Hello, well I should start by saying how I began an interest in traditional archery. Being a hunter I've seen many people use traditional bows and equiptment. I've always used modern archery gear. So I decided I wanted to try it out and didn't want to drop cash on a brand new recurve/longbow and find out I don't like it. So I looked up on YouTube how to make recurve and longbows out of pvc pipe and use heat to form limbs and what not. After I did that I came up with a #20 recurve and a #35 longbow. It only took a few shots to realize this is something I could truly excel at and enjoy shooting. The bad thing is, I have no traditional archery shops around my area. Just a gander mtn with a bear longbow and bear recurve that has been on the shelf since I moved here 9 years ago. So I went in an tried out the recurve. It was a #50 bow and I believe it was a kodiak or a grizzly. To say I fell in love with it is an understatement. #50 was smooth as silk for me to draw and it just felt great.
Now here is my question for all you experienced trad guys. I really don't want to spend $600 on a kodiak and I'm unsure of the grizzly really being worth it's $400. Maybe I'm just frugal but can someone enlighten me on a great bow with a great price? Is buying used a good idea? For all I know I could buy used and find the bow has splintered limbs by the time I get it.
I know this post was long and I do apologize for that, but I figured I could give a little background so that I may have my questions answered better.
Thanks!!
Welcome, I have bought a few used bows on this site. All where good deals. Also you might check out Rocky Mountain Speciallity Gear. Hundreds of used bows. They have a web-site. There are bowyers out there who make a custom bow for under $500.00. ie Heart Land Bows, Mad Dog and Lost Creek Bows.
My 2 cents:
First of all, WELCOME!
Instead of buying a $400 bow from Gander (overpriced in my book) take a look at the Samick Sage in 45#. You can get one for about $150 shipped. Get you some aluminum arrows and some field points and have at it. For the investment you can try a good bow and have money left over for other things later.
What's your draw length in a recurve? It'll be shorter than with compound.
Others here will have 2 cents as well. It adds up. Lots of good folk here and lots of experience. Not one person's word is gospel, but some are pretty dang close, 'cause they've been there and done that.
Ask what you need to know. We'll be glad to help.
Buying used ain't bad either. It's well worth the contributor fee here to gain access to the classifieds. Elsewhere ( like craigslist and fleabay, can offer good deals too, but do your homework and ask lots of good questions before buying. If you can shoot it first, do so, but buying from the classifieds here give a little more reassurance you'l be buying a good bow.
Again, welcome.
Bud
I owned a grizzly and found it to be a great introductory bow, I have through watching others and my own experience it is always a good idea to start small and work you way up, make sure after a hunting season or two that you truly love the sport before investing a ton of doe. I myself am die hard now and find myself thinking/reading/researching about it all the time! It is a very time consuming and takes a ton of practice, but you will love it, just start all in my humble opinion of course.
I have been shooting for a while now and have shot all ranges of bows both in cost and draw weight. From $50 to $100 and from 35# to 70#.
My advice start inexpensive and start light.
I just acquired a Samick Sage at #40 lbs. Honestly not a whole lot of difference other than asthetics compared to other bows I have shot. I would definitely think hard about following Mr. Bud's advice. I will only add that I would think seriously about getting something in the #35 range. I wish I would have, would have saved me years of chasing my tale.
Don't make the mistake a lot of people do and get their bravado from their draw weight. If you can shoot good no one will say a word about it. except on the internet.
Thanks for the help so far. With the samick, how durable are they?
I'm afraid to say "compound" cause I was told I will get banned,,, but my compound DL is 28.5". So would you guys think 27" would be my traditional DL?
As far as draw weight, I honestly had zero issues with the #50. My compound is a #74. Do you still think 35-45 would be best? I felt like I was drawing air with the #50. I'm not questioning your guys judgment, jut trying to better narrow things down.
Thanks!
I haven't heard many problems on the Sage, and if you buy from a reputable dealer (3rivers, Kustom King, Big Jim, etc.) I'm sure they'll back it up if anything ever happens.
Be honest with yourself about draw weight also. When I switched from compound to recurve, I was shooting a 70# dual-cam speed bow and bought a 50@28 Grizzly, because I thought I could handle it. Well, I could and did, but looking back I wish I would have got the 45@28 Sage or similar, since shooting form and a well placed shot trumps speed and power IMO. Over the yrs I worked my way up in weight all the way to 65@28 but have settled on 55@28 as my preferred draw weight.
