I'd like to solicit some ideas on a specific need I have. I've built a few lightweight colapsable game carts over the years. The best one I went and forgot at my host's place in Illinois a few years ago, dang it.
I've got numerous places locally on large woods tracts of public land here I usually hunt via boat. Then the walk in could be up to 1/2 mile or more thru swampy flat woods, with can get softer in wet season.
Our public land deer rules here allow only field dressing, no skinning, cutting up and quartering in bags, backpacks etc. (hogs are ok, done this many times). Deer must be taken off the property whole. My days of dragging are done, thank goodness.
Out of all my many stands and gear my little 6# Windwalker stand comes to mind. An idea is to pack in/out lightweight wheels and axle etc and convert it to cart when needed. I hunt alone, and go in/out dark usually. Trying to omit having to walk back to boat to get a cart, go back get deer, etc.
If anyone has one of the foldup aluminum carts, I'd love to know how quiet it is. I'd possibly buy one of these and haul it part ways every hunt, but only if no rattling. Or mod as needed.
Or lightweight wheel ideas are good too. I've only seen the types at Northern Tool, Harbor Freight, not quite what I wanted. My best cart had large plastic wheelchair wheels. Pretty strong too, but kinda big for this application.
I consider myself pretty experienced, and have some ideas, but lots of this crowd are pretty resourceful too. Any thoughts?
Hi, I have a folding deer cart I bought 5 years ago from Cabela. It's very good, easy to set up, light weight. Holds up to 500 lbs. Now it's not to good on narrow trails, wheels get hung up, so get the wheel covers for yours.I don't use it for every hunt . But when I'm close to or using a logging trail, it's worth every penny. Pulls easy even with a deer on it and my gear coming out. Look at Cabelas or Bass pro, Don't get a cheap one, there only like $100 to $150 for good ones. Research them. Good luck.
Look at one of the crazy carpet type plastic ones. Lite, slides on most stuff and rolls up small - no noise.
best one i saw was one my buddy built to be pulled behind a mountain bike. great for getting far back on public land roads with no motorized access.
i have tried 3 different game carts and find that a simple jet sled works so much better. have drug 5 deer this year on a jet sled and it is amazingly simple. heck my kids 11 and 12 took turns dragging one of my deer 7/8th of a mile on my gps and they never stopped for a break.
if you get the smaller jet sled jr in camo you could throw your stand, sticks, etc in the sled and drag it out to about 100 yards from your stand and then stash the sled so its there if you need it or for the long way out.
30 bucks and free shipping from amazon...cant beat it.
I took a two wheel shop cart, plastic body with built in stair rails in back, with pneumatic rubber wheels, wider ones.. The metal handle was reversible, so I reversed it. Then I built a platform, maybe 14" x 20" or so and put it onto two pieces of 2x scraps such that they could be poked beneath some cross members part way up the cart and lay across the lip of the bottom scooper thingie. Essentially, when I hold the handle, the platform is relatively horizontal. I have had that thru mud and sand and over fallen trees. Works pretty dang well, and then, when I need it for a two wheel cart, I reverse the handles and go.
I posted pix before I think on an earlier thread.
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ChuckC
A knee board with an eye bolt on the pointed end, along with a few others for tying game to board works great in muddy conditions. I have hauled hogs out on a knee board more than a few times, some of them were alive and hog tied.
Man this is interesting, LOL! Keep em coming! Keep in mind we're no snow/ice, only dry and/or wet hardwoods. I'd rather not drag anything if I can help it, LOL.
Mark...I hunt in a very similar way to you. 95% of the time out of a boat then a walk anywhere from 1/4 - 1 mile to my tree. I've finally come to the conclusion that it's best to just leave my deer cart and pack frame in the boat (we can quarter them in AR after checking which I do online via smartphone). If it's a fairly short distance and not too thick I bring the cart. If it's a longer distance or through thick or nasty terrain I bring the pack frame and bone them out.
I take my stand in and out with me on every trip and trying to wheel out a deer with a stand on my back and bow in one hand is just too much. I'd rather walk back to the boat, drop everything off and make a trip back in for the deer.
