This comment can be heard across the country when you go to 3-D shoots. It seems there is always that one target that gets this title.
Some stand out in my mind more than others, but this one,well..... " You don't want to miss this one!"
Good Shooting,
Craig
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I would put a sneaky stalk to 7 yards and drill him :)
Yeah, that's a target where you use your old worst arrow for sure!
QuoteOriginally posted by joe vt:
I would put a sneaky stalk to 7 yards and drill him :)
Good plan Joe, he's looking the other way. :bigsmyl:
Monkeyball, I'm nervous just looking at the picture...I am not metally stable enough to make that shot....
:biglaugh: :biglaugh:
That is just plain diabolical! :scared: :biglaugh:
What cracks me up is the guys that will attempt to find there arrows.
If you look at the valley, that's what you're gonna hit.
that target was placed there by a pinko, commi, thumb sucking, bed wetting, arrow salesman.
Ouch!
Good shot for string tracker.
That looks like an area where I used to hunt.
I don't think you'd want to hit one of those lines. :scared:
In June 2000, the very first shot was a mule deer slightly uphill, slightly quartering towards, at forty yards! The master scorer said, alright who wants to start? I looked around and everyone is looking away kicking dirt around! I said come on guys this is easy! Note the object is to hit inside a two inch steel ring, where the X is for the big points! I casually pull,nock, swing draw, release, centered the steel ring! Everyone of those guys rifled around and picked their worst arrow, proceeded to miss the target, their arrows saled into the valley below, never to be seen again! That set the tone for the rest of the event! My arrow was the only arrow in sixteen targets out of twenty eight!
I had won the "Final Chapter" Howard Hill Longbow/Recurve World Championship, held on June, 24th and25th,2000!
I was using a John Schultz, made for me "Short String" one of his all bamboo Naturals, white painted wood shafts, white fletch, little red nocks, 145 grain heads! Yeah, that's doing it the "Hardway!" Best shooting event I have ever attended, not because I made the grade, but because of the Hill mystique and all the memmorabilia surrounding the area! I had brought two of my shooting buddies with me, we visited Howard and Elizabeth grave site, causing us to miss our flight home! Still it was a very memorable event! The highlight of my archery career! Enjoy! Jacques
I don't see the need to ever place a target in that position and the clubs that do, don't get my business again. Being a "fairly" decent shot I would still pass on that target, but what about the new shooters and the younger shooters after they lose a few arrows, not fun, probably not coming back. One of our local clubs placed a target in an uncut grass field at 55 yards another club placed a target on the edge of a swamp at 45 yards, miss and your arrow is gone. I don't turn in score cards so if I skip a target or stalk up for the shot it is no big deal but I refuse to support any club that makes their money from selling "lost arrows"
Just my take on the subject
James
I'd just walk up to the target and shoot it- no problem. You gotta believe. JMO
QuoteOriginally posted by joe ashton:
that target was placed there by a pinko, commi, thumb sucking, bed wetting, arrow salesman.
:biglaugh:
At this years NALS we had a mt. lion up in a tree with nothing in back of him but miles of forest!
Clever how they painted that backstop screen to look just like a deep valley....
Can I borrow one of your arrows? LOL
Monkeyball, that wouldn't happen to be Buffalo Valley 3D at the top of the hill would it??
Thats a great course
Probably one of the most awesome backdrops and intimidators I have ever seen at a shoot. Brickerville,Pa.
Fmscan, you might have theses guys thinking you could not kill that target but I know for sure you would bank one off one of those Oak limbs and send it right in the vitals.
When Lori saw this target she had a meltdown right in the middle of the powerline.
Good Shooting,
Craig
Thanks Monkeyball, I think you know the mad man that sets this course. How you doing. The picture looks even better than when I envisioned the shot. Course 1 Spring Bowhunters Festival, Brickerville Pa. Going to try and top that one this year.
There is your commi,pinko guys.
I was hoping you would get on here buddy, I loved that shot!!!!!!
Good Shooting,
Craig
Yep that's me I guess. Nice thing about our shoot you can walk up to the target if you like and are welcome to do so. All about fun right? Heck I think I snuck up on him...second shot! Wheel bow guys were shaking in their shoes. Seemed they thought not to trust their range finders.
Thanks for the pic that was awesome. Some very funny posts.
I'll take an "x" see you at the next target. Our home range has a river running through it. And would you believe it. About 15 of the 40 of the targets sit right in front of the water at any given shoot. Totally messes with you're mind.