Also remember, if you're drawing 27" you'll be pulling less weight than what the bow is marked. Nonetheless, my advice is buy an inexpensive bow to get started and get your form down. After a few months you can upgrade once you start figuring out what you want in a bow. Good luck.
Samick's are good and durable bows. The Sage can definitely take a beating and still perform. The great thing about the Samick Sage is you can start out with lower weight limbs and move up to heavier weight limbs when your form is down and you are ready to handle the extra draw weight.
To measure your draw length put a clothes pin on the shaft and draw to your anchor. The clothes pin will push against the riser of the bow and stop when you come to anchor.
Measure from the grove of the nock to the side of the clothes pin that was pushing against the riser. Do this a few times to double check and triple check. That will give you your draw length on a trad bow. It may very well be somewhere around 27 inches.
To start out I would definitely start with 40# to 45# to build and work on good form. However, if 50# feels really easy, like you can shoot all day and night, then go ahead and get the 50# limbs. Remember if you get the Sage with 40# or 45# limbs you can always buy heavier limbs later too. Good luck and have fun!
One other thing, my draw with a compound and a trad bow are both 28.5". My DL slowly got longer the stronger and more consistent I became. That's another reason I wish I would have started lighter....consistency is so important for accuracy.
Measuring draw length
http://youtu.be/RdV8suofTsM
How many times did you draw the 50?
Nobody knows you like you, so, if you can draw it and feel no ill effects, like shaking, after thirty or so shots, go for it! Most of us caution newcomers to underbow themselves when switching for several reasons. The first is that being overbowed will teach you a slew of bad habits. Another is that drawing and holding a trad bow is way different than doing the same with a compound.
So, you decide.
Michigan is a hotbed (can I say that here?) of traditional archery. You missed the expo in Kalamazoo this year, what a pity. But you can find bowyers in your state, and there are likely some trad shoots in the offing.
Go to a couple of trad shoots and try out all the bows that you can. Vendors will be selling new and used bows, and the insidious habit of a new-to-you bow shooting like magic gets a lot of them sold. People who are shooting at the butts, and love their bows, will likely want you to share in their excitement over what they have found. Take them up on their offer to try the bow. Ask, if need be, some of us are dense. :knothead:
It would be good to go to a shoot with your own arrows, if possible. Some would say that I am putting the cart before the horse, but arrows in your expected spine range in your pocket makes me more likely to offer you my bow for a tryout. You won't be losing or breaking my dwindling stock. :D
Killdeer :campfire:
Welcome to the trad world. You have been getting some good advice, so you will soon be on your way. Have fun!
I really appreciate the help here guys. If there is more to add please do, I can only soak in the knowledge that is presented to me. So the more the better!!
Thanks!
I will also add that your style of shooting may change as you figure out how you want to shoot. Some people are pure instinctive and barely hold the weight of the bow back for more than a couple of seconds, some people do better by settling on their anchor for a few seconds. A lighter bow will let you experiment with these different styles to see what suits you best.
Eventually you can shoot whatever weight you want. If 80lbs floats your boat then there ya go. But work up to it. Look at the thread about 40-45# harvest pics to get an idea of what these bows can do. By starting there and working up you ain't limiting yourself at all.
Caleb, check out Jays in Clare they have quite a few longbows and recurves as well as supplies. Also, this weekend in Harrison is the Michigan Bow Hunters Association Rendezvous. There will be a lot of Traditional shooters there who would be more than welcome to help you out.
I'm only about 2 hrs from jays. I didn't even think to check there! Thanks! I go up to Gladwin to do my hunting so I can stop there, it's about 30 minutes from there.
Caleb,
If you are from Gladwin, I would second the Jay's suggestion. They have one guy in particular that is very knowledgeable about traditional archery.
I have a place in Harrison and my brother lives up there too. The Harrison Sportsman's club has a fairly active traditional group. They even have an indoor winter league and summer outdoor 3D group that shoots together.
You also have a good bowyer in Coleman, Firefly bows.
D.P.
Caleb, if you don't mind me asking, what part of the state you from?
I'm originally from Missouri, but I now live in Swartz creek. Not far from flint. I have family and friends up in Gladwin so I frequent there often. I hardly go to the archery section while I'm at jays because I have a pro shop out in holly that sets up my compound. So I overlooked jays and boy am I glad you brought it up!
