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Title: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Caleb the bow breaker on November 14, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
Guys,

I have been worrying about this so I thought I would throw it at the group.  

I harvested a deer on Sat and we werent able to get it home till that evening.  The daytime high was about 60.  That night it got into the low 40s.  I wrapped it in a blanket the next morning because I knew it was going to get a bit warm.  Well Sun it got in the high 60's.  Since then it has gotten very cold and in fact he is currently frozen.  

So anyway, what are your thoughts?  I left the hide on and field dressed it quickly Sat.

C
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: mangonboat on November 14, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
Wish I could say differently, but ideal temp for "aging" venison is 37 degrees for 48 hours with the hide off. At 60 the meat deteriorates quite quickly,and it only slows down in the 40's. I'm aftraid you've got green meat under the hide. Quickest way to be sure is slice a slab of back strap and throw it on a hot greased skillet..if its bad, your nose will tell you in a minute or so as the meat heats up.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: on November 14, 2014, 10:41:00 AM
So, it was 60 on Sat, and high 60's on Sun? I would be a bit afraid of that one, but you never know?

Bisch
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: DoubleLung on November 14, 2014, 10:43:00 AM
We kill deer in September every year where temperatures can get real high 90*+. The key is to get the hide off right away and to not let any cut pieces of meat touch each other. Where they touch it will sour but as long as air gets to it, it will crust over and that crust will buy you some time. Covering it in a blanket may have stopped air flow, tough to say.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on November 14, 2014, 10:56:00 AM
The blanket was a terrible idea and you should of quartered it and put it on ice, at least packed the inside of the carcass with ice would have been better then nothing at all like you did.

Learning how to properly care for the animals either processing them your self or getting them to the butcher quickly should all be planned out before each hunt. Its as big a part of the hunt as the taking of the animal exspeacially if you know the temps are not going to be favorable.     :nono:    

Tracy
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Michael Arnette on November 14, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
Id go for it, you'll know if its bad as you start cutting in.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Izzy on November 14, 2014, 11:05:00 AM
If it doesn't stink its good, if it does stink its not good. I always prepare for the worst possible weather scenario and act accordingly.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Pat B on November 14, 2014, 11:30:00 AM
We used to shoot deer in the swamps of the low country of SC in mid August and never had one go bad. We field dressed them and hung them in a screened shed, out of the sun all day and divide them up after the evening hunt. Everyone on those hunts went home with meat whether they shot a deer or not.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Caleb the bow breaker on November 14, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
Thanks for all the varying inputs.  One this cold breaks and the carcass thaws then I guess I will find out.

C
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: ChuckC on November 14, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
You can get away with a lot, although there is a difference in meat quality (in my mind) between "getting away with" and being prepared for the worst.

I wouldn't throw that deer away just yet.  Process it, get the hide off, cut into the larger cuts and see how they are.  Even if not perfect, you can grind it and use it in chili and stew etc, with spices to flavor it.  Make sure it gets cooked well.

While in Asia and some of Europe, I would see butcher shops with small animal carcasses hanging at ambient temperatures.

CHuckC
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Charlie3 on November 14, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
I'd cut it up and see like some have said.

Deer season starts Sept 1 in WA and the temps are about 65/45, sometimes warmer. I'll immediately field dress, skin and wrap in a sheet, then hang in a garage for 24-36 hours before de-boning and freezing. This has worked well for me. Try doing that in the future after a warm-weather kill.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: wingnut on November 14, 2014, 11:46:00 AM
It probably is OK, but it will be one of those that people will say that they don't like the taste of wild game.  

We did that a lot back in the 60s and the venison was just OK.  I learned to get it cold ASAP since then and have had great venison for the table.

Mike
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: hickstick on November 14, 2014, 11:48:00 AM
we in North America are obsessed with refrigeration...other cultures leave food out at seemingly crazy temperatures without issue.

