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Title: String broke at full draw
Post by: britt on July 16, 2014, 10:39:00 AM
I was practicing the other day;I was at full draw and the string broke. Wow, what an experience. I was worried more about my bow than me. The string broke right where my arrow nocks on center serving. My bow is fine, no damage to tips or anything. I looked it over really good before I shot it again with spare string. I was gun(bow) shy for a few shots though. I even called the bowyer just to ask him what to look for if bow was effected by string breaking. He said its highly unusual that a string would break at center serving. Anybody else have string break like this? Well I am ok and so is my bow.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: BowMIke on July 16, 2014, 10:45:00 AM
I have heard of it when people use metal crimp-on nocking points. (pinches the string and has a hard edge).
I prefer to tie on a small nock point.

Glad you and your bow were not injured!
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Matty on July 16, 2014, 10:48:00 AM
That happened to me once. Yes. Same or similar spot couldn't tell exactly. Where after the fact but it was under the serving for sure.  When it happened I couldn't tell what exactly had happened. It just startled me. Bow was fine and yes. Gun shy to say the least.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: petalumapete on July 16, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
I've had that happen. I found out it was from using to much super glue to set my tied on nock.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: slowbowjoe on July 16, 2014, 11:27:00 AM
Happened to me a few months ago. Miraculously, it broke while hanging on my wall during the night, rather than when I was drawing it earlier that day.
I think it was my own fault. I had a tied nock point, either floss or sinew, either being thinner than the serving string. Tightening and then moving the tie on probably separated the serving and wore thru.
I know that glue can also do the same thing if it works into the serving/string.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: GreyGoose on July 16, 2014, 11:43:00 AM
Never had it happen, but came close one in my wheelie days.  Found it after changing the string, despite assurances from the guy at the shop that it was fine.  I change all my strings on schedule whether they (appear to ) need it or not.  Glad you're OK!
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: LBR on July 16, 2014, 11:45:00 AM
What kind of string material, how many strands, what draw length and weight, and how many shots on the string?

Several things could have caused it.  With brass nock points, it's almost always user error.  Cheap pliers that pinch rather than apply pressure all the way around (good pliers aren't cheap, but they are worth the money), too much pressure, wrong size nock set, etc.  I've used brass nocksets for 20+ years, no problems.

I'm guessing nylon serving might let super glue saturate through to the string.  Haven't seen that happen with Halo or 62XS.  Again, user error--be careful and don't put too much.

A problem with some materials can be they won't hold up to flexing at the same point over and over.  If it's a shorter bow, longer draw, heavier draw weight, and/or low strand count this just adds to the problem.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Orion on July 16, 2014, 12:13:00 PM
I agree with everything LBR said.  It's not uncommon to have the string break in the nock area.  Probably just as common as breaking in the loops.

The reasons LBR gives explain why a relatively new/good condition string might break there.  On the other hand, some folks shoot their strings too long without replacing.  All strings wear, and the string loop and nock areas receive the most wear.  If strings aren't replaced periodically, they will break.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Boomerang on July 16, 2014, 12:14:00 PM
Be very careful with using super glue for tie-on nocks. It can make plastic materials brittle.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Bjorn on July 16, 2014, 12:46:00 PM
I had it happen once too full draw-string broke-and the bow exploded; both hands were empty. A friend offered to lend me a spare bow he had brought along. I thanked him but declined, and went looking for toilet paper!   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: bamboo on July 16, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
I like the rubberized superglue--my thinking is it doesn't penetrate as much

strings breaking will leave ya clenching for sure!
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: gringol on July 16, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
It's happened to me except I had a nock failure and then the string broke.  Severe pucker factor.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: William Lyon on July 16, 2014, 10:12:00 PM
I had it happen one time. I was at full draw on a Alabama 8 pt!! Man was I sick!! Sorry it happened to you. Glad your bow is ok.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Stoutstuff on July 16, 2014, 10:26:00 PM
Britt,    I was practising in my pop up blind and had my string go at the tip loop. Ripped a hole in the roof and agree that it makes you nervous for a while.
The only thing that compares is having an arrow blow up. Looking down at your bow arm and looking for damage...   not finding any - priceless!
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Bowwild on July 17, 2014, 10:15:00 AM
A few years ago, while writing a training piece on tied on nock locators, I called BCY. They advised if super glue is applied to the knot string breakage at that point can occur. The glue soaks through the locator material, into the serving and the string strands. The makers of the bowstring material recommend glueless.

I've tied on at least a hundred such nock locators since then and have never had one, with no glue, come undone.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: FerretWYO on July 17, 2014, 10:30:00 AM
I have had strings break there as well. It is pretty scary.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: kadbow on July 17, 2014, 11:05:00 AM
Glad you and the bow are ok.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Bill Turner on July 17, 2014, 11:08:00 AM
I didn't have a break but I did have a metal nock slice through a couple of strands on my string. I caught it in time but have not used the metal nocks since that time. Glad you and your bow are OK.    :banghead:
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Caughtandhobble on July 17, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
Yep, I have had strings break in the same spot. I use tie on nocks and no super glue... Both skinny strings, two different makers. My theory is too much serving padding, instead of thicker serving material. The serving separates at the nock point, resulting in a broken string. The skinny strings that I now use all have been double served, with no problems.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: LBR on July 17, 2014, 11:29:00 AM
How could the serving separating result in the string breaking?  What am I missing here?
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Caughtandhobble on July 17, 2014, 12:33:00 PM
The serving's job is protect the string material, along with providing a proper nock fit. When the serving becomes loose the nock will wear on the string material to the point where it will break. OP stated that the string broke at the nocking point.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Stone Knife on July 17, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
:scared:
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: M60gunner on July 17, 2014, 01:46:00 PM
Guess I have been lucky. I use super glue, baby channel lock pliers and have shot my servings frayed. BUT I have had a string break (b50) where the bundle ends on a Flemish string.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: 3arrows on July 17, 2014, 04:35:00 PM
Bug spray [deet] will eat through FF strings.
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: LBR on July 17, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
Ok...you meant REALLY separating.  But there should be little to no friction on the string if there is no serving at the nock point, besides the arrow falling off.  That, and if there is THAT much wear it should be obvious well before the string breaks.

Chad
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: Caughtandhobble on July 17, 2014, 06:55:00 PM
No sir, I did not mean REALLY separating. That seems to be the problem,  it is barely detected by the shooter until it is too late.

As far as no friction on the string without serving, we'll try that with your bow and not mine, lol.

I am not a string building expert, nor have ever claimed to be. I have started making strings with the help of a few string builders on this site. Thanks guys!
Title: Re: String broke at full draw
Post by: LBR on July 17, 2014, 10:23:00 PM
Well, I have been making strings for near 20 years, and feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what I am doing.  Unless there is a huge separation, the nock cannot contact the string directly, therefore it cannot cause any wear.