Hey guys thinking of switching my broad heads out for something new. Been reading to many bad reviews of the G5 montec ss.
I am shooting about 43-45 lbs and arrow length is 27 3/4".
2 Blade or 3 Blade?
Zwickey Eskimo 2-Blade Screw-In Broadheads seem cheap but I would like something that flies really well like the Montecs do. I mean those suckers are like I have field points on.
200-220 grains is what I am looking for but I can add inserts.
The Eskimo have killed tons of deer, they are cheaper than a lot of heads and made well. I also shoot the Magnus 1's and have had good results with them.
There are a bunch of great 2 blade heads out there.
If you like how the Montecs fly you could switch to Magnus Snuffer screw-ins, or Woodsman broadheads. Similar style heads but much better heads length to width ratio wise for the money vs Montec and easier to sharpen. If two blade is your thing Magnus Stinger, Magnus Buzzcut, or STOS 2-blade are all good fliers and have a stellar rep.
NAP Hellrazors are very similar to what you are shooting and they take and hold a much better edge. I shoot Razorcaps which are no longer made and the Hellrazors are made of the same steel. Very tough, very sharp, shoot straight and really hold a nice edge.
Many great choices available.
A VPA Penetrator would be my personal pick for the setup type which you have mentioned.
I don't pay much attention to all the hoopla about broadheads. Essentially, if a head is strong enough to hold together when striking bone, is sharp enough to penetrate and cut cleanly, and flies well from the particular bow in use, it is sufficient. I have used Razorheads, Zwickey, and Magnus, and all are simple heads that kill a deer if you hit him where you are supposed to. Most of us choose a head out of personal preference, and we may be heavily influenced by what "they" say. At least on whitetails, I don't think it makes any real difference. On larger and tougher game the situation may change, and subtle differences make become more significant. However, I don't think the Indians knapped specialized points to use on varying types of animals. In short, use the point that you have confidence in. If the Montecs are doing it for you, why bother with all the rest of the reports you read? Granted, I am not technologically interested, but for most situations, simplicity works just fine.
With your poundage my choice would be a 2 blade. All my bows are 50lbs and I prefer a 2 blade for penetration reasons.
I look at the two blades and can only think that they effect arrow flight. Is that a real issue or no. I really do like the way the montecs fly I just don't like hearing all about the lack of blood trail and what not. I am positive if I sat down with them for awhile I could get them like razors if need be, but if a two blade will fly the same, cost less, get more penetration, and sharpens easier then its worth spending a little more money to buy different heads.
Given your poundage, I too would go with the Zwickey. I am shooting the Eskilites with an insert and they run `145 grains.
I have tried them at different positions in relation to the fletching and not any issues so far as flight.
However, I still turn them so that they are horizontal when on the bow. It makes me feel better to see the broadhead aligned the same way on every shot. And that nasty edge is away from my fingers.
That is a lot of head weight for such a bow. I went a different route and just went back to aluminum to keep my arrow weight up. With the 145 head, my arrows are running just over 505 grains.
zwickey is my preferred 2 blade broadhead also. I just switched this year to Magnus Snuffer on my woodies...
I like the Zwickey & the Magnus, I think they are both good BHs.
There are others out there too.
Given your draw weight/length I'd stick with a 2 blade. Since you want something 200 plus grains I'd go with a Grizzly.
I have some 125 grain hellrazors in the classifieds :bigsmyl:
I'd try Magnus Stinger 2 blades. Similar in weight to the montec and they should fly great. You won't have to worry about penetration either.
Bad broadhead flight is almost always a magnified symptom of another tuning issue. I wouldn't worry about flight when choosing a new head 2 or 3 blade. I would choose a good 2 bld., make sure it is well tuned and you will be fine.
I would pick Ace express or Stos for that setup.
QuoteOriginally posted by freedomhunter:
Hey guys thinking of switching my broad heads out for something new. Been reading to many bad reviews of the G5 montec ss.