Welcome to the Gang!
Bisch
Thank you sir
Welcome!!!
Much appreciated!
Welcome! Lots of great advice so far, I see.
I can't add anything that isn't already covered so I wish you well.
Welcome :campfire:
You're going to have a lot of fun along with a million questions.
Don't be afraid to ask them.
I've learned so much here it's amazing.
Good folks here and they are willing to help and share info.
Welcome to the Gang.
Welcome to the gang. You can learn a lot here. You can get some great info on youtube too. Feel free to contact the bowyers on this website under sponsors page. They can answer your questions. Use all these tools and you will end up with the right bow for you and not go through buyers remorse.
What a warm welcome! Can't say I've found this on any other forum. Thanks for the welcomes! Asking sponsoring bowyers was a great idea, thank you.
Welcome..
You have found the right place to be....
We have plenty of people from your state....That will be willing to help....Go to some shoots and enjoy.
*update!
I'm finally back up north and I'm headed to Jays in the morning. Gonna try recurves and longbows to decide which suits me best. If its longbows, I'm gonna email Mike Mecredy and see what he can do for me. If recurves fit me better I will try the sage until I can afford one of Mike Mecredy's recurves.
Will let you know when I get back from jays.
Take care everyone!
Caleb
Welcome
Jays has a good selection of bows. I live right around the corner from you in Houghton lake. Give me a call if you need any help or questions.
Wow, I think a lot of guys here think you live up in Gladwin Michigan. If you live in Swartz Creek you've got lots of other stuff going on closer to home. Sorry I didn't see this topic when it first went up to say hello and welcome then!
Best way to switch over is to get to know some folks and go do some shooting. Elm Hall is coming up and you could meet a bunch of trad gang folks there. Here is the flier ELM HALL (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=94;t=003287)
After Elm Hall the longbow group holds the Great Lakes Longbow Invitational. Even if you buy a recurve you could show up to shop the vendors and try out some bows from some of the best bowyers around. GLLI event page. (http://www.michiganlongbow.org/great-lakes-longbow-invitational/) We just ask adults not to shoot recurves on the courses or in the contests. We can try to find you a loaner longbow if we know which hand and weight to look for.
Also over by Flint you've got a bunch of shooters and Land O Lakes Bowmen. Trad Gang will get you on the right track with everything, but sometimes it's nice to have someone check out your string or arrow setup. Let me know if you want me to ask around with some guys I know over that way to see if they'd want to meet up at one range or another.
Hey Killie, it's very safe to say Michigan is a hotbed!
Thom
I want to welcome you.
My 2 cents is.... I have shot a lot of custom bows but still gravitate to old bear Bows most of the time. My 3 favorites right now are from 1965, 1969 and 1960. Other old bows are good too, like Damon Howatt and Browning to name a few.
There are so many options out there. you have received good advice. Find out what works for you, have fun. Ask questions, and use our search function.
Most of all keep it fun.
Welcome from Kentucky!
Thanks everyone!!!l wealth of knowledge here and good folks! and lb hntr pm me your number and if I need something or have any questions ill shoot you a txt or something.
Check out the new topic I posted for an update. It's labeled "Went to Jays!!". Will explain what I'm doing next to get started in that topic.
Sticksnstones--- I'd love to come out but I any make those dates. Hopefully I can have a bow of my own ready for some fall shoots
^* I meant "can't" make those dates. Not "any"
No problem. The last shoot I know of each year is the Fred Bear Memorial Broadhead Shoot. Looks like Sept 13th in Fenton according to the MBH website. MBH calendar. (http://www.michiganbowhunters.com/calendar) After that it's all about hunting. Check the Michigan Longbow Association section here on Trad Gang if you want to get details about the 9 day hunt on the Mason Tract up in Grayling. It'll be a good chance to meet a bunch of good guys!
BTW, my first custom bow was a 42# 64" RD Maddog longbow, it was a great place to get restarted in traditional archery! Mike is a top shelf guy for sure, be sure to post pictures when it comes in.
Thom
Ok thank you Thom, I didn't even know there was a mla section on here. Will check it out and will for sure post pics of the bow.
Take care
Caleb
welcome from the thumb of michigan :wavey: :wavey:
Thanks!