anyone have tips that makes getting a ladder stand (commercial) up easier
Sat I moved my stand and by the time I was done...I was done!
Got to be an easier way
I was wondering about a section at a time?
anyone do this?
There are commercially available winch & lever/anchor setups that significantly help. However, they cost $ and I've found that additional man power is the best bet.
Bring a climber and hang a pulley and rope above the setup and just pull it up. Takes all the "top heaviness" out of it. If we can, we also pull them up with 4-wheeler with the pulley system. That's almost cheating! :bigsmyl:
Two or three people is best, but not always available. When on my own, I use a block and tackle system sold for hanging deer. Put a loop around the tree as high as you can and attach there and about 2/3rds up the ladder It really helps. Lightweight, quiet, easy and cheap.
I can walk the basic models up myself, but the taller full platform models that I like overgross me.
A second person to anchor the legs is almost mandatory to do it safely. In some cases if there happens to be a fallen tree trunk in the right position I've used it to wedge the legs under and keep them from sliding as I walk the stand up. The pulley and rope seems like it would be good as well, but a lot of work and extra gear needed to do it.
When it comes down to it, I love hunting from a ladder once it's up, but I hate setting and moving them!
Ladders have another unique and hidden issue. Now that you got it leaning up against the tree, you need to climb up to the top to secure it with its built in (or added) strap. There are ways to do this more safely. . lets hear them.
ChuckC
I have a couple of ladder stands but don't use them too much. However, in setting them by myself, I usually set the ladder at the base of the tree and walk the ladder up from the seat end. Depending upon how tall it is, determines how much weight and how difficult this can become. Having additional help will be much more beneficial but it can be done alone.
As I get older, safety is a bigger priority than when I was younger and more bullet-proof.
Good luck.
chuckc
I always use ropes to help secure the stand until I get to the top to ratchet it to the tree.
Also mine came with a mid support bar (that helps some)
Still a little un-nerving when climbing up
Ive had some hairy moments in the last 2 years doing this.
I guess turning another year older this week dont help!
QuoteOriginally posted by ChuckC:
Ladders have another unique and hidden issue. Now that you got it leaning up against the tree, you need to climb up to the top to secure it with its built in (or added) strap. There are ways to do this more safely. . lets hear them.
ChuckC
2 long ropes attached at the top of the stand, one on each side. Once the stand is up on the tree I take those ropes and cross them behind the tree and then back around and tie off to the ladder. Then attach the middle bar to the tree and climb up and ratchet them down. It's pretty darn stable doing it like this.
I do 2 things to secure the ladder before I go up to attach the ratchet strap. First, most stands come with a couple ropes that go from the top of the stand, around the tree and then tie lower down on the ladder. I bring these around criscrossed and tighten them down with a trucker hitch. Get them pretty tight. Next is the stablizer bar. Get it in place solid to the tree and then run another rope from the ladder, around the trunk and back to the ladder. Anchor with a trucker hitch and pull it tight. These two steps hold the stand to the tree pretty well. Also be sure the bottom of the ladder is well seated into the ground.
QuoteOriginally posted by Brad Arnett:
QuoteOriginally posted by ChuckC:
Ladders have another unique and hidden issue. Now that you got it leaning up against the tree, you need to climb up to the top to secure it with its built in (or added) strap. There are ways to do this more safely. . lets hear them.
ChuckC
2 long ropes attached at the top of the stand, one on each side. Once the stand is up on the tree I take those ropes and cross them behind the tree and then back around and tie off to the ladder. Then attach the middle bar to the tree and climb up and ratchet them down. It's pretty darn stable doing it like this. [/b]
Yep
a ratchet strap from the ladder, around the tree and back to the ladder also holds the stands pretty tight against the support bar until you can shimmy up and fasten the strap at the top.
C
I've done this many times with 15 footers. Assemble the stand and as you walk it up at the base of the tree the base will push into the ground. By the time you get it up far enough for the top to be heavier than the bottom it is in the ground enough to not flip over. Get the top against the tree and lift the stand up enough to pull the bottom out away from the base. If I I have another short section I will lean it against the tree and raise the stand up myself while I use my body to position the last section. You have to make sure that the second section doesn't get clogged with dirt if you can help it. After you get it against the tree you add the support bar and then climb carefully up and attach the ratchet to the top. With my son at college I have had to do this 4 times this year. 3 of those times had extra 3 foot sections at the bottom of a 15 foot ladders stand. Never really had a problem doing it.
A couple plastic tent stakes and a piece of limb will hold the legs while you walk the stand up into position. Stakes are light weight and pieces of wood are everywhere in the woods.
QuoteOriginally posted by Whip:
A second person to anchor the legs is almost mandatory to do it safely. In some cases if there happens to be a fallen tree trunk in the right position I've used it to wedge the legs under and keep them from sliding as I walk the stand up.
Items like the Tree Stand Up can take care of that problem.
I took a couple of pieces of thin pipe big enough to slip over the bottom ladder legs & cut angle iron pointed stakes, joined the pipe & angle w/a bolt & locknut @ the bottom of the pipe so they pivot. Slide the pipes on the ladder legs, stomp the angle iron stakes in the ground, then walk the ladder/stand up. The ladder won't slide ahead of you or tip up. Quick & easy setup by yourself.
It sounds like overkill, but I feel most comfortable using a 24 ' aluminum extension ladder with a "V" bolt-on adapter at the top, designed for use on poles and trees. It works well when setting up lock-on stands and climbing sticks, using that ladder to put my block in place if there's a cooperative limb or other location to secure it. Even if I have to walk the stand up , with help, I stand on the extension ladder while I secure my ladder stand to the tree at the top. The first thing I do once I get the extension ladder in place is secure it at the top to the tree.
I wouldn't call a ladder overkill. I've thought of it too and it's probably the safest way to do the job. I'm just trying to limit how much stuff I have to haul into the woods to get a stand up. I like hunting from ladder stands and use them more each year, but I hate hauling them in and out of the woods. Anymore I have to load them on my deer cart (another "getting old" device). :D
The easiest way to get them set up usually involves beer and pizza.
;)
Although it takes an extra trip from the truck to the woods, I too use an aluminum extension ladder to come up behind the stand and cinch down a ratchet strap at the v-bar and another from the back of the platform. Redundant perhaps, but along with the stabilizer bar makes a real solid setup. Another item that assists in a solo set up are Ameristep ladder stand levelers which universal fit square tubes. I drive a metal tent stake through each one and I walk a 16' stand up a tree without any kicking out.
Walking them up is not so much the problem, but crawling up and strapping it to the tree without help can be a real adventure. :thumbsup: :campfire:
Brad Arnett and Fletcher have outlined the most efficient and acceptably safe way if you are by yourself.
Crossing ropes used with mid support bar works just fine.
I'm not that strong, but a 15 footer isn't that tough.
I've done 20s alone and this is a real chore.
Use common sense to pick a good tree first if possible.
I just made sure one of my children was a boy so I would have help to do the heavy lifting. But, a rope over a limb is usually enough to get it up when the son is not around.
I have found that if I take a section out of my 16 ft ladder and turn it into a 10 to 12 footer it goes up without a hitch. 16 foot is just to awkward for one person. I always anchor at the top and in the middle with ratchet straps. Anchor the middle first and then anchor the top. I realize that there are some advantages to the taller ladders but, where I hunt, the 10 to 12 footers work just fine. :thumbsup:
After listening to my dad cuss about wrassling ladder stands around, I think there should be a disclaimer on every ladder stand box that says, "Tractor and bucket not included".
Darren