a bow quiver difficult if a second quick shot is required. And good lord I need a lot of arrows if a flock of pheasants gets in my way, that is where I have issues with carbon and aluminum arrows. Eventually the wood shafts will rot away and the broadhead will rust away, besides being a bit cheaper per shaft. I should add that I take the back quiver off and take out a couple of arrows and set them in a convenient to grab position when sitting on my huntmore, with my bow on my leg. I used to take the bow quiver off my recurves as well, but when I went to hip quivers I strapped them to a branch when up in a tree stand. If I were hunting out of a tree stand mostly, I would still be doing that. Nothing is louder than me cussing at my back quiver as it is falling to the ground. My first deer season was also in 1964, I had a motorcycle but no drivers license. I never got caught driving the 14 miles to the river, but I nearly froze to death a few times and yes, I had a recurve with a bow quiver strapped to the bike.
Back packs are the exact reason I went to a side quiver or I'd have stuck with my back quiver!
More often than not I have a pack frame on....side quivers really are the perfect quiver. Back quivers have a nostalgia to them, nothing wrong with it and I enjoy hunting with them as well. When it comes to meat and potaters hunting, I'm 100% side quiver. Either a Jack Bowyers Chief or a modded great northern longbow quiver (added a 550 cord strap pre great northern side quiver days). There truly is no better setup! If you're classic tradition, run a back quiver. I dislike a bowquiver on my longbows as well. I don't like the added weight and see no benefit by it other than its handy.
GFA quiver is ok but it has the same issue with the rubber clips, they are heck on shafts in the cold! I had to do some trimming for them to accept 23/64ths wood.
I do NOT like my chief for 3d shoots or range time!!! I will wear it but typically wear my back quiver. I have a foam plug in the open end to keep shafts away from each other during hunts. I cant remember who it was, Jay Campbell or Dean T who showed me this, I was laughing too hard the hole time on a bou hunt up north to remember. Its pretty slick, though no needed. Cut a plug with notches on the outside for the shafts and do your thing. Loading sidequivers like the chief, raptor, or anything similar stinks when doing it repeatedly! Hunting with it on the other hand....like I said, NOTHING comes close or is as versatile!
I am so old, fat and stiff I cant even scratch my back.
Have an old "chuck adams" hip quiver for most of my hunting and use a bow quiver sometimes
I originally got this from a thread Rob D. posted and I really liked it, so for whatever its worth...
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Cavscout,
Thanks for posting the article. I enjoyed reading it.
Dan, thanks for letting us no your intentions and finally responding. Sorry I didn't post last night but we were butchering deer.
Lucas, I read that article back in 2001 when it came out, it really stuck with me because at that time we were driving to Oregon elk hunting every year with my buddy that lived up there. I hunted all over Oregon from the coast to the east side and did it for 10 years.
When I went to the Hill style bows I remembered that article and looked thru every magazine I had trying to find that article. Lucky for me Rob posted that on here and I have re-read it several times, some great tips IMHO. Thanks!
Tracy
You're all welcome. Yeah, when I found that in a thread Rob posted I loved it. I'm not necessarily advocating back quivers (though I now prefer it), its only meant as a way to show folks how to do it effectively. That way the decision to use it or not use it is based on an informed and thourough trial, thats all.
Good article, thanks.
CHuckC
Proficiency can be obtained with a bow quiver...
http://www.tradgang.com/videos/schafer/psgoat5.wmv
And of course for the quick shooting and reload with the back quiver...
http://www.tradgang.com/videos/ronlaclair/ronl-6.wmv
Many of the problems associated with the back quiver come from the fit of the quiver or more often lack of fit and lack of skill development of the archer. Any quiver is an integral part of the bowhunters shooting technique and sequence, or at least in my opinion should be for best practice. Practice with the bow quiver and withdrawing another arrow quickly, with "conditioned instinct" is just as important as with a back quiver. You just never know when you will get that second shot... or third... or forth...LOL!
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Can anyone tell me how to get the Dvd with all of the "Instinctive Archer Magazines"?