Lol great post! I love it and I have to say I would pull a new arrow right out of my quiver and let it rip! The glory of a kill shot well worth $10. I don't wanna shoot 30 targets set up like this but one ... Sure that's funny. Reminds me of the iron covered deer at Denton Hill. You can hear the hoots and cheers through the woods long before you see the target.... Love it. :bigsmyl:
At a now defunct club outside Brevard,North Carolina most targets weren't broadside or easy shots. The hardest shot was a Dahl sheep quartering away with part of the rump in front of some large outcroppings of boulders with the majority of the target right on the edge of a very steep 500 foot dropoff. Plus you had a steep 200 foot climb to get to the target. Not to brag but I was the only shooter to attempt and to make a killing shot plus taking a second shot to hit the 10 or 12 ring. One of the land owners who also put on the shoots told me he set this target pretty much as a joke, not really expecting anyone to attempt it. Sad to see this club close as it was one that for the most part have every animal broadside or at a clear shot.
At a now defunct club outside Brevard,North Carolina most targets weren't broadside or easy shots. The hardest shot was a Dall sheep quartering away with part of the rump in front of some large outcroppings of boulders with the majority of the target right on the edge of a very steep 500 foot dropoff. Plus you had a steep 200 foot climb to get to the target. Not to brag but I was the only shooter to attempt and to make a killing shot plus taking a second shot to hit the 10 or 12 ring. One of the land owners who also put on the shoots told me he set this target pretty much as a joke, not really expecting anyone to attempt it. Sad to see this club close as it was one that for the most part didn't have every animal broadside or at a clear shot.
At a now defunct club outside Brevard,North Carolina most targets weren't broadside or easy shots. The hardest shot was a Dall sheep quartering away with part of the rump in front of some large outcroppings of boulders with the majority of the target right on the edge of a very steep 500 foot dropoff. Plus you had a steep 200 foot climb to get to the target. Not to brag but I was the only shooter to attempt and to make a killing shot plus taking a second shot to hit the 10 or 12 ring. One of the land owners who also put on the shoots told me he set this target pretty much as a joke, not really expecting anyone to attempt it. Sad to see this club close as it was one that for the most part didn't have every animal broadside or at a clear shot.
A friend says......" You miss this one and the arrow will need a stewardess".......Marty is a funny guy!!
I can make that shot...I hope.
Oops my bad
As someone who has lost his fair share of arrows, I for one applaud targets like this and the others mentioned (provided they're safely arranged). As the saying goes, "Nothing concentrates the mind like the imminent prospect of losing an arrow." :eek:
Experiencing that mental pressure has a lot to commend it as hunting seasons approach.
It mostly comes down to ones belief in his/her shooting ability. I don't see much difference between this and those who use a junk golf ball when water comes into play. You either believe in yourself or you don't.
Personally, I grab the best flying arrow I have, pick a spot, concentrate on form, and then make the shot.
Can you be 100% sure that is a safe shot. Nobody on the other side ( down in the valley).
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesV:
I don't see the need to ever place a target in that position and the clubs that do, don't get my business again. Being a "fairly" decent shot I would still pass on that target, but what about the new shooters and the younger shooters after they lose a few arrows, not fun, probably not coming back. One of our local clubs placed a target in an uncut grass field at 55 yards another club placed a target on the edge of a swamp at 45 yards, miss and your arrow is gone. I don't turn in score cards so if I skip a target or stalk up for the shot it is no big deal but I refuse to support any club that makes their money from selling "lost arrows"
Just my take on the subject
James
I agree with this 1000%
You never take a shot at a target (or an animal) if you can't see what is behind it. Absolutely sending the wrong message, and teaching people who don't know any better
A Bad Practice.
Assuming the distance to target isn't ridiculous,
this is a shot I pray for when hunting. Looking away, broadside and clear of obstruction.
A shot most all bowhunters should make considering the size of the kill zone. Ignoring whats behind and Concentrating on a small spot should bury your arrow in his lungs.
Never! shoot at a sky lined animal! :)
At the Blanford (IN) shoots years ago the last target was and iron doe. 4" hole for the score. One could hear the misses all over the course. This was not too far from where Ed Pitchkites lives.
QuoteOriginally posted by beaunaro:
Clever how they painted that backstop screen to look just like a deep valley....
:biglaugh:
QuoteOriginally posted by Walt Francis:
It mostly comes down to ones belief in his/her shooting ability. I don't see much difference between this and those who use a junk golf ball when water comes into play. You either believe in yourself or you don't.
Personally, I grab the best flying arrow I have, pick a spot, concentrate on form, and then make the shot.
