I got a tuesday two'fer for you guys.
1. If you shoot split why? Are there any advantages on paper to shooting split?
2. Do any of you who shoot split shoot Hill style with the arrow nock over the string nock? If so why?
I have just been wondering these things.... ;)
I shoot split because I always have and it's comfortable. On paper it's better because if I tried to shoot 3under I'd have to learn how and re-tune bows and arrows.
I shoot split. I don't paper tune. I use two tied on nocking points. It simply works for me.
On some of my Hills I do shoot one tied on nock. I shoot over the nocking point. I have read and been told the arrow can slide down upon release if nocked below. Can't prove it, but when I do shoot Hills and nock over only, it works for me. I get less if not zero porpoising with nocking over and double nocking. If I see porpoising, I know I need a string nock adjustment.
I shoot split. Always have and always will as it works with no problems for me. I use one nock and nock my arrow below. My second finger holds the arrow against the nock and there is no slippage.
I anchor with my center finger on my top jaw between my eye tooth and the next one back , split finger so basically if I would shoot three under with my index finger in the corner of my mouth the nock of the arrow would be close to the same position. Also if I try to raise three under and gun barrel my glasses get in the way. I also use two nocking pts. on my string cause I worry that my arrow will slide up and fall off. It's cold here in Wisconsin and I don't always hold my bow. Learned the "Hard way" when I used to use one nock pt. below for a fast second arrow and dropped a few. You need to do what works for you but with in eye on the archers of old for they had some good ideas for their style of hunting.
I shoot split. I have never been comfortable shooting three-under, though I have tried it. If I were to go shoot targets and needed to use a gapping system in order to compete, I would shoot 3-under, but I do just fine without a conscious aiming system out to 25 yards, and it's much simpler. I started shooting trad to get away from all the target shooting, so this works for me. There is no doubt that 3-under is the way to go if you want to compete and shoot good scores. I just don't do that anymore.
I shoot split finger because it is just more comfortable as well. I do not paper tune. Since I make my own arrows it is easier for me to tune/match my arrows to the bow I'm shooting.
I always nock my arrow above the string nock because that was the way I was taught.
I keep everything consistent, comfortable, and enjoyable to shoot. I find this a huge advantage.
I shoot split finger I do tie on nocks over and under.
Never shoot through paper. I've messed around with 3 under I can shoot that way but split is just for me
I shoot split because that's the way I was taught 40 + years ago. I like the control I get having a finger on each side of the arrow. I also have wrapped nocks on both sides of the arrow when hunting; added security when things can go wrong.
I've used 3 under and it works fine (it can be extremely accurate) although there can be nuances with tuning and sound off the arrow rest. When done right, it is awesome. My brother shoots three under miserably, he rarely has good arrow flight and his bow is always loud...I can't offer him advice.
Bows should specifically be tillered for three under. Three under places the arrow directly under your eye, so you can sight down the length of it (shot gunning) to aim (non instinctively). Gene Wensel shoots three under I believe.
I've nocked my arrows on top of the string nock and it works fine. It is primarily done when used with a back quiver for "speed loading". A John Schulz/ Howard Hill thing.
No cost in trying anything different...it's all learning.
Kris
Started shooting spit in 1956. I've tried 3 under and didn't feel comfortable or natural for me. I tie dental floss above and below the nocking point.....fresh dental floss works best :D
split for me with a brass nock above the arrow
Shot split from 1955. All of my bows are quieter and I anchor as high as the 3 under shooters putting their first finger in the corner of their mouths, at least the arrow is in the same place on the face. I don't paper tune and have no idea why people are even commenting on that one. I have two nocking points.
Split is superior for me shooting running and flying game.
I shoot split with a tie nock above and below.
Split - tied on nock above and below
QuoteI don't paper tune and have no idea why people are even commenting on that one.