Interesting topic though and I'll be watching to see if someone comes up with something I haven't thought about.
I think tall skinny wheels are a must, and not to wide so you can get through trees. the one I use is the one cabelas has, and works fine for me. and I all ways have to go get it. it doubles my walking and my time, but I don't want to drag it in and out every time.
DT I usually would do what you suggest, walk back, unload, get cart, go back. And like you, my stand goes in/out too.
Did this on a big 7pt in the swamp a few years back, man that was rough. It was very wet, tons of nasty debris/logs/thickets to go over/around. I'd do it again, but always looking for a better way to eliminate 2nd trip for cart.
The other side is with one trip, I know I flipped that cart numerous times and would have broke any weapons strapped on for sure. No way I could pull it with bow in one hand.
Gotta be safe/careful too on these deals, no phone service out here in the swamps.
Arrow30, I thought that too. I lose nothing at all with those wide tires and the low profile makes it more stable. Those stair runners get me over fallen trees pretty easy. It really worked well for me.
Mark, I'd try a deer sled. The one with grommets.
I use one of the ice fishing sleds its way easier than a deer cart unless you have roads that arnt swampy or muddy than a deer cart works fine. But I like the sled because it works great in any weather and even better in snow and the sled has a big enough lip that the deer dont slide out, plus you can load sled down with packs and clothes and etc when your dragging your game out.
I've got a Game Sled. It works great for pulling a deer or hog in woods. It slides really easily over logs and branches. It weighs about 7 pounds, though. If I'm going to be walking 1/2 mile or so in, I usually strap it to my pack frame. If less, I just leave it in the truck and get it when I need it.
I really need to get a cart for hauling once I get to open, flat ground or a service road.
I think the big Ice fishing sled would be the ticket for water/swamp drags. Plus I have used them in the dry leaves and over logs. Its amazing how easily something slides when it looks so big and heavy.
I hunt in areas with lots of cutovers, heavy brush, etc. which would make a cart impossible because you can't get it over downed logs, etc...and I bet you are in similar country in Louisiana.
In this country a plastic roll up sled, like we used in Canada on bears would also get chewed up really bad
Look up Viking deer drag sled. I really like this as an option...it's hard, so it won't tear, it has built in attachment points for roping in the deer, and its narrower than other game sleds so it will work in tighter places like I tend to hunt in. It has a raised "nose" so you can get it up over downed tree trunks and other obstacles easier, pulls great, and doesn't try to tip over or spill the deer out when moving over rough spots.
I think they run 40 bucks....yes, you'll have to go back to the truck or boat to get it, but I think it's still the best of all options in southern thick country.
This sounds nuts but these are the two things I use to get deer out of the woods.
The ice fishing sled is for the rough stuff, deer pull easier in it than on the ground.
A couple of years ago I killed a huge doe at the back end of a field a long way from my truck. I had a bush hogged lane to the back of the field but had cut a lot of saplings off when I mowed the lane and knew they would puncture my tires if I tried to drive to the deer.
I had just been to a family picnic and had used the wheelbarrow to haul wood to the huge fireplace in the pavilion we rented. The wheelbarrow was still in the truck so I thought I would give it a try for hauling deer.
It was really easy to roll to the deer. I tilted the front end down, grabbed the deer's legs and pulled it pulled it into the wheelbarrow, super easy.
I headed to my truck, first down hill, then up hill all with ease.
I have a Cabella's Mag hauler that doesn't move deer all that easily with it's skinny tires. Moving one with the wheelbarrow took half the effort as the Mag Hauler. The Mag Hauler squeaks and rattles as it moves, the wheelbarrow was completely silent.
Now the Mag hauler stays under my deck and the wheelbarrow stays in my truck during deer season.
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A jet sled, like the one in Eric's photo, is awesome. Stand, bow, extra gear can all fit inside and be drug through the woods. I leave it about 200 yds from where I hunt. As far as noise goes, its not as loud as you would think, especially in wet woods.
QuoteOriginally posted by arrow30:
I think tall skinny wheels are a must, and not to wide so you can get through trees. the one I use is the one cabelas has, and works fine for me.
I would agree...if its hard ground and you need to get over downed logs and such...the larger diameter is an advantage.