Me too. Then I head for the next target with a lighter quiver. ;)
I agree to never shoot at a sky lined critter but in a controlled environment, I feel these shots that play with your mind should be more prominent.
If there was a flag or person to stand on top to let others know of people down below looking for arrows. Have at it.
Personally I differ from the above post where I would give my money to clubs who offer targets that play with your head.
Like the power lines below. :scared:
QuoteOriginally posted by dbd870:
Yeah, that's a target where you use your old worst arrow for sure!
I think that is the wrong approach grabbing a bad arrow anticipating a miss. You are setting yourself up for failure... I would use the best arrow i had and pick a spot.... Then drill it.
I've shot with guys before who worry more about loosing an arrow than focusing on the shot, and they loose more arrows doing it too.
No balls, No glory! is my way of looking at it.
I've shots lots of targets like this. Hit some and missed some. No big deal.
I love it. Grab my best arrow and drill it.
Or not, but not afraid to try. It's only an arrow.
I figure if it's a shot I would take at a real animal, then I'd go for it.
I try to take a few arrows to shoots that should be retired for tomato stakes. This target would get this arrow!
QuoteOriginally posted by Kirkll:
QuoteOriginally posted by dbd870:
Yeah, that's a target where you use your old worst arrow for sure!
I think that is the wrong approach grabbing a bad arrow anticipating a miss. You are setting yourself up for failure... I would use the best arrow i had and pick a spot.... Then drill it.
I've shot with guys before who worry more about loosing an arrow than focusing on the shot, and they loose more arrows doing it too.
No balls, No glory! is my way of looking at it. [/b]
Right on!
Guys rest assured the shot seen was safely placed and the whole mountain was shut down and posted live archery shoot in progress. Top thing on my clubs list is safety and this shot was very safe. Looks are deceiving and I know my course backdrops. Behind that target was at least a 100 yd. bench. Not as bad as it seems sometime. We had 850+ shooters and the only complaint was the walk they had to take. I wish I could talk more trad guys into coming to check our shoot out but we are mixed in with wheel bows and that seems to be a problem. Thanks.
Good job buddy!
Good Shooting,
Craig
I have to agree with Longbow 58. Safety is top priority.
Great target. 3d shoots need to offer some interesting shots. If they are set up safely, they are what gives a shoot some spice. Other wise I can stay home and shoot the same old 10-25yd boring practice shots.
This one was great fun!
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Nice...giving me more ides! :)
QuoteOriginally posted by elknutz:
This one was great fun!
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Who gets to retrieve the arrows? Best shot or worst?
Delta PA had a gator target on big flat rock, 28yds steep downhill......usually killed a few arrows every shoot but you had bragging rights for a long while if you nailed it the first shot..........Id take that shot in a heartbeat, I dont "name" my arrows so sacrificing one or two is no big deal and I often get them back when looking in the lost arrow bucket the next year..........
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesV:
I don't see the need to ever place a target in that position and the clubs that do, don't get my business again. Being a "fairly" decent shot I would still pass on that target, but what about the new shooters and the younger shooters after they lose a few arrows, not fun, probably not coming back. One of our local clubs placed a target in an uncut grass field at 55 yards another club placed a target on the edge of a swamp at 45 yards, miss and your arrow is gone. I don't turn in score cards so if I skip a target or stalk up for the shot it is no big deal but I refuse to support any club that makes their money from selling "lost arrows"
Just my take on the subject
James
I'm with James - don't take shots like those and don't go back to clubs that set them.
Looks like a cool shot. Yep, you might loose an arrow. But, if I were actually hunting, I'd take the shot if it was within my range. Also, I like to see that some mental pressure is added to the game. Shooting under stress is different than nailing coke cans with Judo's out back and hunting involves varying degrees of success if you respect your game and are pressured for a clean kill. The only thing I can say bad about it is that you can't see your backstop so that might be a tad dangerous normally but I would assume since this was at a shoot you could go walk it to make sure it's clean and go back to shoot.
I shot a small buck outside of New Albion Iowa on the edge of a steep break that was watching the barges go by. By the time that I got him out of the river muck and partway up the slope, I was wishing that I had missed. Flat land can be a wonderful thing.
You'll never no if you can do it it you don't give it your best attempt.
I like shots that make you think,that take you out of your comfort zone. Who wants to shoot everything standing broadside at 20 yards,not me. It does not mean that you are going to take the shot at a live animal. I think......that is why they call it a "shoot".
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One of the first things they teach you in hunter safety courses is to never shoot unless you know what is in the background. I do not care if this in a so called controlled environment or not you should not shoot unless you know for a fact where your arrow is going to land. Very unethical shot to practice.
