Let me preface this by saying, this is not a "tab is better than glove" topic... I know guys that will out shoot me day in and out with a glove. These threads that I post are just information on how and why I make decisions for my bowhunting applications.
Let's begin on how I prefer my tabs.
Size - I always start with the smallest tab that will fit my hands. I'll usually gage this by placing my three fingers together and using that as my guide to the "height" of the tab.
Cordovan - Slick release, tough, thick and pliable. So far, the material has been slick enough to where it hasn't affected my tuning. It's tough enough in which I'll end up losing the tab before actually having to replace it. It's just the right amount in thickness. I can shoot my desired bow weights and my back/shoulders will fatigue before my fingers/joints hurt. Finally it's pliable enough for it to fit well in my hands.
Customize - With any brand new tab, I remove certain things and trim to fit. For this tab, I removed the felt that goes between your pointer finger and nock and I also cut the rubber layer, because they end up cracking and breaking eventually. Then, I'll shave all the sharp edges as I tend to drag the tab on my face upon release. Those sharp edges have cut into my face after repeated shooting. Then, I'll every so carefully trim the cordovan and secondary layer. This takes time. I'll cut mine so that I get enough protection upon the release. If you cut it too short the string will nip the end of your fingertips.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab1.jpg)
I took my cavalier and added solid cordovan leather and a button glued to the corner that I use as a reference anchor.
What other cordovan tabs have you tried and liked. I just began shooting a black widow tab and really like it, but like the look of some of the Bateman tabs.
So now for why...
I can use a thick layer for protection, while still having the dexterity of my fingers.
I can feel my multiple anchors on my face better.
I have a really deep hook and because my hands are small I have a hard time finding a glove where the protection goes to my second knuckle.
For the type of tab that I'm using, the shelf of the tab sits nicely under my string nock, which I can repeat every time.
At first when I switched from a glove, I thought I would lose my tabs. But with this style, I just spin them around and wear them like a ring when not in use.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab10.jpg)
Here's what the tab looks like in my hand.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab2.jpg)
When I first get my tabs, I actually squeeze the heck out of them, so they form to my hand.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab3.jpg)
My deep hook
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab6.jpg)
When not in use, I'll just wear it like a ring.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab7.jpg)
Here's what it looks like on my face. To me, it feels less bulky and I can really get a feel for my anchor points on my face. I like getting the string/arrow as close to my face/under my eye as possible.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab8.jpg)
A different angle. I can really feel that pointer finger in the corner of my mouth.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/tab9.jpg)
QuoteOriginally posted by BaldingEagle:
What other cordovan tabs have you tried and liked. I just began shooting a black widow tab and really like it, but like the look of some of the Bateman tabs.
I tried W&W, Bateman, and AAE. For me, the widow tab just "fits" the best in my hand. "It fits like a glove" :knothead: LOL! :D just kidding...
Only problem...... They stopped making them!!!!!!
I love the Eichler cordovan. Took me a week to get used to it but don't think I'll ever be able to wear one out. Bought 3 extras just to be safe !
That is a serious deep hook. I may try that. I ordered my Bateman direct. It's very nice. Always wanted to try the black widow.
QuoteOriginally posted by Biathlonman:
I love the Eichler cordovan. Took me a week to get used to it but don't think I'll ever be able to wear one out. Bought 3 extras just to be safe !
If it's good enough for Fred! ;)
QuoteOriginally posted by RedShaft:
That is a serious deep hook. I may try that. I ordered my Bateman direct. It's very nice. Always wanted to try the black widow.
Crazy huh???? You would think it would affect my tuning, but if anything, it has given me great control over my shot. Another great tip that I picked up from Rod Jenkins! I 've learned so much from that guy!!!!
Rod also has a signature cordovan tab.
http://www.safarituff.com/rodjenkinssignaturetab.html
Ryan,the Black Widow tab I use is almost customized like yours but it is a split fingers
"Great minds........." Felix! ;)
The only downside I have ever had with a cordovan tab is the occasional complaint by a whiny horse lover. I have been using the Fred Eichler Bateman tab for awhile and it is tops.
Cordovan tabs seem more durable than the horsehair style. The last horsehair tab I had wore out in a couple of months. The generic cordovan tab I replaced it with has been in use for a year now and does not really show that much wear.
How do you release from such a deep hook? Do you just pull through or just release?
I use the Black Widow as well but split finger. Once a long time ago I tried three under and bought a BW 3under tab that had a white plastic piece on top edge to protect finger. I wonder why they stopped making them that way.
Those finger fenders are a pain but I have an issue trying to go without. An old injury to my first finger makes me use them. Otherwise lots of pain on side where nock contacts finger.
I agree, lose more BW tabs than wear out.
I have a Bateman cordovan split finger that I used for years and years, no sign of wearing out. I just never got into the glove although I started out with it.
Customizing ones tab is very important. I have always trimmed my tabs to fir my hand and face.