I am shooting about 43-45 lbs and arrow length is 27 3/4".
2 Blade or 3 Blade?
Zwickey Eskimo 2-Blade Screw-In Broadheads seem cheap but I would like something that flies really well like the Montecs do. I mean those suckers are like I have field points on.
200-220 grains is what I am looking for but I can add inserts.
Especially at that poundage, I would use any quality 3:1 ratio 2 blade head. try Grizzly or Tuff Head.
I have been very happy with the 200 gr Kodiak by grizzly. I might try the tuffheads this next season.
For a srew-on in the 125 range I would pick a Magnus Stinger and never look back. If your looking for something in the 200+ weight that I'd look at the Stos and use a steel adapter..
Woodsmans
Robert- If you like everything about your Montecs, I agree with Bill, get the NAP Hellrazors. Our local archery shop recommended them and you can get them scary sharp, much better than Montecs. I bought my son some and they are wicked sharp with a little touch-up, fly awesome, and quiet. It should be an easy transition for you. I use Woodsman and have had great luck with them, trying the new RMS Cutthroat 160 grain single bevel for something different!
Thanks all for the advice, I will let you know what I choose once I can save up some more cash. Took my wife to get her B-day gift today so now the broad heads will have to wait a week or two. I purchased the Gold tip inserts with my arrows which shoot good with that weight up front. 2 blades get better penetration?
Also if I go with Zwickey's they are 11/32 and my shafts are 5/16 does that matter at all?
Yes, according to most studies I have seen, two blades reign for penetration. From what I have read, it seems that single bevels are supposed to leave better wound channels thus leaving better blood trails. That is why I am going to try them, to see if the compare to a three blade blood trail.
QuoteOriginally posted by freedomhunter:
Also if I go with Zwickey's they are 11/32 and my shafts are 5/16 does that matter at all?
Not really. I feel the shaft fitting all the way inside the ferrule actually makes the junction stronger. I've shot 11/32 heads on 5/16 shafts many times and it works just fine.
Slick tricks!!!! Take two blades out of the xbow tricks! 150 grain, and sharper then a straight razor! I shoot 47 lbs an at 20 yards it will pass thru both shoulders on a deer! Its crazy how sharp they are!
QuoteOriginally posted by freedomhunter:
Also if I go with Zwickey's they are 11/32 and my shafts are 5/16 does that matter at all?
That is what you want, a ferrule size on the broadhead that is bigger than the arrow shaft. When the head cuts/punches a hole, if that hole is bigger than the arrow shaft it will slide thru easier increasing penetration... especially when hitting bone
what is your total arrow weight. A "200 to 220 gr" broadhead is a lot to expect from a 43# engine unless the shaft is pretty light.
I'd stick with a double edge like a STOS or Zwickey.
7.8 grains per inch 27 3/4" shaft with 11 grain insert I believe.
"7.8 grains per inch"
That's a new one on me. I like a minimum of 11 grains of arrow weight per pound of draw at your draw length.
That would be a 495 gr arrow for you.
My hunting set-up this season is a 610 gr arrow (125 gr head on a 30.5" BOP D.fir shaft) out of a 50# bow; or 12.2 gr per pound. 20.33 grains per inch.
You mentioned and others some great 2 blade broad heads. I have Zwickey, Magmus with great success. But my go to broad head these days is Bill's new and improved Grizzly broad heads. I have know problems getting them to fly at any fps.
Stumpkiller,
Yeah bud I wish I could be more help really new to figuring this out but my arrows are the Gold Tip Traditional Hunter .600 and says Grains per inch 7.8
Yeah. I see the problem. It does say 7.8 gr/in. The "traditional" hunters using those shafts in the 1950's and 1960's probably had a hard time getting their shafts up to hunting weight for good penetration. Maybe a 400 gr broadhead? Or a 50" arrow shaft?