I've only been trying to be a trad guy for a few years now. Despite years of hunting with a compound bow with an attached quiver, I have been really enjoying shooting my Holm-Made recurve totally naked...uhhh..."devoid of quiver."
Lately, however, I have been considering adding a quiver to the bow. Looking for input on preferred styles....Bow quiver/No quiver...and why.
Thanks!
Kingsnake :archer:
I'm a big Kwikee Kwiver fan. I like having the arrows on the bow when I'm on the move but can take it off in 2 seconds when I get where I'm going. My widow psav is already heavy enough and I love the way it balances without the quiver. I think it's the best of both worlds. I know it's not as nice as all the leather quivers but it's extremely functional. Incidentally, I have the same setup on my barebow wheel bow. I know, I know - blasphemy.
There will be opinions from one end of the spectrum to the other on this question. Mine is that I do not find a bow quiver detrimental in most any hunting situation, and in fact the best all around way to transport my hunting arrows. Arrows attached to bow = one less separate item for me to carry.
Thanks guys. I knew there would be many opinions going in, but I'm fine with that. Also, I will take all input, then end up trying both anyhow. Still....worth asking.
Kingsnake
I like my Dual Arc bow quiver on. The weight helps stabilize my hand and allows me to tune the bow's handling some. The convenience is unmatched.
I always liked my longbow naked, but as of lately I've been shooting it with a bow quiver. I didn't like it at first but it has certainly grown on me. The little extra riser weight has made the bow more forgiving and arrows are much more conveniently located now. For now I am going to stick with the quiver and see how it goes. Cheers SS
I shoot just about every day, but only hunt a few times a year. It is certainly a lot more convenient on my daily shoots to use a side quiver. I get used to the feel of the bow without a bow quiver, and don't feel like changing things when I'm getting ready to go hunting.
I'm a Holm-Made River Runner fan. It's my go to bow when I have to shoot well or when it's time to go hunting. Many don't like to do it, but I drilled my riser for inserts and put a Kwikee bracket on. I get to my spot and it comes off. I also drilled for inserts for a side mount Great Northern. I use that when I hike or still hunt and may get a unexpected shot.
I like a little more mass, like a three piece. My home made strap on adds that wight to my one piece. I usually use a side quiver, but use the bow quiver occasionally Play with it and do not make a decision on one outing
Ron W...I also shoot the River Runner. I really like it. I could not see myself drilling, but I would be willing to strap on a Velcro quiver.
Also, and I may be dating myself a bit, but when I started shooting trad, I had flashbacks to watching my old "Bowhunting October Whitetails" video....where the Catquiver looked so convenient and awesome in its Jim Crumley Treebark camo. Yea...I bought one and I use it.
Still...
Kingsnake
I prefer a naked bow myself. I don't like having things sticking off my bow while I'm stalking. I have enough to worry about besides my quiver snagging brush, and exposed feathers to make noise. To me, in this case, the cons outweigh the pros. I have good success with a safari tuff.
I shoot all of my bows with quiver attached. I always did with my wheelie bow as well. I tried to shoot a recurve with no quiver and it just felt weird to me
I prefer go use my Dawgware Side quiver. I will use an EFA 3 arrow one on occasion.
I've dealt with the same question. benfits are extra wt (if needed) seems to stabilize bow a bit and the convenience. the biggest negative I can think of (other than extra wt if you don't want or need it) is there is extra "stuff" that may be picked up by deer etc when you are moving the bow to get in postion for a shot. that said, if you move at the right time you can hopefully avoid getting picked off. UNLESS there are a bunch of different pairs of eyes watching and then it might not matter much anyhow. I have had indivudals indicate that tuning changes with vs. without a quiver - therefore consider this. best - matt
Not. I've shot with a bow quiver for many years and it feels just fine to me. I tune with it on and it has never been an issue for me.
Every quiver is a compromise and a bowquiver is the best for me. Doesn't mean it has to be for you.
I shoot a three-piece Widow with an attached quiver and always shoot with it on. I like the extra mass and feel I should practice like I hunt. If I need a second arrow, there's nothing faster than an arrow right off of the quiver on the side of the bow.
I shoot a Sarrels takedown longbow. I practice and hunt with no quiver onthe bow. I carry my arrows in a Great Northern Quick Detach quiver on my bow. As soon as I get in a blind or stand, I take the quiver off my bow.
Bisch
I like a Thunderhorn Lynx with the small fry hood. It is adjustable from bow to bow and goes on and off quickly and easily.
