Not trying to reopen an old debate,but; this AM I made what I thought was a "perfect" hit on a doe. Just knew I was going to find her 40 yards or so from the stand. Picked up the bloodtrail after 15 steps or so from my arrow sticking in the ground. To make a long story short, I had hit the old girl thru the liver, not the lungs. Found her (THANKS TO THE LORD) about 175 yards from where I shot her. When she was walking, the bloodtrail was a stand-up tracking. When she was running/trotting, it look as everytime her feet hit the ground, blood was squirted out both sides. I'm not saying that she wouldn't died if I had shot with a 2 or 3 blade bh, but; I'm glad I had an "ole greenie bear" with bleeder blades on the end of my poplar arrow. When I started to drag her out, the blood was pouring out of the entrance and exit wound. I have been shooting 2 blade bhs for years but I can't remember ever having a bloodtrail this good with a liver hit. For what its worth.......
Sounds like ya did good to me. Glad to hear those old bears still work, I will beusing six that were my dad's this year. Congrats on your doe. Might have been a marginal hit, but ya did good and recovered her, so dont lose any sleep.
So where are the hero shots already?
I liver shot a deer with a 160 gr Snuffer...he ran over 200 yds before piling up. The larger hole the Snuffer created, I feel, led to the quick death. Although I still use single blade heads 99% of the time, its tough to beat those multiple blade heads.
Hey Vermonster13, I ain't got one of them newfangled cameras...If'en I did I problably wouldn't know how to put the picture up here anyhows...
how heavy was the arrow?
and what was your bows draw?
I know I should keep my mouth shut....but I ain't gonna.
Everyone is afraid what might happen if they hit bone, but not many consider what might happen if you hit a soft part other than heart and lungs...and there's lots of them.
A liver hit should be 100% fatal, but they can go a long way. To find them you have to be able to track them. The four blade will help.
Congrats!!
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I am a huge fan of the 4 blade. I have shot a few with 2 blade with mixed results on what should have been good trails. But man I love 4 blades.
Scott
I like 3 blades (Snuffers or Woodsman) myself. The entrance and exit wounds are amazing! The older I get, the more I appreciate lots of blood on the trail.
I shoot big wide 2 blade heads, but I agree a bigger hole is better. My Magnus I's carve a good sized slice that lets out LOTS of blood.
It's always been amazing to me how far a deer can go before expiring...they might live for less than a minute, but can travel 200 yards in that time. 200 yards in a Michigan October swamp is a tough trail without plenty of blood.
I've killed numerous deer with all kinds of heads. All are deadly if sharp and placed where they need to be. However, the amount of blood left on the ground when I use multiblade heads has always been substantially more than the blood left by two blades (even the big Mag I's have disappointed me) and, as Charlie says, a less than perfect hit is where the multiblade heads earn their keep.
It stands to reason that a bigger hole will let more blood out.The one thing that I have a problem with is if the heart is pumping at its maximum just how big does the hole have to be? A liver hit is going to down an animal no doubt but only a certain amount of blood can flow too and from the organ.I have used both two blades and two blades with bleeder blades and I can't really say that I could tell a difference in the two. I wish now I had paid more attention to the effects of the shots and what damage was done.I do remember one particular shot that entered high in the kill zone that left no blood trail for the first fifty or so yards after that the blood was pouring out. I just don't recall what kind of head I was using.I don't thnk it would have made any difference in this case.
My first several deer were with Bear Razorheads, some with bleeders, some without. Since then I have used mostly Magnus I's, but also a few Grizzlies and a few with the Zwickey fixed 4 blade.
Like most of you guys, I also helped friends on as many or more blood trails than I have created myself. I can't even begin to list the broadheads used on those assisted trails..Woodsmans, Razorcaps, and SteelForce come to mind.
After all those bloodtrails (I'm NOT the most experienced guy on this site,I don't mean that to sound as salty as it reads), I think it's all about shot placement. Low through both lungs, possibly disrupting the arteries on top of the heart, seem to cause massive bloodtrails, regardless of the head. Ironically, those deer also usually drop within sight.
Therefore, I shoot the widest broadhead, that I can sharpen the best, that flies the best out of the bow I am using.
Hey Deadpool, I was using a 50lb SuperKodiak. My arrow weight was 525-535 grains. Roger Norris...My shot was above mid-line and exited about mid-line, it was not a low exit wound. The wound (exit and entrance) looked like I shot her with a square 12ga. slug. Thats the best I can describe it.
Congrats. Pics please.
"The wound (exit and entrance) looked like I shot her with a square 12ga. slug."
Awesome!
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I know I should keep my mouth shut....
This would be a pretty dull place to visit if we all did that. :)
Let'er rip Charlie. We can take it. :)
This is the beauty of the Bear Razorhead. When (if) bone is hit the bleeder can break away giving one a two blade head to continue on. Ole Fred knew what he was doing.
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Ole Fred knew what he was doing.
He sure did. And what really stands out to me is the fact that he figured most of it out on his own. Very little written information and no internet. A true pioneer.
I guess I am a fan of a 3 or 4 blade head just for the fact that a 3 or 4 blade head will open up a greater wound channel. Just my opinion, but a two blade head will cut just a slit, be it a 1 inch slit or maybe a 2 inch slit, but the wound channel is not very wide or open and can very well close up on it's own versus something with more overall cutting diameter that produces a hole in the animal rather than a slit.