Always wear in a spare just in case something happens to your original
QuoteOriginally posted by Whitetailarcher:
How do you release from such a deep hook? Do you just pull through or just release?
Here's a quick video about my shot sequence. I explain a little about my deep hook.
http://youtu.be/H5x3Iw29joA
I just switched myself from a glove to the Widow Cordovan tab. Pretty awkward at first but really liking it now. I've noticed a crisper release and a quieter bow. I modify mine like Ryan has stated above. On the bowstring, I got rid of the metal nocking point and went with a tie on of D-10, I didn't want the metal nock to cause a tear in the tab being a split finger shooter. I didn't add any glue to the nocking point, I just make sure it gets waxed a couple times a week.
I shoot 3 under and like the Widow tabs too, but my favorite is the Eagles Flight tabs with the "O" ring for your finger. That is really comfy on your finger.
I made myself a couple of the Widow Tabs out of Cordovan that I got from a member here a couple years ago and they work fine. I have also made a few different tab designs to try too. I will find some leather at a rummage sale or flea market and make a few tabs to try.
As for those Safari Tuff tabs, they really look great, but I can tell that I would HATE that string on my finger. I like the velcro strap on the Widow tabs or the "O" ring style. If there were a way to add an "O" ring to that Safari Tuff tab, I'd be there for sure. No doubt about it.
Get you some cordovan and experiment. You'll be amazed at how well you'll like them and how well they'll feel to you. I know I was.
Besides, it's kinda entertaining to make your own gear.
Nalajr
QuoteOriginally posted by Whitetailarcher:
How do you release from such a deep hook? Do you just pull through or just release?
Watching the video it looks like he partially "rolls out" of that deep hook in the draw. I have the same deep hook and roll out, works for me too. Don't think it's necessarily a hand size thing though, I have freakish big hands.
I've grown to love the Neet Traditional tab in cordovan. Very simple but very effective. I've had some good success with the Bateman tab but have not used a BW tab yet.
Nala,
Yeah, I think my next step is to try and build my own.. May be fun to experiment as you mentioned.
I think this was a good tutorial on using a tab and sizing a tab.
My tabs look like Ryan's.
I use a different tab though.
I have used a few different cordovan tabs.
I settled on the Cavalier.It does have a finger spacer.Also a metal plate.The plate is nice.The string sits consistantly right in front of the plate top to bottom.It also draws down really tight on the middle finger for a tight fit.
I put most most of the pressure on the middle finger when drawing.It carries most of the load of the bows poundage.
I use a deep hook as well.I like the strength of the deep hook and its easier on the ligaments and tendons of the string hand.
Having the fingers exposed at the tips is the best way to have a precise anchor.Whether at the corner of the mouth or along a tooth.
"How do you release with such a deep hook.Do you just pull through or just release."
You should in my opinion pull through the release.It should be dynamic and not static.The string hand should almost form a J shape after the release as it goes back from your anchor.
I wanted to add one more thing that I think is beneficial.It has been for me.The string hand executes well when it is like it would be when just hanging down at your side when relaxing. When beginning your draw if your hand feels like this its a good way to start the draw as you start to engage the right back muscles to execute the draw to anchor.
We are currently making and stocking the Safari Tuff tabs by Rod Jenkins. We may actually get them on our site one day too :)
At this time they are only available in three under, but we are working on a split finger model as i type.
I am planning on selling squares of Cordovan also...if my supplier feels he can keep me stocked for both the tabs and the squares.
thanks,bigjim
QuoteOriginally posted by BigJim:
I am planning on selling squares of Cordovan also...if my supplier feels he can keep me stocked for both the tabs and the squares.
thanks,bigjim
You'd be about the only one in the world doing that! :thumbsup:
That's great news!!! Thanks for keeping us posted Big Jim! :thumbsup:
My tabs look just like Ryan's, been using them for years. I also use the cordovan tab from Eagles Flight with good results. The only difference is I put a lanyard on mine so it's always around my wrist. Haven't lost one since I started doing that!
Ryan, you sure make Traditional Archery look easy. :thumbsup:
I would like to put my name on the list for a couple squares of Cordovan. :shaka:
Ryan informative post. :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by S2 Bowstrings:
Nala,
Yeah, I think my next step is to try and build my own.. May be fun to experiment as you mentioned.
Yeah...try it. I guarantee you that you'll like it. Trying to figure out little changes here and there, different materials to use for a palm "plate" and such...it's all good fun. You also might find that you make one that you like better than all the others too.
I used to glue them together, but now since I live right outside of Houston there are boot repair shops all over the place and I figure they have to have a leather sewing capability so the next ones I make are going to be sewn all around like the BIG GUYS do it. :)
One thing I am trying to figure out before I start back in making them is how I can make a palm plate that will let me attach an "O" ring for my finger and be able to replace it should it break or I want a different size. I haven't came up with a way do attach them yet that I like.
Any suggestions on how?
Thanks all.
Nalajr