I prefer mine nekked.
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Though I do often make a single arrow "quiver" with half a Selway Piggy-Backer and a broadhead sheath for a fast shot when stalking or as a second-chance from a stand.
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I shoot my longbows, naked as you say. I like a Kanati two piece side mount slim jim on my recurves. very tight to the bow. I have others but that is my fav. I guess it might have to do more with what you grew up with, but to me a recurve almost looks silly without a quiver on it,lol.
I'm going with one on my recurve; just can't find a better option for hunting out of a climber.
I have a pack on my back whenever I hunt (elk take you crazy places). If I did not have a pack on, I would use a back quiver. As it is though, a bow quiver is far quieter than a hip quiver, so that is my choice.
Besides... the guys I look up to in the trad hunting arena are often seen using a bow quiver (Terry G, Kurt, Charlie, etc.). I figure they know a thing or ten about quivers. :bigsmyl:
There are times when they aren't needed, but for spot and stalk hunting, they require less motion and can weave through brush more easily for me.
Depending on the day, I'll use a bow quiver, or not. I do make sure arrow flight is not affected.
If I'm planning on staying in one place, or only moving short distances, I'll use my arrowmaster and have a single arrow quiver taped on my bow (Black Widow Ace-in-the-Hole).
If I'm going to walk more, or will take shots at small game and/or stumps that day, I will use a strap-on bow quiver. It makes it easier to choose a broadhead, small game head, or judo. I usually take it off when sitting for deer.
On my Thunderchild, I use an EFA 3-arrow with the set-back bar. On my Buffalo, I'll use a Big Jim's 5 arrow.
You won't know until you try.
The infantry taught me to always have my weapon in hand; not slung on my back or out of reach. Without arrows, the bow isn't much of a weapon, so having them together (bow quiver) seems natural to me. Everything by Kanati seems to combine thoughtful design, quality construction and compact size.
I tried a traditional back quiver once, but couldn't get the arrows to stop rattling or hanging up on overhead branches. - John
There are downsides to a bow quiver, but to me and my hunting style the pro's out-weigh them. I don't see either as being "better" or "worse" and I think a poll shows an almost 50-50 split between the two. I just like y arrows with my bow. I don't need more than 4 arrows on a hunt (Oh how I WISH for the day when I take a back quiver FULL of arrows on a long duration elk hunt!) and 3 broad heads and one bunny buster suits my current needs. There are guys who only carry one arrow in one of those single broad head holders on their bow. It just depends. I know I've mentioned mass and weight a number of times before, but really the mass of the quiver on my bow has nothing to do with anything. A few ounces or even a couple pounds here or there doesn't do much of anything for me. I just like to drop my pack sometimes and snoop around with just my bow. Maybe when I get into field archery shoots a back quiver will make more sense as I fully expect to lose 4 arrows in m first 10 targets haha.
Thanks, all! Plenty to consider here, that's for sure.
I do like the look of that Kanati Slimjim, but I shoot Woodsman 3-blades....Do they make a top end of the quiver with that type of broadhead in mind in addition to the two-blade version?
Here my normal Catquiver rig.... (http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg575/Doug_Simon/October%20Hunt%20in%20GWNF/2013OctoberHuntingTrip046_zps679800d8.jpg) (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/Doug_Simon/media/October%20Hunt%20in%20GWNF/2013OctoberHuntingTrip046_zps679800d8.jpg.html)
Kingsnake
One piece Longbow: Nude :saywhat:
One piece Recurve: Nude :saywhat:
Three pce bows: bowquiver, preferably with inserts in riser, so no rubbers :) :nono:
I run through this each year. I don't like to shoot with a bow quiver on, but its the most handy way to carry my arrows, especially when I have a climber on my back and a satchel on my side. I have resorted to a kwikee in the past, this year I have a new bow I don't want holes in, so I will be trying my kwikee mounted on a cobra hip adapter fastened on a fanny sack.
I used a bow quiver early on in my bowhunting, but these days I prefer to not have on on the bow. I use a Safari Tuff back quiver now and like it a bunch.
I personally don't know of a hunter who has been more successful killing more animals in more places and in more varied situations than Denny Sturgis Jr. He uses a Safari Tuff Arrowmaster most of the time, but I think he said for water buffalo he did use a bow quiver for a faster reload.