I think it was a misunderstanding to the second half of question 1. :thumbsup:
I shoot split because I was taught to shoot that way in 1969. I have never found it necessary to sight down the arrow shaft which many 3 under shooters do. I use a tie on nock, and nock below the nock. By nocking below the nock, the weight of the arrow point(field or broadhead) forces the nock up against the nocking point and the arrow does not fall off the string. This method offers much better balance and control. :archer:
I shoot split because I have more control of the arrow. Works best when you need a quick shot such as at a running rabbit. I place the arrow on top of the nock because it's easier to load a second arrow on the string from a back quiver if you nock on top. If I didn't hunt a lot of small game, I would probably shoot three under because I think it is a little more accurate.
Split, nock below with either one or two points.
I shoot split because that is the way I learned years ago. I have tried 3-under a couple times and did not like the results........or the noise. Also, I have my nock point above my arrow.
Bisch
I have totally noticed how 3 under seems noisy. I am told when listening to me shoot that it sounds the same. But to me it sure sounds louder when I shoot.
It seems like it would be quieter as there is no contact to the arrow. Why's it louder?
Split for me also. The way I learned as a kid. On a Hill style longbow, I shoot one nocking point locator under the nock. On a recurve, I use two nock point locators, one above and one below. I shoot an arrow rest on a recurve and off the shelf on longbows. I only use tie on nocking point locators out of #4 serving and lots of wax. :thumbsup:
I've shot 3U for the last 23 years. Been good on all facets from targets to stationary and moving game to include flying.......but I have fought left flyers for a long time and my releaese and form are way better split so I am trying to get the elevation down split.
It's going well and I'm gonna stick with it this time and just engrain it
I shoot split for the same reason as most others here, because that's how I was taught. It has worked great fot me, arrow under the nock and I anchor with my middle finger in the corner of my mouth.
I was taught that way but I did try split for a while. It was OK..pretty accurate for shorter distances. Never did shoot nock under though..never saw a reason to. I went back to split because it just feels better
I shoot split, arrow under knock point. I shoot a maddog hill style longbow as my #1 my back up bow is a bear super kodiak. I shoot it the same way. I tried 3under but could not aim the same. I just look at what I want to hit , draw , an shoot. Kinda like throwing a baseball. 3under had me way off.
Me,just always have since 1967
I shoot split as well for the reasons already mentioned. Mostly, just more control over the arrow. I've shot nocking the arrow above the nock point, like Hill did. Works fine, but the arrow can slip on the string. Can do that if one nocks under the nock as well using only one nocking point. That's why I use two. I spend a lot of time on stand, and if the arrow were nocked above the nocking point, it would be falling off the bow a lot. If it's nocked below the nocking point, or with a nocking point above and below it, it's held in place by the extra weight of the shaft that protrudes beyond the back of the bow.
Split finger or split vision? Oh.
I shoot split finger. It is what I was taught 40 years ago. I tried three under and it feels so completely foreign and wrong that I went back to the "right" way to shoot, split finger.
Arrow under the nock. When I got back into shooting a bow as an adult, that's what I was taught was "right".
homebru ;-)
Love split. Tried 3under for a bit early on but just don't like it as much. With split I feel more in control of the bow and arrow and it also yields me better accuracy with my method of aiming. It just feels right. I usually use on nock point above the nock or two nock points.
Back in the day 3under was for target shooters,split
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Lots of threads on this topic in the archives.
Split, one tie nock above arrow
Split just because that's how I did it back when I was a teen. But I still have 1 above and one below.
Split, for the same reasons already mentioned, just how I learned and what feels right. Tried 3 Under, didn't care for it. Nock point above and below, just cause.
The other reason I shoot split finger is because Bisch does! :goldtooth:
LD
I've always shot split, I tried to shoot 3 under a few times but have never been very comfortable with it.
As far as my nock locator, I have for years done tied on above & below.
I shoot split, it gives me the option of a reverse cant if needed. Versatility.
I shoot split, usually with a brass nock above the arrow, though I like to let the string stretch through a couple of sessions before I install it. I don't paper tune. I've shot split since I was 9 and someone showed it to me as an alternative to pinching the string between my thumb and index finger. I tried three under once in my teens but did not like the feeling (perceived less control, and mismatch with the bow's tiller.)
3 under. Tried split but WAY too much pinch. Feels like the arrow moves around on the string and shelf when released. I shoot a 62". Below the nock point. I've always wondered why people say 3 under is for target shooters??? I'm new to the game, but don't see why one would be for target shooting and one type for hunting? If it works, it works!