personally I would have pulled the hide and quartered it and gotten in on ice or in a frig, but thats just me.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Stone Knife on November 14, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
I wouldn't eat it.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Etter on November 14, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
It will be just fine.  Here in GA, we have more than once left deer out overnight due to sketchy blood trails in September.  Lows might be in the 70s and those deer were ungutted.  They were always fine.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Krex1010 on November 14, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
As was mentioned let your nose be the judge. In the future if you're dealing with cool nights and warm days, and you can't butcher the deer right away, get the hide off ASAP, quarter the deer if possible and hang the quarters hoof side up to help drainage. Temp is most important, and moisture control is next. Get he heat out of the meat and promote good airflow. The cool nights are your friend, and when the morning comes protect the meat from sun exposure while still keeping it dry. If you must wrap it, use a breathable fabric like cheesecloth. This has worked for me when I get a deer in mild temps and cannot process for a day or two.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: jrchambers on November 14, 2014, 01:42:00 PM
air flow is key. if you could have hung it skinned and in a breeze all evening and night while it was cold you probably could get a skin to form,  once that happens if you keep it dry and in the shade it should last a few days with the temps reaching the 60s.  im willing to bet if you left it in the shade that most of the meat will still be good.  you probably will have to trim some color off.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: jrchambers on November 14, 2014, 01:44:00 PM
I just got back from Kodiak and had the first couple deer of the trip hang for 2 weeks unfrozen.  the temps were in the mid 40s to high 30s.  under that black skin is nothing but soft wonderfull smelling meals.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: mangonboat on November 14, 2014, 01:48:00 PM
Here is a link to a good general guide to care of venison from Penn State University.  http://extension.psu.edu/food/safety/educators/fact-sheets-brochures-books/game-meats/proper-care-and-handling-of-venison-from-field-to-table.  The only thing I would add is that hide is sometimes left on the carcass or quarters to keep them clean during transport or to keep flies off the meat, but air circulation is key to cooling.  Elk hunters frequently skin but then use canvas bags designed specifically for transporting elk quarters. Wrapping your DRY skinned carcass or quarters in cheesecloth is also effective in keeping dirt off while allowing air circulation. If you're in the bush, a heavy sprinkling of course ground black pepper or coffee on the outside of the cheesecloth helps keep flies at bay.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: John Scifres on November 14, 2014, 02:01:00 PM
The smeller is the teller.  Bad meat smells bad.  I bet it will be fine.  How big of a deer was it?  Did you hang it?  Was it fully cooled to 40's before you added the blanket?
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Caleb the bow breaker on November 14, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
John,

yes I believe it was fully cooled and that is why I added the blanket.  It was an effort to keep the meat cool as the day warmed up.

C
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: KyStickbow on November 14, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
I always try and skin and debone as quick as possible...then get on ice or in the fridge. Im not saying its bad....but I get a little particular about that sort of thing....so I would discard the meat. But again...that is just me.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on November 14, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
Is the hide still on it? or did you skin it the same day?.... NEVER use a blanket... use bed sheets or deer bags that the air can flow though. AFTER it's skinned.

The nose knows if it's ok.... aged meat smells like aged meat. It it turns bad, you'll know it.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: sweeney3 on November 14, 2014, 04:23:00 PM
Crock pot it all for twelve hours.  If you still get sick you know it was bad and you learned your lesson.  If you don't get sick, you ruined a good deer by crock potting it all and you learned your lesson.  Either way...  ;)
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: LB_hntr on November 14, 2014, 04:46:00 PM
I think you will be just fine. I believe most of the posts are a good way to handle meat. But in back country hunting ice, coolers, etc are not often available. A lot of animals are killed on 60 degree temps and kept for 5-7 days. When I kill an animal it hangs in my garage with the his hide on for 5-7 days and sometimes the day time temp is above 50. Meat holds temp very well and if you cooled it down that night and put a blanket on it it will be perfect. (Great thing to do by the way with the blanket. I have twice killed deer on 80 degree temps and cooled them in a creek then stuffed into my sleeping bag to stay cool).
Process the deer, you will know if its bad. But I'm strongly guessing you are all good.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: bamboo on November 14, 2014, 05:30:00 PM
eat it--its fine
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Looper on November 14, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
Like some others said, let your nose be your guide.
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Guru on November 14, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
I'll say as long as it wasn't in the sun...chances are it should be fine...

Cade shot a buck Saturday as well, we cut it up last night after it hung in my dads barn since Saturday. It was just fine...It stays cool in there.

Was it ideal, probably not....but the meat was perfect!
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: don kauss on November 14, 2014, 07:11:00 PM
You owe it to the animal to make every effort to utilize the meat...that said, you'll know if it's not good...
whenever you question the temperature, get the hide off...
I suspect that the meat will be fine...
Title: Re: So did I let my deer get too hot???
Post by: Roger Norris on November 14, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
It will be fine. We have hung deer for 10 day's or more. ...it's fine