Steve,
As far as outdoor 3-d shoots go, I do not think you really ever know where your arrow is going to land in the event of a miss,otherwise no one would ever lose any arrows.
Now where did that arrow go........
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Cool....thanks for sharing.
It thought he was real on my phone till I blew it up. :biglaugh:
Just saw the other pics. ...good stuff :thumbsup:
I bet I could hit that hollow tree trunk nearly every time, the turkey targets beyond it? Maybe if I came up short, flinched and lofted one over the top.
Don't want to jinx our record but this was our 21st spring bowhunters festival and my 10th setting up and our record speaks for itself...I personally are more afraid of seeing what I saw at shoots this year. Alcohol on the course. If we miss one of us always stay at the target anyway so we can be seen.
Sorry Monkeyball I hope Lori recovered from that traumatic experience. Now I know why she looks at me like that.
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve in Canton:
One of the first things they teach you in hunter safety courses is to never shoot unless you know what is in the background. I do not care if this in a so called controlled environment or not you should not shoot unless you know for a fact where your arrow is going to land. Very unethical shot to practice.
Steve,
We're likely pretty close to each other. I am Colin in Hartville. Anyway, I have 4 kids. I drill them - "know your target and what is beyond". You have to, and with kids you have to drill that, no matter the weapon and no matter the scenario. Not everyone transcends environments and scenarios the same. You can't rely on everyone being able to make the same judgment call in a real life scenario.
I like a "fun" shot here and there - steel ring, through the log etc...but know your target and beyond.
I generally take my comment "Know your target and beyond" a bit further with my older kids, "No game animal, not one, is worth the risk of any human life."
The shot listed here is a PERFECT opportunity to have that discussion. Do you take that shot if that's the biggest buck you've ever seen and it's at 15 yards? The key is to try to never put yourself in the position of having to wrestle with that.
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve in Canton:
One of the first things they teach you in hunter safety courses is to never shoot unless you know what is in the background. I do not care if this in a so called controlled environment or not you should not shoot unless you know for a fact where your arrow is going to land. Very unethical shot to practice.
I would hope they have the area behind it roped off very well; in the wild, yeah that would be concerning. Were I setting the course would I set that target....(I do plenty of target setting, I'm an officer of our 3D club)....I would have to think about it.
Yes sirs all 350 plus acres of the scout reservation were posted and marked. Like I stated previously we strive for safety and all agreed that the shot was safe we know what was behind our target. Thanks
I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I understand the concept of knowing what is behind your target. I was taught that every since I picked up my first weapon. I have instilled that same concept in my son. That being said, I have helped Longbow58 for many years setting up 3D courses at numerous clubs. This shoot is a fund raiser to help support the boy scouts and the clubs that run it. It has been said many times through out this forum that the scout reservation is completely shut down, signs posted stating there is a live archery shoot happening, and roped/taped off where needed. Staff members policing the courses for any unsafe shots or activity. I can assure you that this shot is safe. As for the real deal senerio, you must know your limits. Distance, shooting ability, the lay of the land your hunting, etc. I know my abilities and limits and the lay of the land I hunt, and if this shot was within my limits/abilities, I would take the shot. Thanks.
I think we could all agree(or should agree anyhow) that the yeh's outnumber the neh's here. The whole reason I posted the picture is simply because it was such an awesome setting and a really nice target. These guys go way out of there way to set up some super courses. Appreciate it for what it is,not what you think it could be.
Thanks for all the response. Good Shooting,
Craig
Those are some shots that really make you concentrate, I like 'em.
easy shot,,, but you simply cannot be afraid or worried about losing arrows.
anyone who is nervous about losing or destroying a nice pretty arrow is only handicapping themselves and chances are the shot will be low on that target.
I have awesome snag built woodies that I love but when I'm shooting I have that mentality that I could care less what happens to them and I usually leave with all my arrows and a decent score or I'm satisfied with my hits.
I am sorry if I offended anyone with my opinion. I am sure it is a safe shot for practice, but I always worry that someone who is not experienced would see that shot in a practice situation and think it is ok to shoot at an animal posed like this.
Cool target. If your not breaking or losing arrows your not having fun. Use your best arrow and hit it.
Not offended at all here. Just my take on...it doesn't always look as what it is. I truly believe we all want the same thing to teach and mentor our future hunters to be safe and take ethical shots. Having everyone going home safe and happy with the shots on my courses is my goal. I also set shots quartering to but teach my 9 year old grandson this is a no-no with a bow. Don't think Monkeyball thought this picture would get so many hits but thanks buddy I like all the comments.