- (http://ingur.com/1F7mkig) Not to mention any names but I was told that I must have left this in the sun by a custom bowyer! Actually I did not I have been shooting it in my backyard every night for the last 2 months! Then I was told he had left one on a picnic table on a 50 degree day with half the bow in the sunlight for 15 min and it blew up! Does that mean I should shade my bow on stand if the sun is out! The Bow is 5 yrs old and I loved it! But apparently there is nothing he can do. Sorry to rant but I got 1 day until the opener!!
Wow, sorry to hear that! Especially with 1 day before the opener. Hope you weren't hurt when it gave out.
Now shouldn't delam from 50* temps. Doesn't happen. Over a hundred. Sure. I'm Sad for you my friend. I hope it's not you're only one
Sorry to hear that! Could you post a picture of what happened to the bow? Also, are you the original owner?
A couple years ago there was a statewide trad event with temps in the daytime reaching 106...and I never heard of a single bow blowing. I even had 5-6 of my 50 year old Bears with me...
Sorry your warranty was out, but I would have expected the bowyer would have offered a discount on a new one...but then again, maybe I would not want another. :confused:
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To answer a few questions yes I am the original owner and luckily a few years ago I got interested in classic Bear bows so I got a few to choose from one is a "59er" that I'm a little hesitant to take out but it shoots lights out , she's a beauty! The other one is a 60's Kodiak hunter that I'm really taking a shine to!!
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Did you have a slide on bow quiver over that fadeout area???
QuoteOriginally posted by Blackhawk:
A couple years ago there was a statewide trad event with temps in the daytime reaching 106...and I never heard of a single bow blowing. I even had 5-6 of my 50 year old Bears with me...
Sorry your warranty was out, but I would have expected the bowyer would have offered a discount on a new one...but then again, maybe I would not want another. :confused:
Just terrible. I would have expected some kind of consideration as well. Don't think I'd be buying another one of his.
I shoot and hunt hogs in the Texas summer sun in temps abopve 100 degrees and I've never had a bow delaminate.
If I had a bow delaminate and the bowyer told me that he had a bow delaminate in 50 degree sun I would be looking for another bowyer.
Sometimes bows just break! It always sucks when they do break, but it happens.
I hate it when folks try to pass blame with lame excuses. He could have just told you he was sorry that that happened and that you were out of warranty and there was nothing he could do. He did not have to make up some half baked reason to try to shift the blame on you!
I too live and hunt in the 100+ degree temps in TX, and although I have had a couple bows break over the years, it has had nothing to do with being in the sun!
Bisch
Hmmm! Standard temp for curing bow epoxy is 180 degrees. The only time you delam from heat is if the bow temp approaches that temp while under tension. The delam in the pic was not from tension as that area is non bending. My opinion it is from glue failure unrelated to heat.
Mike
I bought a Bodnik Slick stick from Kustomking. Thirty year warrantee that is transferable to all owners of the bow. All for $290 delivered. Can't beat that.
Hmmm. Looks like that could be reglued. What's the bow length and what's your draw length?
Yes I did have a slide on quiver on the bow. I also agree that a straight answer would have been more appropriate than excuses about the sun considering the only time it was in the sunlight was when I was shooting. Thanks guys!
Bow length is 62" @ 29 1/2 draw 66#.
Just as another possible explanation (not saying this was the case in your bow) but I saw a very popular custom bow maker bow that had a limb break at the point where a slide on selway bow quiver was not pushed all they way up off the working part of the fadeouts. The thought was that this created a fulcrum in the limb instead of at the working part of the riser fadeout. The bow was replaced, but I think wording was added to the bow warranty sheet.
None the less, sorry for your loss.
I had a 50's style recurve that developed a limb twist in it, The bowyer said that my adding a leather grip on it caused the twist....
I know the next time I drop big money on a high performance bow it will probably be a Quarbon Nano with a lifetime warranty. It stings when a limb breaks and you're stuck with a $750 piece of kindling.
Oh man that's rough!! And bad timing.
While I feel for you, it is very difficult for any craftsman to replace something 5 years later when he has no idea whether his product has been properly cared for. Of course I am not saying that you did not care for the bow, just that the bowyer has no way to know that.
I am an insurance agent and I can tell you we would be broke if we believe what all our customers tell us...$$ issues make many a man dishonest.
You would be perfectly reasonable to no longer do business through the bowyer, but I think you cannot be too critical of his decision considering the age of the bow.
Don't know if that bow has a lot of r/d, but if it doesn't, a 29 1/2- inch draw puts a lot of stress on those limbs and the riser. I've found that the heavier the limbs (i.e., draw weight) the more prone to bow breakage.
The trend lately is for folks to want/shoot shorter and shorter bows. And some of those shooters have long draw lengths -- 29-31 inches or more. Some designs can handle that, but a lot of them can't.
Though a lot of guys with your draw length or longer shoot 62-inch bows with no trouble, I think that's pushing the limits with a lot of designs. And, of course, not everyone who hangs out a shingle builds a good bow.
The breakage is unfortunate, but it does happen. Better luck on the next go around.
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Oh man that's rough!! And bad timing.
While I feel for you, it is very difficult for any craftsman to replace something 5 years later when he has no idea whether his product has been properly cared for. Of course I am not saying that you did not care for the bow, just that the bowyer has no way to know that.
I am an insurance agent and I can tell you we would be broke if we believe what all our customers tell us...$$ issues make many a man dishonest.
You would be perfectly reasonable to no longer do business through the bowyer, but I think you cannot be too critical of his decision considering the age of the bow.
I'm not sure the failure of the bow itself or the Bowyer's refusal to fix the bow is the problem here. The problem is the bogus line about being left in the sun. If you just can't fix it under warranty because it's 5yrs old, then just say that.
These things don't typically happen. Would have thought the builder would have at least met you half price on a new bow.
Ron
I had a takedown longbow blow up on my porch deck. Bright sunny day with temps around 80. Bowyer gave me credit towards a new set of limbs. Said they had some issues with a new batch of glue they were using.
Another reason for a bow to come apart at that point is over draw. All bows have an engineered max draw and when that is exceeded other things start to bend and bad things happen. Not saying that's what happened here but it is another cause of them coming apart at the fades.
Mike
I appreciate all of your takes on this. I can understand somewhat why he chose his position not knowing what the bow has been through however my position is I do know how it's been cared for and that is why I feel that it was a glue failure or a unforeseeable flaw. Thanks again for all the input. Brock.
Hunt with the Bear...its a better bow anyway
I have to agree with Ya Pointer!!
That's a simple glue failure....
I could see it delaminating if you left it in the back seat of your car on a hot day, something like that. Maybe if you left it out in direct sunlight, strung, on a very hot day for several hours even. Not what you are describing. I had a bow explode when a nock broke on the shot, resulting in a complete dry-fire. I've had that happen with other bows, and they did not break, or even get harmed that I could see. Even though I really liked that bow, I never bought another bow from that bowyer.