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Title: Self Nocks
Post by: stumpinkaiser on July 31, 2014, 11:55:00 PM
My First try at self nocks. Used a walnut hardwood insert. They fly off the string like darts, express delivery for deer only.  
 
Surewood shafts are the best.

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Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: JimB on August 01, 2014, 12:43:00 AM
I like those a lot.Great looking arrows.
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Post by: m midd on August 01, 2014, 01:18:00 AM
Very nice work.
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Post by: longstiks on August 01, 2014, 05:50:00 AM
Great job! The deer should be proud to catch one of those.
Denny
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Post by: Green on August 01, 2014, 06:36:00 AM
Exceptionally well done!
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Post by: monkeyball on August 01, 2014, 06:48:00 AM
That is a beautiful set of arrows!!!!!


                                   Good Shooting,
                                                Craig
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Tater on August 01, 2014, 06:55:00 AM
Very nice ..!
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Post by: Butchie on August 01, 2014, 07:09:00 AM
Excellent!    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 01, 2014, 09:07:00 AM
Nice reinforced self nocks, John. You will find them way more reliable that plastic nocks. I usually just make self nocks with a sinew wrap behind them but have also made reinforced self nocks(with hardwood and rawhide reinforcements)and never had a nock break. I sure can't say that about plastic nocks.
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Post by: SCATTERSHOT on August 01, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Great looking arrows. Fine job!
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Post by: nineworlds9 on August 01, 2014, 10:58:00 AM
Wow, some of the handsomest arrows I have ever seen!!
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Post by: Hawken1911 on August 01, 2014, 11:43:00 AM
Beautiful!
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Post by: Longbow917 on August 01, 2014, 11:47:00 AM
Those arrows are gorgeous....nice job!
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Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on August 01, 2014, 01:33:00 PM
My goodness those are beautiful, excellent work and well done. Is there any way we could get a few more picks maybe a closer look at the nocks too.  :thumbsup:    

Tracy
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Post by: Sockrsblur on August 01, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Very nice!!!
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Post by: BuckeyeGuy on August 02, 2014, 01:49:00 PM
Well done those are awesome!
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Post by: Mike Vines on August 02, 2014, 07:34:00 PM
Nicely done.  I do the same thing with buffalo horn...

  (http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab28/miklvines/Tradgang/1.jpg) (http://s846.photobucket.com/user/miklvines/media/Tradgang/1.jpg.html)

 (http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab28/miklvines/Tradgang/2013MLAbanquet018.jpg) (http://s846.photobucket.com/user/miklvines/media/Tradgang/2013MLAbanquet018.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 02, 2014, 10:52:00 PM
Here are a few of my self nocked and reinforced sef nocked arrows. The 2 arrows on the left are black walnut and the 2 on the right are sourwood shoot arrows. All self nocks with sinew wrap.
   (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/BWandsourwoodarrowsfor2011elkhunt002.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/BWandsourwoodarrowsfor2011elkhunt002.jpg.html)

These are cedars with rawhide reinforced self nocks with artificial sinew wrap....
   (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/spinetester006.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/spinetester006.jpg.html)

Eastern Woodland style 2 fletch with hill cane and sourwood shoot arrows. All have sinew wrapped self nocks.
   (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/forPA010.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/forPA010.jpg.html)

Ash, full tapered arrows with osage spined reinforced self nocks with sinew wrap.
   (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/taperedasharrows004.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/taperedasharrows004.jpg.html)

Two and 3 fletched hill cane arrows with sinew wrapped self nocks.
   (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/Hillcanearrows09002.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/Hillcanearrows09002.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: meathead on August 02, 2014, 11:15:00 PM
I have been making a lot of reinforced self nocks the last few years too. I really like them.  They look better and are more reliable than plastic.
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Post by: neuse on August 03, 2014, 07:38:00 AM
Do ya'll freehand the reinforced self nocks, or do you use a jig?
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 03, 2014, 08:48:00 AM
I just put a single bandsaw cut and open it as needed to fit the spline with sandpaper. That's how I make the nocks and haft stone and trade points. K.I.S.S.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Mike Vines on August 03, 2014, 01:28:00 PM
Router and a router table.
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Post by: chall on August 03, 2014, 04:31:00 PM
All of those look great !
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Post by: Sockrsblur on August 03, 2014, 10:05:00 PM
I've enjoyed yours so here are a few more... I used a double hacksaw blade, a few small files and sand paper...

