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Title: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: Tony Z on September 10, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
I changed the shelf material on my Widow today. The old calf hair was pretty worn and I wasn't sure it was doing its job.The bow shot fine mind you. I replaced it with Velcro. Did a damn good job cutting it out I might add. I even put back the little piece of whatever it is the Widow boys stuck behind the strike plate. Anyway, my arrows are flying low left now. Any advice would be appreciated. Any advice would be great. Tony Z
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: JimB on September 10, 2014, 10:43:00 PM
Right or left handed shooter?
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: motorhead7963 on September 10, 2014, 10:50:00 PM
If the bow is right handed I would guess the calf hair was a tad thinner than the Velcro especially if you used the self adhesive stuff, I would peel it back just far enough to remove the added side plate spacer and try that.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: Tony Z on September 11, 2014, 06:58:00 AM
Right handed. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: T Folts on September 11, 2014, 07:20:00 AM
Rick welch has a tuning method to explain this but I cant remember correctly, someone will chime in.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: dbd870 on September 11, 2014, 07:45:00 AM
I was shooting left with my KMag ever since I bought it (right hand shooter); replaced the plate and shelf and it fixed the problem. The shelf was definitely thinner and I can't remember on the plate.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: Tony Z on September 11, 2014, 08:08:00 AM
I'm gonna shoot some more after work today. Maybe my form was coming apart because I'm looking for a result of the change. Don't wanna dig through the garbage can for that calf hair ! Thanks guys. TonyZ
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: DanielB89 on September 11, 2014, 09:45:00 AM
Motorhead hit in on the head, no pun intended.

There is a great chance that the thickness of the velcro is greater than the thickness of the calf skin.

A trick to helping arrows out that are too weak is to thicken your strike plate, moving your arrow farther away from center.  I have done this quite a few times when getting a bow set up and don't have a heavier spined arrow on hand.  

Use a thinner strike plate, or remove what is behind the strike plate, and your problem should be solved.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: JimB on September 11, 2014, 10:59:00 AM
Velcro is thicker than calfskin and that can stiffen things a lot.Even 1/16" will make a noticeable difference.You may want to think about going back to calf skin.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: Zradix on September 11, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
also...( I no longer use velcro for this reason...though many do)...

Be sure the tips of your feathers are "snag free"
Velcro is a bunch of tough loops that by design love to get snagged on things.

..I use "Bear hair" for this reason since it isn't looped..
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: Tajue17 on September 11, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
messing with the shelf material is such a big deal people don't realize how much it effects your arrow spines.

try a piece of a paper match stick behind the strike plate its pretty much for when you touque the bow a little it gives a little pivot point so you don't bump the arrow at release.  

the shelf is different the velcro might be too thick which in a nutshell lowered your string nock so raise that a little or trim down the velcro which like others have said it snags the fletch  when its left un trimmed.

I get the super thin shelf material that 3 rivers sells and use that for both the shelf and plate I don't use anythign behind the strike plate so I can address those torque problems when the show up not hide them but thats me I just can't do that to everry bow i have.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: grayfeather on September 12, 2014, 10:07:00 AM
yes, go back to what you had . the Velcro is a lot thicker.
Title: Re: Shelf Material and Arrow Flight
Post by: DaveT1963 on September 15, 2014, 09:56:00 AM
Really has little to do with thickness but more to do with velcro being a more giving (cushoning) material.  Bear rug rest on side plate is even more so.