But on muddy or swampy ground the taller skinny wheels dig in collecting junk in the spokes...so maybe something like a quad tire for that swampy stuff....
Can I ask why you are not allowed to cut up or skin in the forest?
Here most of our hunting country isn't suitable for carts, so we would approach the situation in two ways. Either carry the animal whole by making it into a pack with its legs as the straps. It is amazing what kind of weight can be comfortably carried this way. Its far easier than dragging.
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Or we would cut it into manageable pieces, even going as far as boning it out on the spot.
Well this has been fun, I posted here specifically knowing there's a large audience of do-it-yourselfers, craftsmen, etc with lots of interesting ideas.
I'm still thinking of rigging up packable wheels on one of my lighter lockons.
Similar to this Sherpa Game Cart conversion kit, but for a lockon, and without the extra metal brackets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiZR9mgHfOc
http://sherpahunting.com/summit_model.html
My priority is to eliminate that 2nd trip in/out. These are just +/- 100# deer field dressed, and throwing some wheels and simple pull tongue on a good lockon is certainly feasible.
A lightweight system like this would let you hunt/scout/haul freely as needed, without a heart attack to get the deer out. My current Windwalker stand and 4 LW sticks with flat rope totals about 11#, and is tight and narrow for getting through tight thickets, etc. I like to ramble and change plans often depending on what I'm seeing.
QuoteOriginally posted by shankspony:
Can I ask why you are not allowed to cut up or skin in the forest?
Here most of our hunting country isn't suitable for carts, so we would approach the situation in two ways. Either carry the animal whole by making it into a pack with its legs as the straps. It is amazing what kind of weight can be comfortably carried this way. Its far easier than dragging
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Or we would cut it into manageable pieces, even going as far as boning it out on the spot.
Gives new meaning to "Piggy back" ride !! :biglaugh:
Hi Mark, Don here, hope your still doing the Bluegrass thing.
I ran into a guy on an elk hunt in Idaho a couple of years ago that had made a cart with two long poles and a wheel like a wheelbarrow. He had his stand mounted on the poles and his camping gear on top of that. He had a strap attached to other end of the poles from the wheel and he put that across his shoulders and held the poles in his hand like you would do a wheelbarrow but he was pulling the rig along behind him. He told me he had packed out several elk on it through the years and the single wheel worked better on the mountain trails than a two wheel cart. I wish had had gotten a picture as I've thought about building one to use out west but have never got around to it. Anyway thought it might give you an idea of something that might work for you.
Try to make one of the LTB shoots this spring would like to visit with you again.
DJ
Craig, in many states we are indeed allowed to bone the animal out and carry out just the meat, or the quarters. Here in WI the Game Wardens don't trust us to report that we killed one of the Kings deer and demand that we turn it in whole for inspection.
At least we have more than one day to do so. When I lived in Illinois many moons ago, it was required that you turn in the deer that day, and the check stations were not open late, meaning if you were not able to find the deer until after they closed, you risked getting a ticket.
A friend indeed was issued a ticket for that very thing, turning the animal in the next morning bright and early.
CHuckC
Hey Donnyjack, they used to make a game cart several years ago called the "mule" that sounds a lot like what you are describing. A pal of mine said it was the best thing he had ever used to get deer out of a thick cut down with limbs, logs,etc. Maybe somebody else remembers them and could give you more info than me.
If I could post pics I would show how I modified an old Schwinn bike. I put a 2X4 along the horizontal frame, fastened to the seat. I put a large bolt thru that and bolted my tree stand to it. When I hauled out deer, I would tie the fore legs over the head, and tie tha to the front forks. Befor that I would pull the pelvic bone on to the seat. I could push to the trail, and then ride it out. It worked and VA whitetails were easy. Two hunters could tie a stick on the handle bars and each push. Easy
Sweet deal Mark. I'm confident that you could engineer something very similar for Sherby!
A pic of a 260 pound bear in a Jet Sled. These things work great, easy to pull loaded through the woods, they float if you need that crossing water and slide it in the back of your vehicle and everything is contained. That's the great Bowdoc in the background.
