I have a Black Widow MAIII that is #53@28 and I am curious to know what spine arrows everyone shoots around this poundage. If you don't mind, post your Model, poundage, draw length, and arrows, and also, if you know, type of string(FF12strand)
My PCH is 57 @ 29, I'm shooting GT 55/75 29" with 250 grns up front Pretty much the same with my KB. I shoot the plain old BW's D-97 string
PCH 49# @ 27" witch is my draw length, BW D-97 string, shooting CE Heritage 150's cut to 29" standard insert and 125 points.
PMAII 62in. 55@28 2117s 29in long 145gn BH.
I draw 28.5in. I use a Rhino string from Allen at Lefties R US
If you are shooting with carbons you will need either a 500 or 400 (easton) depending on how far you actually draw.
PSA II marked 51#@27.5". I draw to 30,so about 56-57#. I shoot 30.75" Axis 400's with 75 gr inserts and 100 gr tips. String is 18 strand BCY-X padded to 24 in the loops with B-50. I have found the arrows still show a little weak, however moving the spider silencers down the string seemed to slow it down enough to straighten the arrow out nicely with a bare shaft.
Shooting carbon or wood?
I shoot a 56" PCH, a high 56# at my 28.5" draw, 12 strand Rhino string. I shoot Arrow Dynamics Trad HeavyHunters, cut 29.5" with 200gr up front. AD shafts tend to fly well from anything within spine range by simply tuning with point weight, at least for me they do. But I'm planning on getting some FMJ's and using the 75gr insert with 200gr point weight, and I bet I'll end up with the .340's.
60" PMA...54@28...draw 28"...3 Rivers trad 400 arrows...29", 200 gr up front....10 strand SBD string, and Easton FMJ 400's....both fly perfect.
60" PSA 54@28 drawn to 29". Easton Axis 340s cut to 30.25" with 16gr HIT aluminum insert, 1" long 1913 aluminum footing and 250 gr tip. (3) 5" feathers and 7" wrap on the back. 10 strand SBD string and velcro on the shelf and strike plate.
PCHX 54@27 axis 400s with 100gr inserts and 125 gr heads, 30" arrows
PLX 53 @ 28, same arrows as the pch but a skinny string in place of the stock
SAII 54 @ 28 Carbon Express Heritage 250 cut to 28.5.200 grains up front. BW D-97 string. TonyZ
Out of my 55# MAII I shot 2018's cut to 29 1/2" ... they shot REALLY good, my draw is 28" and I shot FF strings ... for carbon I shot CE 250's cut at 30"
I shot a variety of 125 to 145 grn BH'ds all shot well
I also could shoot 2020's if I really wanted to knock something over in it's tracks
The MA series of BW's was by far my favorite, great shooters, tough as nails and the most quiet shooters with a pair of cat whiskers. For some stupid reason I sold them all :knothead: :knothead:
Out of both my bows listed below 2018's with 145gr up front or 2020's with 175gr up front. 28" arrows.
MAII 60#@28", drawn to 27", AD Hammerhead Trad shafts cut 29.5" w/ 300gr. up front, standard aluminum insert, 3 5 inch RW fletch. More often than not, GT 55/75XT, aluminum insert, 145 grains up front cut to 29"w/3grain weight tubes installed. Also, Full Metal Jacket Dangerous Game 300 shafts cut to 30.5" w/ 75 grain insert and 145 grain up front and 3 5" RW fletch. All fly like darts for me.
My PCH is 51@28" and I shoot 3555s cut to 29 1/2" with 225 grains up front. I also shot those out of the MAII, they were fletched with 3 5" feathers. I have some 5575s that I also shot out of each of them that are cut to 30" and used 125 grain tip with the MAII, and switched to the 225 grains with my PCH. Both flew great out of both bows.
I am completely amazed at how you guys shoot .400 and .500 spined arrows out of #50+ bows. I CANNOT get a beeman mfx .340 to show stiff that is cut to 30.5" with standard insert(around 20 grains) and a 175 grain head.
Build a new string for it(14 strand BCY-x) and it made my arrows even weaker. Guess I'm going to have to go back to my other string.
QuoteOriginally posted by DanielB89:
I am completely amazed at how you guys shoot .400 and .500 spined arrows out of #50+ bows. I CANNOT get a beeman mfx .340 to show stiff that is cut to 30.5" with standard insert(around 20 grains) and a 175 grain head.
Build a new string for it(14 strand BCY-x) and it made my arrows even weaker. Guess I'm going to have to go back to my other string.
Agreed. I'm shooting goldtip 7595 trads with my PSA, 30" long with 200 up front. 59# at my 28" draw, with an 8 strand SBD. It seems like every thing I try is too weak. Might be a form issue, but it shoots and bare shafts quite well.
Shooting the PCH-X in my signature, draw is 27 1/2", 29" Gold Tip 5575s with 3 - 5" feathers, 100 grain brass insert, any point from 125-175 grain. 8 strand FF bikini string with rubber cat whiskers (4).
They fly great and bare shaft well.
62" PLx 60# @ 28" drawn to 27.5" I am shooting arrow dynamics trad lights with 75 grain grizzly stick brass inserts and 200 grain points. The Trad lights have a spine deflection of .375 pretty close to a Cx heritage 250.
66" PLII 53 @ 28.
29.5" CE 250 with 20 gr insert and 175 gr head
3 5" feathers
factory string
66"PLX, 55#@28" shoot 2018 legacy, cut to 29.5" with 125gr head.
QuoteOriginally posted by jkm97:
QuoteOriginally posted by DanielB89:
I am completely amazed at how you guys shoot .400 and .500 spined arrows out of #50+ bows. I CANNOT get a beeman mfx .340 to show stiff that is cut to 30.5" with standard insert(around 20 grains) and a 175 grain head.