I prefer lighter mass weight bows, and bow quivers make them feel off balance to me. More to snag when going through thick stuff, offers little protection to the arrows and fletchings vs. an Arrowmaster, can make a lot more noise at the shot if an arrow gets loose, amplifies any bow movement, and I can think of at least one or two times I was contacted for an emergency string because someone cut theirs placing an arrow back in a bow quiver.
For me and the hunting I do, can't beat a well designed side quiver. Hides the arrows, protects the arrows, they won't get snagged and fall out, won't get loose and cause noise, won't flag, won't change the feel of the bow, can carry more arrows...
But that's just my opinion.
I shoot with a great northern adjustable.
I bought an arrowmaster for this season. But after using it all summer for practice. When I loaded up with broadhead arrows. I decided I'm going back to a bow quiver. I put 4 BH arrows and 2 bludgeon arrows. With the BHs in the foam I can hear the feathers rustling against each other. And when I would Draw an arrow out I could hear the nock scrape down the other shafts. It did not do this until i stuck the BHs in the foamI when I shot fields points this summer I never stuck the FPs in the foam. I also don't like having another thing strapped to my body between my arrowmaster safety vest back pack binocs and I do use a climber at times I felt like I was draped like a X-Mas tree. And with the arrow master the Fletcher's are protected but the BHs are susceptible to rain and snow.
I like a bow quiver BH heads are protected because the hood is up. So no rain or snow. Fletching can be protected by a fletch cover. When it rains I will lay the bow across my lap to keep rain from getting down the top of the fletch cover.
I can easily carry my pack,climber or both on my back without the extra hassle of a side quiver flopping around.there also no real convenient place to hang a quiver in the tree. If you need to reload fast you have to take your eyes off the animal.
With a bow quiver the arrow is inches from the shelf. And you can keep you eyes on your prey. As far as arrows,getting snagged through brush with the bow and arrows as one unit it easy to manipulate,through brush and as terry green says you can hold you bow with quiver full of arrows I'm front of,you like a mini blind.
A well designed bow quiver will not make your bow louder
If anything it will absorb excess vibration. I never cared for quickie quivers when I shot wheels they always made a Fop sound. I have a big Jim quiver on my buffalo. And it is very quiet and secure. I didn't think I would like a bow quiver on my longbow for balance reasons. But I was wrong I can actually hold more steady with the added weight.
There is no perfect quiver. But IMOP there nothing faster to reload quieter while hunting. And more convenient. And I have tried them all back,side,hip,cat, etc... And I may try them all,again but I always go back to a bow quiver.
QuoteAnd with the arrow master the Fletcher's are protected but the BHs are susceptible to rain and snow.
There's an optional cover just for that, so if you hunt in snow you can have your arrows fully protected. A dab of Vaseline or Chap Stick on the edge does a good job of protecting them also.
Like most things, it boils down to what you like and what you are used to.
QuoteOriginally posted by LBR:
QuoteAnd with the arrow master the Fletcher's are protected but the BHs are susceptible to rain and snow.
There's an optional cover just for that, so if you hunt in snow you can have your arrows fully protected. A dab of Vaseline or Chap Stick on the edge does a good job of protecting them also.
Like most things, it boils down to what you like and what you are used to. [/b]
I know about the optional cover and I thought about spending the $25 plus shipping. But like you said it all boils down to what you like. I actually got the arrowmaster last X-Mas. I only got to hunt with it a couple of times. Due to horrible weather and seasons end. I did not really like it it seemed to flop around to much. I thought about returning it But I thought I should give it a fair shake and play around with it. I used it all summer and liked it in the back yard. But for hunting It seems a little more cumbersome than necessary. I may try hunting with it again soon Or I may just sell it. I am happy with my bow quiver.
I think the right quiver is dictated almost more by use than design
Lets face it, the different styles of hunting has proven all styles over quivers useful through the years.
I've tinkered with many.
bolt on selway
strap on great northern longbow
2 back quivers
home made gfa style
a real gfa quiver I recently tried out
a chief side quiver
As an over all quiver for me, both in stands and on the ground I like my chief or my home made side quiver (used a great northern longbow quiver, removed the straps and added 550 cord). I like my backquivers for roving/range time/small game stuff. They're fast and easy to load. My Chief is my preferred for big game, I can carry 5 Bh's and 1 or 2 blunts. I'm not really thrilled with the fleece hood, but it does serve its purpose if I use it. It does mash feathers. The chief really is no fun for roving or range time as loading is no fun with a separator foam plug on the open end. My GN is ok, but I don't like the in and out with the rubber, (bent shafts). The Great Northern doesn't fit my 23/64 shafts at all though I like the design. I've used something similar to it for 14 years off and on now. I cut the rubber and that was a mistake but I know the rubbers replaceable so its not a giant loss. Nice quiver but not made for large diameter shafts...plus it really stinks in the cold. The rubber gets crazy hard.
back quivers are nice and I really do like them, but back pack hunting they're out and I really don't like them around treestands. I drop enough crap I don't need to drop my arrows too lol. Otherwise this would like have been my go to for years and it was early on.