(http://i.imgur.com/E3t8zme.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/0H2foSw.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/7flRPFb.jpg)
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 03, 2014, 11:11:00 PM
I like the way you relieve the shaft in front of the nock for the string. Most folks don't do that but it saves the string from abrasion.
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on August 04, 2014, 12:53:00 AM
Great looking arrows.
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Post by: Jon Stewart on August 04, 2014, 06:05:00 AM
I do the same as others on here using hardwood and horn.  I also glue bamboo skewer sticks using  titebond 111 inside my bamboo arrows.  This inside foot makes a nice strong nock.

I just use my bandsaw to cut the nock.  Quick and easy.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: hitman on August 04, 2014, 07:09:00 AM
What can I say that someone else hasn't. Beautiful arrows.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 04, 2014, 09:12:00 AM
I found that filling the void in cane arrows is not necessary so I stopped doing it for nocks or hafted heads. A sinew wrap makes it plenty strong enough.
I got the idea for rawhide splines in reinforced self nocks from Glenn Charles in "Billets to Bows". It works very well.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: gringol on August 04, 2014, 09:17:00 AM
I love self nocks, but just don't have time to make them anymore.  It's great to see such beautiful arrows being made by trad gangers.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Jon Stewart on August 04, 2014, 12:47:00 PM
Footing the nock and point end of the bamboo shaft also allows you to taper bother ends and use regular nocks and glue on hunting points.

With footed nock you don't have to sinew wrap below the cut unless you want to do so for looks.

Just a matter of personal preference.

I also sew my thread thru the feathers after they are attached.  Makes for a uniform looking feather.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 04, 2014, 01:59:00 PM
Jon, I also taper cane for glue on heads without adding the insert inside of the cane. I sinew wrap all self nocks, reinforced or not and also the forward end of the fletching. Its just the way I make arrows.    ;)
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Jon Stewart on August 04, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
I guess it is just a matter of preference.

The bamboo skewer sticks weigh nothing and I just like the idea of something solid in that hollow tube of an arrow, LOL
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Sam McMichael on August 04, 2014, 02:29:00 PM
These are attractive arrows! I have recently made a set of self nocks, but certainly they are nothing compared these. At least now I have a standard to aspire to. Good work, guys.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 04, 2014, 02:30:00 PM
Yep, to each his own. There are many ways to skin a cat.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: stumpinkaiser on August 04, 2014, 05:23:00 PM
Those Going to the WI State Trad shoot will have a chance to buy those arrows. Hopefully find a good home. Nice Arrows Mike
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: halfseminole on August 04, 2014, 05:41:00 PM
I'll have to get some pictures of my mosaic nocks I made up out of veneers-3/8" arrows are so much easier to make fun patterns with.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: meathead on August 04, 2014, 09:43:00 PM
Here are some I made for this falls hunting season.  I cut these with Ted Fry's nifty nocker.
 (http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp343/nyazel/IMG_3546_zpsdc83fb24.jpg) (http://s426.photobucket.com/user/nyazel/media/IMG_3546_zpsdc83fb24.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Sockrsblur on August 04, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
Thanks Pat! I have read so many of your posts I almost feel like a stalker. You, and many others here, are a tremendous source of knowledge. Many thanks for all your contributions sir. Over the winter I cut shoots of what I am rather sure is red oiser dogwood and wild rose. It's been a learning curve but a lot of fun. The first shafts I worked up were way to big, stiff, & heavy. This next bAtch is going to be close. I'm excited to share when I'm done.
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 05, 2014, 12:13:00 AM
Red osier and rose make very good shafting but they all need work. Its a labor of love for sure. You will probably have to work those shoots that are too big. I use a cheap thumb plane from ACE Hardware to reduce shoots when needed.
 Here are a few of the tools I use on shoot and cane arrows. The thumb plane is at the top...
 (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/arrowmakingtools001.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/arrowmakingtools001.jpg.html)

Some find a board with a "V" groove down the center is handy to hold the shaft while planning it. I made this one from scraps. It has a "stop" at the far end to hold the shaft while planning...
 (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/primitive%20archer/forpa045.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/primitive%20archer/forpa045.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Sockrsblur on August 05, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
Looks like I need more tools   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Self Nocks
Post by: Pat B on August 05, 2014, 08:33:00 AM
You can see, not a lot of $ involved.