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I have both carts and sled and if I had to go with one it would be a sled. The Viking sled is what I usually use and is pretty much indestructible.
I also have an ultra lite sled that I have had for years but never used. Can not remember the brand but was around $40 and might weigh a couple of pounds at most (Viking)? Looks like it will hold up fairly well but nothing like the heavy one.
I like the carts when using horse trails or converted rail lines just not nearly as versatile.
I use a board and slide the deer into the back of my Jeep and no bloody mess.
Thanks Chuck, Wow! sometimes i envy the fact your country values its game animals with rules to protect them. Maybe some go a little far though it seems?
I have an 18 year old son :bigsmyl:
QuoteOriginally posted by Mark Normand:
Well this has been fun, I posted here specifically knowing there's a large audience of do-it-yourselfers, craftsmen, etc with lots of interesting ideas.
I'm still thinking of rigging up packable wheels on one of my lighter lockons.
Similar to this Sherpa Game Cart conversion kit, but for a lockon, and without the extra metal brackets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiZR9mgHfOc
http://sherpahunting.com/summit_model.html
My priority is to eliminate that 2nd trip in/out. These are just +/- 100# deer field dressed, and throwing some wheels and simple pull tongue on a good lockon is certainly feasible.
A lightweight system like this would let you hunt/scout/haul freely as needed, without a heart attack to get the deer out. My current Windwalker stand and 4 LW sticks with flat rope totals about 11#, and is tight and narrow for getting through tight thickets, etc. I like to ramble and change plans often depending on what I'm seeing.
Mark...Please keep us posted with what you come up with. I'm very interested in what you're talking about, I'm just not sure how to achieve it. It sounds like you've got a good idea though.
DT, I talked to the Sherpa guy last night, he's thinking of coming up with kits for popular lock on types for next year.
For us La hunters, we may have some relief coming. There was intent by our WLF dept to allow quartering of deer outside of mandatory check days, however the rules didn't get written that way this year. I just called my district office, and they won't allow it yet. So for now, I'm still on the lock-on cart idea.
I have a game cart called the NXT Shot Versacart. After read an article on bow site a few years ago I purchased this cart. It is easily the best cart I've used. Now if it's swamp or snow I use one of the kid's old plastic snow sleds - I've had good luck with that. They are really cheap and I don't worry about anybody stealing them.
I've never seen the Shappell Jet Sled before this thread. That sled looks like a heavier duty version of the kid's snow sled that I use. If I was dragging something big like a bear I would get one of those.
What about carrying in a single wheel, axle, and some type of drill or screw in step/bowholder, saw blade, and plastic zip ties. When you kill one, use the saw to cut two limbs or sapplings long enough and sturdy to make a cart. Bore a hole through each one and insert the axle with the wheel between the two poles. Use the zip ties to attach the stand in the middle for strength and carcass platform, even add a LW stick where necessary. Load the deer, tie it on, and off you go wheelbarrow style, pulling would probably work better than pushing. In my mind it resembles a one wheeled Bob's bike trailer.
I promise it makes sense in my head :bigsmyl:
Find the pic posted by frankwright ? on the 3rd page. Two guys with a single wheel cart.
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=120613;p=3
str8jct, that is exactly why I posted here, ideas like that. I did have that in mind too. I think instead of boring a hole (elim the drill), just V-notch the sapling and tie in the axle. It's all about using what you have, we all carry a small limb saw. I like your idea about ziptie in the stand! I do have some very heavy duty zips that would work well. I'm still about two wheels and weight balance myself but this is good stuff and got me thinking of lots of options.
on that thread, look at that pic by VTer... beautiful!
Hey Str8jct, that is exactly what those "mule" game carts looked like. Do you know if those guys built theirs or were they purchased?
SuperK, all I know is the caption says he saw those guys then built his own so I'm not sure of the make on the ones in the pic.
Mark, I don't see why the poles and 2 wheels wouldn't work. As for VTer's set up...If you could weld some type of U bracket to the underside of the stand platform, run an axle thru it to mount wheels, then work up some kind of bracket for a handle to attach when needed. Centering the deer may be problematic though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOfm8nZi5Xk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_1s7tYqW3s
Looks interesting.