The selway is nice design. It fit my bob lee well. It does give a wider profile which makes low crawling crappy....ok low crawling with most quivers is no fun but for some reason this one always gave me fits. Otherwise on my recurve I liked it.
Like Chad I don't care for the weight of a bowquiver anymore and haven't for awhile now. I wont go as far as to say my bows are light, not all of them are featherweights, but the added weight of a quiver and added noise is what I disliked.
I don't mess with a flap on my chief I dont believe you really need it. It has a similar open body design to the arrow master. I've used vasaline in the past and may go back to it. Its not enough to make a difference on blood trails though at one time I'd pack my hood slots full of Vaseline and wipe off the excess carefully after inserting heads.
My chief and great northern slung as a side quiver both work well in trees as they do on the ground. Low crawling I take them off or pull them up on my back. They don't do as well crawling as a some other quivers overall though they do good enough with everything else I've learned to use them in awkward spots. I do hang them off a fanny pack belt when up in the trees. A lone wolf strap works well also. Again its nice not having the arrows on the bow. They're right next to me so its still an easy load.
I don't care for a bowquiver. If you should decide to use one, seriously consider the Great Northern strap on style. In my opinion, it interferes with the flexing of the limbs the least (aside from one that uses inserts). That brand with the big slide on rubber attachments (I know the brand name, I'm just not saying it out loud) is horrible, in my opinion. It changes the way your limbs flex, and can be damaging.
I do the majority of my hunting with a bare bow and GFA side quiver.
Bill
All my bows have bow mounted quivers.
Nothing else is quite as convenient or solid.
Anything else just catches on all the brush, moves around, and/or makes noise and is just in the way.
I would use a Safari Tuff on a bunny hunt when you need lots of arrows' though.
I like a strap on bow quiver, for two reasons. First, it adds weight to the bow. I came to recurves from a target compound background, so I was used to shooting bows that weighed upwards of ten pounds with all the target stuff on them. I don't feel steady with a light bow. Second, I think strap ons make the bow quieter. The rubber straps seem to dampen sound, almost like limbsavers.
Thanks, again, Gang for not only providing your recommendations, but also the rationale for those choices. I will continue to experiment with some of the options mentioned and find which approach works for me.
Kingsnake :thumbsup:
if you want a simple cheap quiver that really works extremely well.
Either find a GN longbow quiver or an old style bear bow quiver one piece.
For the bear (or similar) drill a hole in the top of the hood a bit in from the edge enough you don't break it. You can drill or tie off by the clip end either or depending on what quiver you use. Run some 550 cord through the hole and knot it in the hood, or run two holes and knot back on the outside. Same thing on the clip end, either tie off or run through the hole and than knot/tie off. Sling like a side quiver (Lakota style).
Great northern I wont drill but find if its a strap on I don't need too. Its great for traveling btw for you no bow quiver types! A hunk of 550 cord tied to the strap bracket end on the hood side and I clove hitch before the clip side, keep a long tag and tie it to the clip bracket end...nothing fancy here, it keeps the clove hitch from sliding up towards the hood.
It wont sit flat hanging on a wall, but it will sit flat when you wear it. Its SUPER light! If you travel this is the cats meow imho! And easily swaps back over to a strap on quiver just remove the cord..so if you use this quiver and break a strap on a travel hunt, here's your backup. It works extremely well!
If you go with a quiver like this, and you are crawling, you may want to add another leg with a clip (think black widow back quiver made by neet I believe). adjust the leg so it keeps the quiver running down your back...get on your belly, pull the quiver back and clip on keeping it somewhat in place. It's not perfect but it does with a little tweaking and some moderate thinking work extremely well. I tied off this style and really liked it, though I think a clip of some kind would be MUCH better (faster) for a hunting scenario.
Its generally easy to come across a cheap quiver when you're away from home. This is a simple way to either use what you have or find a cheap quiver and make it work. You may, as I have, found a side quiver (Lakota style) is about as perfect as perfect can get in designs. Someday I'll make a real side quiver, until then, my chief and GN get the nods!