Trail cams and compounds fit in the same category and I see nothing Trad about them.
Are we to the place that simply knowing there are deer or whatever game we seek in the area but we need to know how big, how many, how symmetrical the rack before we are ready for the hunt?
Trad is about real hunting,by real hunters, using real skills.
There I'm done.
And I feel better now.
I enjoy seeing all the critters that I'm not always available to see in person, bucks,does,fawns,cats,yotes,etc.
As far as the cams helping me hunt, not really. I take em down before season and never miss em because I try to schedule time for me to actually be there then.
To each his own, and I also feel better. :) :wavey:
I think you have a very narrow view of life , hunting , and what traditonal is . Just where would you draw the line . All wood bow , no modern glues ,would arrows , with self knocks . Been there done that . Carbon limbs , carbon arrows . Been there done that. It is all traditonal . What matters to me is it is just plain FUN playing with game cameras .
May life's simplest things bring you the greatest pleasures !!
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Before trail cameras I use to spend a lot of summer evenings hidden in the corners of fields with an expensive camera, zoom lenses, and bogen tripod. I loved it. Today I don't take the time to do that but I do enjoy my cameras it's simple fun to me. There is plenty of room for us all in the woods brother..
Wow! Thats a pretty strong statement. I love my cams. Got a bunch. I love taking pics of coyotes, turkeys, fawns, etc. Im probably more trad than you are.
RR: That train's already left. Just like the adoption of most other technologies related to hunting. Just another tool, don't you know. My guess is more than half the folks on this site use trail cams. Camera fitted drones are the next technology to be widely adopted, unless the FAA or game departments get ahead of it, but they're already behind.
I draw my line in the sand at trail cams, ATVs, baiting, foot plots and a few other things. But, I'm in the minority, certainly a dying breed. Whatever floats your boat. :dunno:
If you get your panties in a bunch over a trail camera then I want to know what you think about Obama care?
anything except buckskin panties while hunting is not trad either.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rifle River Scout:
Trail cams and compounds fit in the same category and I see nothing Trad about them.
Are we to the place that simply knowing there are deer or whatever game we seek in the area but we need to know how big, how many, how symmetrical the rack before we are ready for the hunt?
Trad is about real hunting,by real hunters, using real skills.
There I'm done.
And I feel better now.
If you don't like them, don't use them.
I for one think trail cameras are a wonderful tool for bowhunters. Carbon arrows are awesome.
Grunt tubes are also great hunting tools. Fast flight string is another giant leap forward for bows. Fletch tite is great too.
I used my sportsman 500 to pull my buck back to the house and I was very grateful for it.
I'm sure Indians wish they had these tools.
The list goes on and on.
QuoteOriginally posted by Mike Gerardi:
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trail cams don't kill game........BUT I DO.
I'm a lot better at getting pics with trail cams than I am at killing deer. Haven't killed a buck for two years with my bow and thats probably 80 days of hunting. Just cause you get a picture of a buck definitely doesn't mean you will put your tag on it. Plus I have a few bucks I see but never get pictures of. The really frustrating thing is you will see them a hundred yards from your camera and you still can't get a pic of them.
Rolltide hunter, I don't wear panties, I hope your not offended.
Bowmarks, I have no idea what your reference is to my handle but I grew up on the Rifle River and became a scout 50 years ago. My handle fits where ever I am.
Some of you need to look up the definition of Traditional. Webster should do.
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I like my trail cams. They are fun and add an element of "hunting" year round. I love seeing pictures of different stuff.
Just because I have a camera set up on a farm, doesn't mean I will hunt that farm this year.
trail cameras have been around since the 50's. just mostly home made jobs. Whats not traditional about that? Its Older than all my bear vintage bows.
I feel better also.
Far be it from someone else telling me if I'm "traditional" or not. Last I checked we all use recurves and/or longbows right? Just another way to cut other people down.
Yup, I use a trail camera. I love it. Thinks it's the bees knees seeing some things I've never seen in the wild and love watching bucks grow from spring to fall. Do I use it to improve my hunting chances? Nope, just for year round fun.
In 50 years it will be traditional to use trail cams .... in the mean time I'll just have fun with mine... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by Rifle River Scout:
Trad is about real hunting,by real hunters, using real skills.
There I'm done.
And I feel better now.
I often wondered exactly what Trad was.
Never new just because I shoot a recurve I am a real hunter. I shoot recurves and long bows for the love of shooting not hunting. I started real young.Use to go in the woods and cut down saplings and string them up and shoot wood arrows my dad bought me. Never heard the word trad or traditional years ago when I started hunting with one maybe because I was the only one I new that hunted with one. May get some trail cams. Would save on gas on all the scouting trips I make.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rifle River Scout:
Rolltide hunter, I don't wear panties, I hope your not offended.
Bowmarks, I have no idea what your reference is to my handle but I grew up on the Rifle River and became a scout 50 years ago. My handle fits where ever I am.
Some of you need to look up the definition of Traditional. Webster should do.