Build a new string for it(14 strand BCY-x) and it made my arrows even weaker. Guess I'm going to have to go back to my other string.
Agreed. I'm shooting goldtip 7595 trads with my PSA, 30" long with 200 up front. 59# at my 28" draw, with an 8 strand SBD. It seems like every thing I try is too weak. Might be a form issue, but it shoots and bare shafts quite well. [/b]
Same thing with me. my arrows bareshaft well too(before i built this new string). So now I am wondering exactly what i'm going to do. I may try to trim them a little and see if that helps.
The problem is i have no idea how to get these HIT inserts out. They were installed when i got the arrows.
Daniel trim your arrows from the nock end.
Put a tip on them the use a lighter and heat the point. That will loosen the inserts enough to get them out.
PSA V 58in. 52@28 gold tip trad 55/75 29.50 inches long, 50 gn insert + 125gn field.
PSA X 58in. 58@28 gold tip trad 75/95 29.50 inches long, 50 gn insert + 175gn BH.
I draw 28.50 inches. I use a SBD string 8 strand D10.
If HIT inserts are installed with HIT epoxy, they ain't coming out....trust me, I tried.
QuoteOriginally posted by hitmantoto:
PSA V 58in. 52@28 gold tip trad 55/75 29.50 inches long, 50 gn insert + 125gn field.
PSA X 58in. 58@28 gold tip trad 75/95 29.50 inches long, 50 gn insert + 175gn BH.
I draw 28.50 inches. I use a SBD string 8 strand D10.
You and I are really close.
Trim the HIT arrows from the back. Way less hassle to remove the nock, trim and chamfer, reinstall nock.
Personal form seems to be a big factor when arrows show up weak or stiff contrary to the 'formula' for different people. I'm one of the ones that consistently gets what should be weak arrows to shoot great for a bunch of bows that 'should' take stiffer arrows.
Logic would point out the simplest factor maybe being draw creep producing reduced draw weight and hence requirement for a softer spine for myself and the other 'soft spine' folks, BUT I have experimented with a variety of bows and even lower draw weights where I'm able to hold at full draw for a loonnng time and it always ends up the same. I have discovered that it is related to how I aim and release the bow. I am lefty and have a natural tendency to shoot to the right so if I go with an arrow that "fits" the formula or spines stiffer it will just magnify that natural 'error'. Shooting a softer spine setup allows me to correct for that. That's my theory anyway LOL. I'm never done experimenting.
I shoot 31" GT 75/95 with 200 gn up front out of my PSA. It is 53@28 and I draw 29
PSAV 60" 58#@29 (I draw 28"). BW D97 string. I am shooting easton gamegetter 340s (30") with 125 gr. Field points. These seem like they should be way too stiff, but that's what bareshafts best (still slightly weak). I tried 2018s, 400s and 2216s, but they bareshafted way too weak. I haven't had this bow very long and I keep repeating the bareshafting to see if I get different results but it always comes out the same. Lol. The only other 55# bow that I had to go this stiff was a pittsley predator.
PSAV 60" 58#@29 (I draw 28"). BW D97 string. I am shooting easton gamegetter 340s (30") with 125 gr. Field points. These seem like they should be way too stiff, but that's what bareshafts best (still slightly weak). I tried 2018s, 400s and 2216s, but they bareshafted way too weak. I haven't had this bow very long and I keep repeating the bareshafting to see if I get different results but it always comes out the same. Lol. The only other 55# bow that I had to go this stiff was a pittsley predator.
PSAX 60" 53 @ 28", (I draw about 27 1/2"), BW D97 String. Currently shooting GT Trads 55/75's with 175 grain point that are 29 1/4" long, fletched with 3- 4" feathers.
PMA II 64" 47@29, drawn to 30. BW string.
31" 2117 3-5" feathers with either 125 or 145 up front, or 31" 65-70 Douglas fir with 125s.
Gosh, I thought more wood arrow shooter would have chimed in. PSAX 58" 47#@28" with douglas fir 11/32 parallel 65-70 spine at 29 1/2 BOP and 160 grain 3 blade VPA.
PLX 66" 56@28, draw to 28". Carbon Express Heritage 350 cut to 30-3/8" 50gr brass insert, 75gr adapter, 125gr grizzly. 3/2" fethers. total arrow weight 622gr
anybody who wants to know where i get my "fethers" can pm me :rolleyes:
2016s or Grizzlystik Banshee 500s out of my 50# BW
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesKerr:
Daniel trim your arrows from the nock end.
James, that would be fine if they weren't all fletched. lol
MA111 55@28 60"bow. I can shoot 2016's thru 2117's with great results. 45 gr inserts and 165 Zwickeys upfront. Shooting 3 fletch 4"feathers.
QuoteOriginally posted by Wallydog:
MA111 55@28 60"bow. I can shoot 2016's thru 2117's with great results. 45 gr inserts and 165 Zwickeys upfront. Shooting 3 fletch 4"feathers.
what does a 2116 and 2117 spine out at?
A 2016 would be about a .450 spine I would guess. A 2117 spines out at .400 I do know that the 2016 is just a guess though
Oh and Daniel have you tried using a drill bit inside the arrow to see if you can "punch the inserts out the end of the shaft. Warning do this outside and not facing any cars or windows as the inserts and drill bit when they come out are moving at very high speed. It does ruin the current inserts but usually not the arrows.
Bw psa v 58" 50Lb at 27"I am shooting poc 55-60 28"125 gr point 3 5" feathers fly like darts also flys well with Zwickey deltas 135 gr two blades
James, i have never tried that, i will give it a try!