Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: bornofmud on August 10, 2014, 02:21:00 PM
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Just put in an order for some 5575 gold tip trads, but after doing the calculations realized I'm going to be shooting about 7.5 gpp, would like to get it closer to 9 gpp. My tips are 125gr, any other way to add weight? Maybe weighted tip inserts or will that give the arrow too much front end weight?
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Weighted inserts, aquarium tubing, heavier broadheads
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100 grain brass inserts will add the weight......but you will either have to make the shaft several inches longer or use the next heavier spine to make the arrows tune the same.
Bisch
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Don't know your draw length or bow weight but I shoot the same arrow with 100 grain brass inserts and with a 125 grain head I have about a 520 grain arrow. At my draw length of 27 1/2" that gives me a tad over 10 gpp.
You must shoot a heavier bow. ????
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You must be shooting about 56 # or an arrow longer than 29". Give us your arrow length and weight at your draw and we may be able to help.
Either way... good luck.
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.105 weed trimmer line works good and it's cheap. Before you push the last end in the arrow, fold it in half. Keeps it from moving around.
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I always used the 50 or 100gr brass inserts in GT arrows.
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I shoot 5575's 100 grain brass inserts and 125 points my bow is 55@29 and they shoot great
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lots of good ideas listed here..another is 3/16" braided nylon/poly rope..I leave it an inch long to help stop it moving around in there..
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I am shocked that nobody realizes gt 's have threaded inserts . Buy the GT tool, some 20. & 50 grain weights & make your arrow any weight you want. Big Jim carries what you need, or. 3 Rivers . Good luck, Scott.
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I shoot the same arrows cut to 29 100 grain insert and 175 grain head. i shoot #50@ 28 and i draw 27". and they shoot great.
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Originally posted by 96ssportsp:
I am shocked that nobody realizes gt 's have threaded inserts . Buy the GT tool, some 20. & 50 grain weights & make your arrow any weight you want. Big Jim carries what you need, or. 3 Rivers . Good luck, Scott.
I used those once, I will stop short of calling them junk. More effect on arrow balance and FOC than brass inserts and they came loose even though I used a bit of Loctite.
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Thanks for the help everyone, think I'll go with the brass inserts. The arrows are 30.5", bow is 60#, think the spine will still be fine with the inserts, bow is cut past center.
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If they turn out too weak, just add material to the side plate. That's what I've been doing for years.
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Originally posted by str8jct:
Originally posted by 96ssportsp:
I am shocked that nobody realizes gt 's have threaded inserts . Buy the GT tool, some 20. & 50 grain weights & make your arrow any weight you want. Big Jim carries what you need, or. 3 Rivers . Good luck, Scott.
I used those once, I will stop short of calling them junk. More effect on arrow balance and FOC than brass inserts and they came loose even though I used a bit of Loctite. [/b]
Funny.....ironic....I have just the opposite problem, can't get them out very easily. They work great for me.....but some say I am different. :D
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I have used the GT weights for quite a while with excellent results. I use a good melting glue for the inserts, just heat a field point to remove them, and add or subtract the weights. I have never had one come loose. Using them really allows me to fine tune my shafts.
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Been using heat glue for over 20 yrs and GT shafts no problem.
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im betting that unless this guy is shooting over 80#'s at 28-30 inches the 55/75's will need this 100 grain insert to even be close to the right spine, and it better be left full length at that.
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Originally posted by randy grider:
im betting that unless this guy is shooting over 80#'s at 28-30 inches the 55/75's will need this 100 grain insert to even be close to the right spine, and it better be left full length at that.
x2.
going to be way too stiff.
i now shoot 500 spine with 350gr upfront out of my 58# border. for a couple of years i struggled to get good flight because i was using 400 spine thinking they should be the right spine. they are not, they are too stiff. i now believe that most people are shooting arrows that are too stiff.
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I use this stuff. 30 inches adds appr. 50 grains. Very easy to apply and very durable. Take care it is a little bit longer then your shaft, and push it in the nock, so it is under pressure in your shaft. If you do it correct, no rattling or whatsoever. If you want to add 100 grains, use two. Since it is flexible, your nocks won't be launched by impact.
I payed $5,25 for 30 feet.
(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p525/FlyingDutchman25/Archery%20Stuff/37aa4f86b22de06108eeac6122e5cc47_zps7e3ff924.jpg)
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Coffee,if your cheap use it first and dried it.
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for carbon hunting arrows, i never liked using shaft tube inserts. it just made more sense, and better arrow flight, and the promise of better penetration, to load the front end up.
this kills two birds at once by both upping the arrow gpp, and effectively increasing the foc (as a by-product of the front end weight).
i always use glue-on broadheads and vary the adapter weights to suit the arrow's final weight. i've also used heavy brass inserts, too.
carbon shafts have high *dynamic* spine ratings. this is clearly evident by the wide static spine range all carbons sport ... i.e. - "35-55", "55-75", etc. you will NOT see that with woodies! there is no, or very little need, to worry over shaft/arrow spine with carbons.
i use beman 500 bowhunters @ 29" with 350 grains up front for a 585 grain arrow out of longbows that range in holding weights of 52# down to 44#. for the techies, that equates to a 29% foc arrow, though i really don't care much about foc or efoc or lmnop. :D
heavy arrows may be a tad to a lot slower at yer typical game shooting distances, but they're typically more stable, more forgiving, more quieter, and have more penetration than lighter gpp arrows. ymmv.
so, load up yer hunting arrow's front end to yer heart's content. :cool:
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Loading up front weight is perfect for hunting arrows. Together with different weights for adapters and broad heads you can tune your arrow perfectly and achieve a high FOC, desirable for hunting....So you have the best of two worlds indeed.
However, for 3D shooting, especially when you join in competitions, you need a lower FOC and not so heavy arrows to be able hitting targets till 60 yards.
For this ball game I worked with the wheat eater line.
My arrows are now around the 9 gpp (440 grains) and have a FOC around the 10%, which is close to perfect for this.
The weat eater line does not affect your spine value.
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Originally posted by randy grider:
im betting that unless this guy is shooting over 80#'s at 28-30 inches the 55/75's will need this 100 grain insert to even be close to the right spine, and it better be left full length at that.
Depends on how clean or dirty his release is. The cleaner the release, the stiffer the shaft you need. "Everybody" should bare shaft to ensure their arrows are right for them. So and so shoots this or that shaft at same draw weight as me doesn't cut it.