I shoot split because that's how I was taught when I started , I use two nocking points of dental floss ( from my target shooting days ) I try 3under now & then just to prove to my friend I can't get on with it ( he's deadly that way ) but I'll stick with split .
John
Split as well, nocks tied on above and below and bareshaft tune.
I shoot split (to include my Hill style Vixen). One single nock crimp above arrow. I shoot split mainly because I always have and I feel more in control of the arrow but thats just me. I did try 3 under and while I was consistent with it my shot was always low. Switching to Hill style I shot low at first due to the arrow rest being so close to my hand, but I quickly adapted to that. The 3U thing I did not adapt to. Additionally, 3U was loud to me. I like quiet - my arrow wont outrun an animal ducking it so silence is my best friend. There's merit to the arrow being close to your eye, but it isn't for me.
I shoot split because, as many others have said, that's how I learned.
I also like a speed/Mercury/non-snap arrow nock (anchored below the string nock point) for speed, silent string release and consistency and you can't control one with three under.
Split, because back in 1957, that's how the indians did it on TV, or at least that's what I saw.
I shoot split because it seems comfy. no other reason I guess.
I shot split when I was a kid, but when I took an archery class in college the instructor recommended 3 under which I learned to shoot very well. In the 90s I went to shoot at the Texas Longbow Championships and they required split finger. I trained myself to shoot split for the tournament and never went back. When I shot 3 under I nocked under the nock point. Now I shoot over the nock point.
I used to shoot 3U for over a year. I got really good with it when I shot my 68" longbows. Now when I primarily shoot recurves I found out that tuning and bow silencing is MUCH easier with split. It took me 2 days to get comfortable with the change so not so big deal after all. First 50 shots were ankward but now it feels like I had always shot split. Even with long recurves like 62" Martin Hunter the noise was almost impossible to eliminate 3U style
Anyone have any idea why 3 under makes so much noise?
Isn't noise an indication that it is not as smooth of a release?
I shoot split because it feels solid at my anchor.
QuoteOriginally posted by snowplow:
Anyone have any idea why 3 under makes so much noise?
Isn't noise an indication that it is not as smooth of a release?
Limb timing. That's why some bows are tillered for three under.
I shoot split mainly for the noise factor. (shot the buck in my avatar 3 under, so it's likely not much of a factor!).
Technically I shoot 2-fingers under because my lazy index finger lifts itself off the string as I draw.
I nock under because since my arrow nock is about 1/2" above the 90 degree line of my string, I figure it would be easy for an arrow nock, unless it was a too tight of a fit, would have a tendency to slide up my string if I nocked my arrows on top of the nocking point.
Works for me... :archer:
I am really similar to you Todd Smith. My finger lays against the string but does almost nothing. I actually cut the index finger off my favorite glove to try but it was too much. I settled with it being cut back about 1/2-3/4 from the tip. That gives me just a tiny bit of protection and I still get to use my pointer finger.
"Anyone have any idea why 3 under makes so much noise?"
It's the limb timing as Mike already said. I could almost hear two separate snaps when shooting 3U with RC. Maybe my form wasn't perfect but for me it made a huge difference when I placed one finger over the arrow nock. Also the nock seems to stay in place better in full draw when it's between two drawing fingers.
I shoot 3 under because I am a lot more accurate. When I switched from split to 3 under my scores jump up a bunch. The only shot I can't make shooting this way is with a severe reverse can't like shooting on my back. Also if you watch a lot of split shooters you will see that they put a bend in the arrow from finger pinch. Especially with a shorter bow.
I also shoot with a tab as it has less surface on the string an I get a cleaner release.
I actually started out 3 under and with my current bow I switched to split. My bow was just super noisy with 3 under and my arrow flight was fishtailing bad, even with varying spines. Out of desperation I tried split finger and like magic, the noise went w-a-y down and the arrows that I couldnt get to fly worth a darn suddenly started flying like lazers. Took me most of the summer to get in the "groove" of shooting split, but now it's like 2nd nature.