Relax bud this is a fine forum with lots of great people and opinions are like..... Do so in a nice manner
I guess I'm not trad enough. :eek: Do you think Fred Bear would be using them if they were around then? I know a lot of big name trad guys use them, the Wensels for one or should have said two. :biglaugh:
I'm glad everyone feels better. I'm gonna drop in my 2 cents tho its not needed. I do see how the technology of trail cams could go against the grain of "trad hunting". But I have two young daughters ages 2 and 4. I have an extremely demanding work schedule. My trail cameras have allowed me to introduce my girls to wildlife when my work schedule has got in the way. I document and keep track of the photos taken and enjoy it greatly. I still make it to the woods as often as I can and when it works out I take the girls along. Do I make it all about inches and hunting nope. Do I get excited about getting a picture of animals absolutely. I appreciate threads like this as debate is healthy. But I don't like the lines drawn in the sand. To each there own. I come to trad gang because I find people who enjoy shooting and hunting with the same kind of weapons I do. As far as what kind of horse they rode to this campfire really makes me no difference.
Hey,
Were all entitled to our own opinions,some of us come off a little stronger than others, no ones way has to be "the way".
My "trail cam" is usually always hanging around my neck/shoulder, especially when I am on a "trail".
Nice thing about mine is I can carry it in the car with me also, just in case I see a nice buck. Just last week about 10:30 in the a.m.
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Some like trail cams, and some don't. Some consider them non-traditional, and some don't care. Either way, nobody should pass judgment on an opposing point of view. In its essence, a trail cam is a scouting tool. In its broader use it is an entertaining way to view wildlife when you can't be on scene. It is just not worth arguing over.
I like to use trail camera to photograph wildlife.For the most part,they don't help a lot in taking game.You have to know where the animal is traveling,in order to set up the camera in the first place.After that,mornings and evenings are the best times.I learned that 50 years ago-before trad.Because you see,the use of the term traditional,to describe what we do,came after the compound.Before that,we were archers and bowhunters.Nobody was trad.And of course,we are discussing it on smart phones and computers via the internet.That's some high tech stuff right there!
I shoot what are called traditional bows. Don't really care if that makes me "trad" or not.
I do care tremendously about hunting ethically, and I have no problem using trail cameras within the limits of fair chase. I don't see that they have ever given me an unfair advantage over the game I pursue. I don't use them that way, although I do suppose that there could be some who might try.
My suspicion is that those who are most opposed to trail cameras have never used one. The arguements against them are more theory than reality. Kind of like arguing that using scent lock clothing gives the hunter an unfair advantage. :rolleyes: Wise hunters know that should also be taken with a grain of salt ;)
Gentlemen, I love you guys and I repent and retract my original statement.
good grief
I've been using them and I have to admit that I often feel like maybe I shouldn't be. I go back and forth on it. The one thing that concerns me is that I feel as the technology increases they may very we'll get to a point where they have gone too far. Time will tell.
I just started using them this year after I purchased my own piece of whitetail ground. I am having a ball. I have great pictures of coyotes, turkeys, bear, doe, fawns and a couple nice bucks. It is giving me a great idea of what I have to work with. I hunt with my recurves and longbows and am comfortable with where I am as an ethical hunter, but the cameras are an entertaining tool to me. I still have to scout the areas to see where to put them. I am learning by the trip. Great fun.
D.P.
Dear Mr. trail cam thread starter(aka Mr. "more trad than though"), you ain't makin' many friends here with that type of elitist attitude, bro.
How 'bout you tell us what bow you shoot, what type of cane arrows you shoot with it, what stone points are sinewed onto them, what kind of moccasins you wear, what type of horse you ride, and what herb you been smokin' in that peace pipe of yours? And then we'll all decide just how much trad you are.
I have actually learned several things from my post .1. That many of you use trail cams for fun.
2. That some use them to have more family time.
3. That some take them down before season.
4. Many see trad as the bow typed used and put no more significance on trad than that.
5. Some view Trad as touching the over all experience which would exclude the ideas of modern or new.
6. My personal bend therefore lead me to think that a trad site should exclude that which is modern or new.
7. Thank you for your impute, I have been schooled.
I had to post using Jay Bow, which is not mine because for what ever reason I can no longer pull up Rifle River Scout.
I bid you all a fond farewell.
You raise a very good point in that we need to be careful how we use technology like cameras.
Every year I get more interested in primitive things and less in new technology but you have to draw the line somewhere and accept some things.
In the purest sense is driving a modern truck to your hunting spot, heating your house or putting your deer meat in a deep freezer or not making your own bow and arrows traditional? Think about it; you typed your point of view using a "magic computing box" via this new technology called the internet. Original Trad guys did not have that.(understand your point and just giving you a hard time, no problems) ;)
Simple. Trail cams are fun, something to do in summer and with kids, make cool pics to post up in hunting lodge or tell stories to with hunting buddies, lets you see if a buck you saw made it through the winter, survey buck to doe ratios, see if you got lots of coyotes around, see if have a hurt or diseased dear around, spot trespassers, fills your dreams, etc.
To each their own...Now crossbows, that is the devils technology, not cameras! :thumbsup:
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